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Quote Originally Posted by محمد سني 1989 View Post
Clearly you haven't since your response was based on explaining that the phrase hebrew literuture which pulpit used could have reffered to non OT documents like talmud , midrash or the apocryphatic texts , which is not true at all since its within the context of explaining the passage , pulpit used it to refer to the OT
No.. Sorry, it it is you who is wrong. My response was not based on the phrase regarding Hebrew literature, I simply mentioned in passing the fact that not all early Jewish literature was considered divine in nature. As Jeremiah 8:8 is dealing with the OT, then obviously the text in question is divine. You would do well to read up on the context of Jeremiah and who and what he is addressing. If you read more of pulpit commentary instead of just skimming off what you thought suited your purpose then you would have had a clearer picture. Please read below and bear in mind the example I gave you... If I myself interpreted a verse from my church Bible and changed it from the original meaning..

Before his death, Moses wrote 13 Torah Scrolls. Twelve of these were distributed to each of the 12 Tribes. The 13th was placed in the Ark of the Covenant (with the Tablets). If anyone would come and attempt to rewrite or falsify the Torah, the one in the Ark would “testify” against him. (Likewise, if he had access to the scroll in the Ark and tried to falsify it, the distributed copies would “testify” against him.)

Based on the methodology above how do you suppose the scribes were able to corrupt the words of the Torah without such a deception being discovered? It seems far more likely that the dishonest scribes Jeremiah talks of here were guilty of ignoring the law in the Torah and teaching the people their own false interpretations. Subsequent prophets taught from the Torah, Jesus Himself taught from the Torah and said He had come to fulfil its laws. Do you think they were ignorant of the Torah Law being corrupted? You must decide if the lying scribes were greater than the prophets who followed them, the prophets who were guided by God... In whom I would place my faith that they would know truth from falsehood. Unless you are claiming all subsequent prophets after Jeremiah and also the Lord Jesus were complicit and knowingly taught from a corrupt Torah. I do hope you do not believe such a scenario!!

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WRONG pandora!!!!! WRONG

Either you have ignored my response or just quickly skimmed to it , I have already mentioned two other examples relating to the OT
more importantly you said the bible so need to play such games
I do wish you would stop with the shouting and such bold statements that I am always wrong in whatever I say.. For sure the law of averages I must surely get something right sometimes!!!! You have consistently demonstrated IMHO a lack of knowledge in Christianity yet you behave as if you're some kind of expert. Friend... Arrogance is not becoming, I feel it is you who skim over my posts because you evidently don't understand what I say. Believe me I read your replies intently.. Usually more than once in order to be clear what point you are making, because it may be clear to you.. But not always as clear to me. Honestly.. I am not playing games here.


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WRONG!!! .....AGAIN pandora

Yet again you have proved to everybody that you are avoiding admitting the truth and trying to twist and manipulate the basic understanding

The christian commentray sources which I have cited are just two examples of CHRISTIAN INTERPRITATION , which all have the same opinion about the passage , the fact that a christian author of an article ON A MUSLIM-CHRISTIAN DEBATE website would defer shows either a personal opinion to avoid admitting what the muslim claim or just simply being dishonest !!!!

So again you are trying to avoid the bias in the article you copied and pasted by holding on to the technicality that all articles and books are bias!!!!!
honestly.. What is this truth I am avoiding? I stated unequivocally that the article I posted on Jeremiah 8 and the articles you posted from pulpit commentary and Gills Bible etc.. Were for all intents and purposes in agreement. It is YOU who seem unable to see that. And please don't you ever imply that I am being dishonest!! It's bad enough being shouted at, having to read bad language and being called mistress without my honesty and integrity being called into question. Am I in dialogue with adults here or are you children??? If you do not see the context of author bias when it comes to works of literature then I am not sure where to go from here.

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BTW I already cited many jewish and christian sources which shows that the prophet and his followers were from Ishmael here:

http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t200780.html
jolly good.


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Tell that to yourself

peace
Right.. I will.

Peace unto you.