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God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


Numbers 23: 19

Your use of this passage thus only serves to show your misunderstanding. Read the text carefully.

3 – To be a man is not the same as to become a man. God became a man (John 1: 1, 14), not is a man. In the Old Testament, He took a form of a man [Genesis 18], not became a man. Furthermore, if we examine Numbers 23:19 closely, we will see that God is comparing Himself with men’s behavior (they lie, they change their mind, they can destroy the people that anger them), not being. It does not say or imply anywhere in this text that God could not take the form of a man if God so wished to do so. For we know anything is possible with God.


Numbers 23:19 says, “God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a human being that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it?”


God is not a man, in a sense that:


1 - He cannot lie like men do (which I can see you may have difficulty understanding since Allah is the greatest deceiver according to Surah 3:54)


2 - He does not change His mind like men do (Again, Allah can change his mind any time he wants according to Surah 2:106, so maybe that’s why Muslims cannot understand this).


3 - God does keeps His promises.. Unlike men who constantly break theirs, even to God! Yet God still shows His mercy to those undeserving.




well.. You should know.

Peace

Pandora first of you need to know the rules in debating in this blog:

1. You are not allowed to keep altering the subject of the debate in each response

2. You are not allowed to throw accusations without proof , accusations that has nothing to do with the subject of discussion

3. You are not allowed to fill the blog pages with responses that have no meaning in a sense that it is not related to the topic of discussion

Points 1. , 2., 3. , of your understanding of god violates the rules of the blog

HOWEVER I will answer the absured accusations and mistinterpritation of the verses of the quran , BUT it will be short

First the deceivement : God in all these verses deceives inly those infidels who are tryung to deceive the prophets of god or the believers and who are attacking them like pharoh and his soccerres or when pharoh attacked the israelites and god saved them by splitting the red sea . God in simple terms plots against those who plot against him and his prophets : from the same verse you stated 3:54
And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.
verse within the context :

But when Isa perceived unbelief on their part, he said who will be my helpers in Allah's way? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah: We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones.

Our Lord! We believe in what Thou hast revealed and we follow the apostle, so write us down with those who bear witness.

And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners. (Surah Ale-Imran 3:52-54)

There are many other verses but the point is the same , the decivement is against those who are plotting to deceive against the believers and the prophets of god. Deceivement here is planning.

Deceivement in the bible :

Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul. (Jeremiah 4:10)

God deceiving prophets !!!!:

And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. (Ezekiel 14:9)


These were examples from your bible

As for changing mind , where in the world does the verse say that ???:

We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?

verse 2: 106


clearly you do not know the difference between arbitration and changing mind


you should read your own bible :


And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.


Exodus 32: 14


And we have already spoke about this passage before


Now to the ACTUAL TOPIC :

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1. Jesus as belived by christians to be god is actually reffered to in the NT as the son of man :
58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Luke 9:58


For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.


Matthew 18:11

Yet I know what you will say which is that this is just a metaphore not to be taken literal , and

the passage in numbers was talking about a god that do not repent

This can be simply answered by that the context does not serve such interpritations :

God distintively denied that he was man first :
God is not a man, that he should lie

Meaning God cannot lie because he is not a man , All men lie

not in a sense rather literally because if the passage is what you said then it should be

something like this :

God does not lie like all men or god is not a man who lies


So asside from god shaping as a man in the OT (although we muslims and some jews do not

belive that ) , God in the passage is clearly denying that he is not man nor a son of man