the Bible VS the holy Qura'n

[محمد سني 1989]

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For the love of Ada...what do you want from me!!!! I am starting to think you are playing some kind of game here. You have avoided all questions asked of you, yet demand all your questions are addressed. When I try my utmost to give you an answer.. You don't like it or disagree with it.. Which quite frankly my face isn't bothered about.. Ok.. May hap I waffle on but hey that's me.. If you don't like it then don't engage in dialogue.

I read Burninglights answers which are concise and to the point..... But you don't like his answers either! He has addressed your points and given great detail, all of which you brush off with distain. You seem to think your answers and posts are clear but really they are not, at least I don't find them so. You accuse others of going off topic and prevaricating when you are clearly a master at this. It seems like you are attaching blame to us because you do not like the answers we give to your questions, when you yourself keep introducing so many aspects into one post it's sometimes not even clear to see a connection between them let alone what they have to do with the topic in hand.

It's sad to say there is an underlying nastiness to this forum and it's treatment of its non Muslim members, that we are to be kept at a disadvantage in regards to posting. Is this how you wish to be seen and understood?

I shall be away for awhile, so may not be able to contribute. Please may I ask Could you choose A question out of the many you claim have not been answered.. That's ONE question, keep it clear what you mean by your chosen question and what aspect would you like answering. Please ... Do not add numerous bullet points from 1 to 10 .. 12.. 14 or whatever. I will try to the best of my ability to answer it. Or we can draw a line and move on.. In which case I wish you well in your endeavours. Your choice.

Peace.

The response you quoted was not for you but for burninglight, which his answers does not containrelevance to the topic , no sense at all , which is AGAINST the rules of the blogg . Not to mention the ignoring of my responses and slanderous accusation from him against me , his logic in many occasions was : I believe in this so it is true or I know what you don't know , at the end he can't answer !!!! This is not how a debate work my friends

peace

[Burninglight]

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The response you quoted was not for you but for burninglight, which his answers does not containrelevance to the topic , no sense at all , which is AGAINST the rules of the blogg . Not to mention the ignoring of my responses and slanderous accusation from him against me , his logic in many occasions was : I believe in this so it is true or I know what you don't know , at the end he can't answer !!!! This is not how a debate work my friends

peace

I have made no slanderous accusation against you personally, I have given answers to your questions and some are not getting posted. The moderators may feel you need this advantage or they are looking for the best way to respond. If they have no answer, it could be they don't post it to help you make and keep your point. It is obvious that we Christians are being treated as second class citizens here. Like Jesus said, "If you do this in a green tree; what would you do in a dry one?" Sharia law would be the dry tree. I shutter to think how Christians and Jews would be treated in Sharia. I'll say this, you strike me as a moderate Muslim, but if you think radical Islam is going let you be moderate, you have another thing coming. You will be lump in with the Jews and Christians receiving a one way ticket back to the 7th century. I am doing all I can to see to it we don't get those tickets.
peace

[محمد سني 1989]

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I have made no slanderous accusation against you personally, I have given answers to your questions and some are not getting posted. The moderators may feel you need this advantage or they are looking for the best way to respond. If they have no answer, it could be they don't post it to help you make and keep your point. It is obvious that we Christians are being treated as second class citizens here. Like Jesus said, "If you do this in a green tree; what would you do in a dry one?" Sharia law would be the dry tree. I shutter to think how Christians and Jews would be treated in Sharia. I'll say this, you strike me as a moderate Muslim, but if you think radical Islam is going let you be moderate, you have another thing coming. You will be lump in with the Jews and Christians receiving a one way ticket back to the 7th century. I am doing all I can to see to it we don't get those tickets.
peace

You did accuse me of lying when it came to the actual translation of a third of three

You did not answer my questions rather diverted to another topic

However as for sharia law : are you making your statements based on reading history of how jews and christians were treated honorably during the rashidun , ummayad and Abbasid caliphate or based on what certain misinformed so called muslims in Iraq are doing ????

Because if it is the second then I can simply judge a christian rule based on the crusades , the inquesitions , the persecution of jews in Europe or at least the interfaith secterian war in medieval Europe !!!

peace

[Burninglight]

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You did accuse me of lying when it came to the actual translation of a third of three

You did not answer my questions rather diverted to another topic

However as for sharia law : are you making your statements based on reading history of how jews and christians were treated honorably during the rashidun , ummayad and Abbasid caliphate or based on what certain misinformed so called muslims in Iraq are doing ????

Because if it is the second then I can simply judge a christian rule based on the crusades , the inquesitions , the persecution of jews in Europe or at least the interfaith secterian war in medieval Europe !!!

peace

You are the one slandering me, by falsely accusing me of slandering you or any Muslim. I never called you a liar. Give the quote. You would have quote me if what you say is true. If I say what you say is not true, that is not calling you a liar. It just means you didn't make a true statement about the Quran and its meaning being "a third." You seem to be bent on bringing negative attention on me which I don't appreciate.

Let's call a spade a spade here. The Quran says "the third of three" That is clearly different from a third; besides, as I mentioned, even if you were correct, and it meant "a third" which of course you are NOT, it would still be a discrepancy, because no Biblical Christian or nominal Catholic Christians ever considered the father or Allah one third of a whole. Never is this true ever!!!!! God is God, and He is whole, and He doesn't come in halves or thirds, LOL. He doesn't share His glory with another, and He has no partners or associates nor do we have to mention any messenger with Him in some type of a Christian Shahada which doesn't exist for us People of the Book!

All I need is one, only one, not two, or three discrepancies in the Quran to prove to me personally that it is not dictated from My one Lord, God and Creator. If you are happy with the discrepancy, that is your business. I am not going slander you over it. You are loved or I wouldn't be in dialogue with you.

The Quran will lose if it VS the Bible. Especially when it obviously imperfectly borrowing from it as I have demonstrated with one example on the virgin birth of Jesus only found in the NT Bible. Not even the Jews accept this story, and there is no common source where it could be found. I see Islam as borrowing from Christianity and twisting the meaning of Scripture blaming us for it only to push Islam on people and many cannot see this or want to see it nor do they want to be confused with the facts as you appear to be doing, but you rather accuse me of what you are really doing and Pandora sees it as well. Repent as Jesus would say, and she Him for who He is so you can live and not die in you sin not Adam's sin.

Peace

[محمد سني 1989]

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Let's call a spade a spade here. The Quran says "the third of three" That is clearly different from a third; besides, as I mentioned, even if you were correct, and it meant "a third" which of course you are NOT, it would still be a discrepancy, because no Biblical Christian or nominal Catholic Christians ever considered the father or Allah one third of a whole. Never is this true ever!!!!! God is God, and He is whole, and He doesn't come in halves or thirds, LOL. He doesn't share His glory with another, and He has no partners or associates nor do we have to mention any messenger with Him in some type of a Christian Shahada which doesn't exist for us People of the Book!

All I need is one, only one, not two, or three discrepancies in the Quran to prove to me personally that it is not dictated from My one Lord, God and Creator. If you are happy with the discrepancy, that is your business. I am not going slander you over it. You are loved or I wouldn't be in dialogue with you.

The Quran will lose if it VS the Bible. Especially when it obviously imperfectly borrowing from it as I have demonstrated with one example on the virgin birth of Jesus only found in the NT Bible. Not even the Jews accept this story, and there is no common source where it could be found. I see Islam as borrowing from Christianity and twisting the meaning of Scripture blaming us for it only to push Islam on people and many cannot see this or want to see it nor do they want to be confused with the facts as you appear to be doing, but you rather accuse me of what you are really doing and Pandora sees it as well. Repent as Jesus would say, and she Him for who He is so you can live and not die in you sin not Adam's sin.

Peace

Again you are getting into false conclusions , I will repeat my latest response to this whole third thing :

a third of three= ثالث ثلاثة , the third of three = ثالث الثلاثة the letters ال in arabic means the which does NOT exist so unless you know how to respond to this part then you are just trying to force your own false claims

You clearly do not understand the text , a third of three means part of a three or trinitarian element , All christians today belive in trinity the father , the son , the holy ghost so why is it so hard for you to get that. You are interpriting the text in a strange way which does not agree with the text , the interpritation and the context . You obviously do not know much about trinity then !!!! if you deny that trinity is made of three parts or three elements then you are seriously delusional!!!!


Unlike your multiple variations and dispcrepancies in the bible , the quran has none. As for the virgin birth which I have answersred before and you have proved none as the reader knows, you still do not know the difference between replacement and corruption of texts which I have explained many times proving once again that you are ignoring my responses

You are twisting the facts , never once the bible mentioned trinity, your priests have twisted the meaning of the bible in order to force their own understanding of Jesus into the minds of others , they have deleted , added and paraphrased certain texts as I have proved before claming it is ok as long as it does not hurt the central message !!!! although it actually did.


Come back to the truth to reality , trinity does NOT exist it is PAGAN practice , Jesus did not preach for trinity , jesus preached for one god :
Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.
Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?


John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"?


John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?


"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."



Open your eyes and repent to god , return to what jesus preached : monotheism

[محمد سني 1989]

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You are twisting the facts , never once the bible mentioned trinity, your priests have twisted the meaning of the bible in order to force their own understanding of Jesus into the minds of others , they have deleted , added and paraphrased certain texts as I have proved before claming it is ok as long as it does not hurt the central message !!!! although it actually did and you know it


Come back to the truth to reality , trinity does NOT exist it is PAGAN practice , Jesus did not preach for trinity , jesus preached for one god :
Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.
Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?


John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"?


John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?


"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."



Open your eyes and repent to god , return to what jesus preached : monotheism

A reminder




BTW Your last 12 comments which in them you hoped to retaliate against the rules of the thread and blogg contained NOTHING in relation to the topic of discussion most of it was a diversion , ignoring my responses and as usual the immotional crocodile tear strategy .

Covering your losses and dispare by such tactics proves to me and to the reader that you simply know nothing

Good luck in your next of the topic , crocodile tear response

[Burninglight]

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A reminder

BTW Your last 12 comments which in them you hoped to retaliate against the rules of the thread and blogg contained NOTHING in relation to the topic of discussion most of it was a diversion , ignoring my responses and as usual the immotional crocodile tear strategy .

Covering your losses and dispare by such tactics proves to me and to the reader that you simply know nothing

Good luck in your next of the topic , crocodile tear response

Crocodile tears? LOL, well, Excuse us crocks among you Alligators. The truth is everyone knows something and everyone is ignorant about some things. There is a cure for ignorance, but not for willful ignorance. Your comment here about me knowing nothing is obviously not a true statement. IOW, it is a lie.
Are you going to accuse of insulting you for this too? If what I say is true, and it is, it is not an insult, but what you said about me is a lie and an insult. The proof is in the post right here.
I take it that is your strategy when you cannot gainsay the OP. But what is apparent here is that if you don't speak truth about a person, what untruths are you speaking about your religion and Christianity? It begs this question. I am sure you will continue crying to the mods to put more and more restriction on the minority of Christians here. What kind of tears would you call that?

Peace