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I totally agree with you that the virgin birth can't be a proof that Jesus Pbuh is God
It doesn't disprove it either.
It surely disproves it.
I can't imaging that a man who is coming to the world through the genital organs of a woman is God. I really don't understand how can you believe this ?
I can't imagine that a man who eats, drinks, defecates and urinates is God. Do you see that it's logic to believe that God was a man who used to defecate and urinate?
I can't imagine that a man who has a sexual desire is God. I can't believe that a man who used - as all men- to have erections and wet dreams is God. How on earth can you believe this?
God is great. Nothing is like him. Glory be to God.
Moreover, as mentioned before this man used to worship God, and said that the Father is his God, and said that he doesn't know when is judgement day. Yet, you think he is God !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And then if I say that you are kidding, you will tell me that I am trying to be evasive. Ok, I won't say that you are kidding, but I'm really sorry to say that your claim here is ridiculous.
You are claiming that the virgin birth is not a sign of the power of God because every birth shows the power of God !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Surely, every birth shows the power of God, however the virgin birth specifically shows that God can break the physical and biological rules and can do whatever he wants to do. According to biology, man must have a father and a mother, God broke this rule and created Jesus from a female only, so this is a miracle that shows the power of God.
No, I didn't say it doesn't show the power of God; I said it is not the reason for His virgin birth. If you believe this imperfectly borrowed story from the NT Bible was just to show the power of God, you missed the point of your eternal salvation.
Well, this is what you think, but how can you prove this to me or anyone who is not a christian?
You have no evidence.
According to us the virgin birth is a sign of the power of God, it doesn't show that Jesus Pbuh is God or the son of God and it doesn't show that he was born without a sinful nature to die instead of us for our sins.

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"David said surely I was sinful at birth.... in sin did my mother conceive me"
I never said we inherit sin. I said we inherit a sinful nature. The sin we commit belongs to us not Adam. Jesus came to set us free from being slaves to sin otherwise there is no freedom. "Whom the son sets free is free indeed."
Let's suppose that we inherit a sinful nature.
Why didn't Jesus Pbuh inherit it from his mother?
He could it inherit it from both his father and mother or from his mother only. Maybe, he has a father and a mother, yet he doesn't inherit the sinful nature.
It seems that you think that sinful nature is a gene that is only inherited from the father.
What is the relation between having no father and the inheritance of sinful nature?
NOTHING, this is even not logic, but you see it logic just because this is what was told to you since you were a kid
But if you speak to someone who is not a christian, he will see that what you say is not logic

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As mentioned before several times, the concepts in John 1 are just plagarized from Philo, and you have completely neglected this point and didn't address it and you are just again speaking about John 1.
You mean it was plagiarized like the virgin birth story was from the NT Bible? Just because Islam's messenger couldn't read and write doesn't mean he wasn't exposed to oral tradition regarding the gospel.
Actually this ridiculous response, shows me how weak your faith is, you can't defend, you are not even trying to defend it because you don't know how to defend it, and you are just trying to prove that there is a similar plagarism in Islam just to convince yourself that plagarism is in both religions so Islam isn't better than Christianity !!!!
You are just grasping on straws
As mentioned before, the virgin birth is true, Luke knew about the virgin birth because he did effort to trace everything from the beginning as mentioned in the opening of his gospel, in the holy Quran God told us about the virgin birth of Jesus Pbuh as a sign of his power
I don't see any problem at all in this
If you want to keep claiming that this is plagarism, just keep claiming but it's just a very ridiculous claim that shows how weak your arguments to prove your religion are
On the other hand, according to both the jews and christians Philo is a heretic, Philo didn't believe in Jesus although they lived in the same time, yet after the ascent of Jesus Pbuh, the author of the fourth gospel just copied what Philo said about the Logos and said that Jesus was the Logos !!!!!!!!!!!
Can you explain this plagarism ?
I challenge you to give me a logic explanation