Actually, I am not trying to be evasive, but I have answered in details all the points you were talking about, and this took me more than a week, and you didn't bother to discuss anything of what I wrote, and you just repeated some points that I have answered somewhere else !!!QuoteYou know I am not kidding. You confuse things by responding and then close a thread and respond somewhere else. It is like you are trying to be evasive.Ok, no problem. I will address again the issues in your last posts although I have addressed them before. But could you also address the issues in my posts that I wrote in more than 1 week when this thread was closed ?QuoteInstead of asking "Are you kidding..." address the issues on my last posts.Ok, I will.QuoteDo like me and say "As I mentioned" and repeat or paraphrase your responses in necessary.Never mind about my tactics. Kindly read my posts and address the issues in them.QuoteIn my opinion, this response here is just another of your evasive tactics and contributes nothing to the dialogue. You trying to make me look like a clown or some kidding doesn't cut it friend.I will just quote my previous answer to this point at this link http://splashurl.com/meqqdgtQuoteI don't see the spiritual sense (or the human logic and reason) in turning to a religion of uncertainty as Abu Bakr points out by saying he couldn't trust the "Makr" (deception) of Allah, well, I trust him even less. I see Muslims as insecure in their religion.QuoteIn Islam, you are 100 % safe as long as you believe in God, all of his messengers, all of his books and in judgement day and you do good deeds. This is the guarantee that the holy Quran gives to all people : (من عمل صالحا من ذكر أو أنثى وهو مؤمن فلنحيينه حياة طيبة ولنجزينهم أجرهم بأحسن ما كانوا يعملون) النحل 97 ( Whoever does righteousness, whether male or female, while he is a believer – We will surely cause him to live a good life, and We will surely give them their reward [in the Hereafter] according to the best of what they used to do.) 15:97 So your security in Islam, depends on believing in the religion of God and doing rightousness However, we don't think that we are sure that we are 100% safe in judgement day, because we don't know how our deeds will be at our death ? At our death, will we be believers doing good deeds ? If so, we are safe but we don't know how will we be at our death. What about christianity? You think that you are safe because God made the Jews and Romans kill his son or himself on the cross !!! Surely, this is a very strange concept However, let me ask you a question Do you think that you are secure even if you kill other people or rob them or do very bad deeds just because you believe that God has sacrificed his son ? If so, then surely christianity is not the true religion because it encourages people to do bad deeds just because they believe that they are secure whatever their deeds are, as long as they believe that Jesus Pbuh was crucified If you think that to be secure, you must do good deeds, then this is the same as Islam, so there is no point at all in your objection In Islam we have hope in God and in the same time we fear him We hope that he will forgive us and have mercy on us and in the same time we fear his punishment Our fear from god prevents us from doing bad deeds Abu Bakr did not say that he does not trust God of course, but what he said means that he will fear God even if one of his legs was in paradise and the other is still outside itAgain I answered this at the same link :QuoteEven the fact that my posts have to be screened for approval shows a lack of trust in God and the poster especially after I have been posting nearly a 100 times.However, you now have a lot of posts really and it seems logic that your posts don't have to be screened first anymore, but of course I don't have the authority to decide this, I will contact the admins regarding this issue.QuoteWell, this is just what you want to think I told you, we do this with all members whether muslims or christians We do this with christians, because some of them speak about Islam and Prophet Muhammad Pbuh in a very rude offending wayAgain, I will just quote my answer which you can find at the same linkQuoteSo tell me, just why would I want to be a slave of the god of Islam like you and all Muslims, when I can be free and a child of the Most High God recorded in the Bible that you deny as God's road map to Salvation?QuoteActually, according to your Bible, Jesus Pbuh himself is a servant of God Matthew 12 15 Jesus knew what the Pharisees were planning. So he left that place, and many people followed him. He healed all who were sick, 16 but he warned them not to tell others who he was. 17 This was to give full meaning to what Isaiah the prophet said when he spoke for God: 18 “Here is my servant, the one I have chosen. He is the one I love, and I am very pleased with him. So do you think that Jesus Pbuh is a servant or a slave of God and you are not ? It is wirth to mention that the word in the arabic translations of the Bible that is used instead of Servant in Matthew 12 is not خادم ( Khadem) which means servant but is Abd ( عبد) which means slave Actually according to the Bible you are surely a servant of God Let's read from Revelation 22 8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. When I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown them to me.9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I’m a servant just like you and your brothers and sisters, the prophets, and those who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!” So the angel, John, the prophets and those who keep the words of the scroll - according to the Bible - are all servants of God Again the arabic word is Abd which means slave Surely being a slave or a servant of God is not something bad, it means that God owns you in a way that can be compared to a master owning his slave And this is surely true, God owns us and he has power and control over every single thing in our lives, we can't take a single breath unless he wills, everything that we have, God gave it to us : life, food , drink, health , money .... etc In this way we are servants and slaves of God In Christianity, God is described as a Father to show his love and mercy and men are described as his sons In islam, we don't describe God as a father and we don't describe ourselves as sons of God, because describing our relation to God in this way has been misused by christians. Some of the early christians used to describe Jesus Pbuh as son of God, to show that God loves him, exactly as David and Solomon has been described as sons of God in the OT. However, after describing Jesus as son of God to show that God loves him, people began to believe that this means that he is God. This is why we don't describe God as a father in Islam or say that we are the sons of God. However, Prophet Muhammad Pbuh taught us that God is not just as loving and merciful as a father, but that God is more loving and merciful than a mother. There’s a Hadith where a mother had lost her child during a battle, and she was looking for him fearing the worst. When she found him, she held him close and it was one of the most powerful scenes of love and mercy the companions have seen that they started to weep. Our Beloved peace be upon him said, “do you wonder at the mercy this mother had for her child? God is far more merciful to His servants than this mother is to her child!”Could you tell me which of your posts exactly have I not been able to gainsay? Which points exactly have I not been able to answer properly? I think I have been able to gainsay all your posts. You claimed that Jesus Pbuh is divine because he was born from a virgin, and I told you that this is a ridiculous argument because his birth from a virgin is a miracle to show the power of God and that he can create people in a way that is not subject to physical and biological laws. You claimed that Jesus is divine because he is the word of God and everything has been created through him according to the fourth gospel, and I have been able to prove to you that the concept of the Logos or the word of God through which everything has been created has just been plagarized by the author of the fourth gospel from Philo. You claimed that Jesus is addressed as God in the epistle to Hebrews, and I proved to you that the author of this epistle is unknown and some early christians considered this epistle spurious, moreover the phrase is taken from the OT and the jews translate it to OJudge instead of OGod, and I showed you that even unitarian christians do not consider this as an evidence of divinity of Jesus Pbuh, and moreover the speaker addresses the person to whom he is speaking telling him (your God) so he is surely not speaking to God. You claimed that Uthman ibn Affan - may God be pleased with him - did some alterations to the text of the holy Quran when he burnt some Quranic texts that were present at his time, and I told you that he just wrote again the text that was collected by Abu Bakr, and the text that was collected by Abu Bakr was taken from the quranic text that was written when prophet Muhammad Pbuh used to read it, so no alterations were done. You claimed that there is an error in the holy Quran because it states that some people consider virgin Mary God, and I explained to you that according to thhe arabic language a god is anything or any person that is worshipped, so if the catholics worship virgin Mary - even if they don't say she is God - this means that they took her as a god according to the arabic language. Moreover, I've been able to show you some quotations from the Catholics which shows that some of them consider virgin Mary to be equal to God. So Could you please, tell me which of your posts exactly have I not been able to gainsay ? Could you also answer my posts ? You didn't answer me ..... How could Jesus Pbuh be God while he himself used to say that the Father is his God? How could Jesus be God while he himself said that the Father is the only God? How could he be God if he used to pray to God? How could he be God if he didn't know when Judgement day is? If you agree that the Bible is a man-made book that contains errors and spurious parts .... How do you trust it to take your faith from it? For example, how do you know that Jesus's resurrection story is not just a fake? Maybe he was not crucified and someone else was crucified as we muslims believe and as stated by some of the gnostic gospels, maybe he just died on the cross and the whole resurrection story is just a fake. How do you trust a book containing errors and spurious parts to be the source of your faith? What about the false prophecies in the Bible and the true prophecies in the Quran and Hadiths? I gave you examples for such prophecies.QuoteI am being concise and articulate, and you haven't been able to gainsay my posts.
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