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**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 17-11-2007, 17:12

السلام عليكم

يرجى من الاخوة الكرام المتخصصين فى النصرانيات ومصطلحاتها والذين يمرون على ترجماتى هذه ان يقوموا بالتوجيه وليس بالقراءة أوتحميل الملفات فقط
لان هذه مسؤوليه الجميع

اعرف ان هناك اخطاء طباعية وكلمات جديدة على ّ
فعلى من يعلم يدخل ويقترح

وقد قمت برفع الملفات التى بها الترجمة حتى يتسنى لكم مراجعتها دفعه واحده فى تسلسل وعدم تشتت

فكلنا مسؤولون

مع التحية

**دكتور محمد الخضر سالم** · 20-11-2007, 17:00

الأخت العزيزة الفاضلة نسيبة بنت كعب
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
أختي الفاضلة، أود الإيضاح ما إذا كان أصل الموضوع هو الإنجليزية أم العربية. فهل قمتي بترجمة النص من اللغة العربية إلى الإنجليزية أم العكس. حيث ورد في عنوان الموضوع أنه لـ وليام كامبل. فإن كان ذلك كذلك فهذا يعني أنك قمت بترجمة الموضوع إلى اللغة العربية وهل كانت الترجمة لرد السيف البتار أم لصاحب المقال الأصل. معليش لقد اختلطت عندي الأمور فلم أعرف المراد بتصحيح الأخطاء هنا. هل هي أخطاء في اللغة العربية أم اللغة الإنجليزية.
وما لاحظته هو أليس من الأحسن أن نقول القرآن الكريم والإنجيل في ضوء التاريخ والعلم؟
فأنا حتى هذه اللحظة أود أن اتبين نوع المشاركة من قبلك هل كانت ترجمة إلى العربية أم منها.
ولك خالص الشكر والتقدير
محمد الخضر سالم

**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 20-11-2007, 18:23

الدكتور العزيز محمد
سلام الله عليك
ما فهمته هو ان النصارى قاموا بترجمة الكتاب الاصلى الى العربية
فقام السيف البتار بالرد عليه
حاولت ان ارى الكتاب باللغة الانجليزية ولكن كل المواقع لا تفتح فى البلد التى اقيم فيها
فكان الحل هو ترجمة ما قام بالرد عليه البتار
ليكون هو الرد على النسخة العربية المترجمة للكتاب الانجليزي الاصلى

حاولت مع السيف البتار وشبكة الحصول على نسخة انجليزية لانها كانت ستساعدنى جدا فى انتقاء المصطلحات واستخدام نفس العبارات والحوار معه بطريقته على نفس الارضية ، ولكننا لم نفلح

انا انهيت الجزء الاول تقريبا وارجو ان تراجعه لى ان سمح وقتك

ولك الشكر والعرفان دائما

**وا إسلاماه** · 20-11-2007, 18:26

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة دكتور محمد الخضر سالم مشاهدة المشاركة

الأخت العزيزة الفاضلة نسيبة بنت كعب
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
أختي الفاضلة، أود الإيضاح ما إذا كان أصل الموضوع هو الإنجليزية أم العربية. فهل قمتي بترجمة النص من اللغة العربية إلى الإنجليزية أم العكس. حيث ورد في عنوان الموضوع أنه لـ وليام كامبل. فإن كان ذلك كذلك فهذا يعني أنك قمت بترجمة الموضوع إلى اللغة العربية وهل كانت الترجمة لرد السيف البتار أم لصاحب المقال الأصل. معليش لقد اختلطت عندي الأمور فلم أعرف المراد بتصحيح الأخطاء هنا. هل هي أخطاء في اللغة العربية أم اللغة الإنجليزية.
وما لاحظته هو أليس من الأحسن أن نقول القرآن الكريم والإنجيل في ضوء التاريخ والعلم؟
فأنا حتى هذه اللحظة أود أن اتبين نوع المشاركة من قبلك هل كانت ترجمة إلى العربية أم منها.
ولك خالص الشكر والتقدير
محمد الخضر سالم

بعد إذن أختي نسيبة

الأخ الفاضل:

هناك كتاب للدكتور موريس بوكاي اسمه: التوراة والإنجيل والقرآن والعلم ..

فجاء وليم كامبل ورد على هذا الكتاب في كتابٍله وأسماه: القرآن والكتاب المقدس في نور التاريخ والعلم

فجاء رد الأخ البتار عليه هنـــا
وهذا ما تقوم بترجمته الأخت نسيبة- جزاها الله خيرا

هذا حد علمي أخي

جزاكم الله خيرا

**شبكة بن مريم الإسلامية** · 20-11-2007, 19:34

الكتاب لكمبل بالإنجليزية قد تم أرساله الى الأخت نسيبة من يريده يمكنه مراسلتى أو مراسلة الأخت نسيبة وسوف يتم أرسال الرابط له على الخاص

**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 21-11-2007, 18:13

Miracle of Curing

It is reported about Bin Abi Obied that he said:"I saw the marking (scar) of a wound in Salma's leg, so I said: Oh aba Muslim, What is this wound? He said: this is a wound that hit me on Khayber's day. People said: Salama is wounded … so I went to the Prophet PBUH, he blew on it three times and I never complained of it till this hour (present). (Sahih El-Bukhary 4/1541/Sahih Abi Dawoud 3295- Sahih Ibn Hayan 14/ P. 439

It is reported of Al-Baraa Bin Azeb (May God bless him) that Abdullah Bin Atiek when Aba Rafea was killed and he was descending from the stair of his home, he fell to the ground and broke his leg. He said: I talked to the prophet PBUH and he said: "stretch your leg", and he stretched it, and he (the prophet rubbed it and it became as if I never complained of it before).

It is reported of Moaaza Bin Rafae Bin Malik about his father, he said: " I was shot by an arrow on the day of Badr and my eye popped-out so Allah's apostle PBUH spit at it and prayed for me then nothing ever hurt it again (his eyes became better than before)" (introduced by Ibn Abi Shaybah, El-Hakem, El-Bayhaqy and Abo Naeem)

The miracle of restoring Qetadah'e eye after its Protrusion

During the battle of Uhud, Qatadah Bin El-Noaman was shot in his eye till it fell and protruded at his cheek, the prophet PBUH restored it by his honored hand so it immediately got better and this eye became the better of the two. This is one of God's miracles by which Allah supported his messenger. The narration of this event was introduced by Ibn Eshaq in the traditions of the Holy Prophet (3/30), Ibn Hagr in The Correction, Ibn Abd El-Bar in Comprehension in The interpretation of El-Noaaman, Abou Yaaly, El-Baihaqy on the Connotations, Abou Naain in The Connotations under No. 417 & 418 and El-Haqem mentioned it in The Inferred (3/295).

The miracle of curing the Blind by his prayer (PBUH)

"‘Uthman ibn Hunayf relates:A blind man came to God’s Messenger and requested him to pray to God to recover his eyes. The Messenger said: “If you desire, I’ll not pray-being blind may be better for your afterlife-or I’ll pray.” The man chose to be relieved of blindness and the Messenger told him: “Go and do an ablution. Then pray two rak‘as and say: ‘O God! Surely my appeal is to You and I turn toward You through the Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy: O Muhammad, surely I turn toward God through you, that He uncover my sight. O God, make him my intercessor.’” The man did what the Messenger told him and his sight was restored.
Therefore, the curing of this blind man detonates his prophecy. (Related by El-Bukhary in El-Tariekh El-Kabeer [The Great History] 6/210and El-Tabrany in El-Moagam El-kabeer {The Great Glossary}9/19, corrected and delivered by El-Zhahaby and El-Baihaqy in Dalael El-Nebewa (Denotations of Prophecy) 6/166 etal)

There are many other miracles of the prophet PBUH such as { Jinn exiting the lad, water gushing of Al-Hodybia's well, the miracle of little food sufficed and satisfied the hunger of a great number, the miracle of food increase, his miracle (PBUH) of increasing butter for Om Selim, the miracle of rain falling by his prayer, the miracle of the reminiscence of the palm tree stem out of yearning for him, the miracle of a stick of firewood into a sword, the miracle of the deer speaking and loyalty to him, the miracle of the trees' obedience to him, the miracle of ceasing of the mountain disturbance by the command of the messenger. In addition, among the miracles of the prophet PBUH is the sheep telling him that it was poisoned and the prophet PBUH prediction about future unseen events and their happening as he said… etc
If miracles were the matters that bestow eligibility and distinction between each prophet and the other, we would have worshipped Elias when he revived the dead (Kings Book 1 17:17) and we would have worshipped Ezekiel when he revived the dead and we could have worshipped Joshua's bones when they revived the dead by mere touching(Kings Book II 4 : 32) and we could have worshipped Joshua when he cured the blind(Kings Book II 6 : 20) and we could have worshipped Joshua because he could predict the unseen(Kings Book II 6 :12) and we could have worshipped Joshua because he could cure the sick (Kings Book II 3 :5) and we could have worshipped Joshua because he could feed a hundred person by only twenty loaves only (Kings Book II 4 :24) and we could have worshipped Elias because he split the sea into two halves (by the gown of Elias miracles are achieved) and we could have worshipped Elias whom was served by angels (Kings Book I 4 :19) and we could have worshipped Elias because all beings obeyed him and knelt down for him(Kings Book I 1:18) and we could have worshipped Elias because he fed a family by nothing(Kings Book I 17:17).
However, I will provide you now with two miracles which you could feel by your hands and in front of which the world was disable.
(1) illiteracy of Allah's apostle PBUH
(2) The Quran
If we consider the miracles which I have mentioned to you before, we would find that we all know them and you would find them repeated. Thus, they are miracles which do not attract attention. If you refuted the miracles of Elias, then you would be a disbeliever of the Bible. If you refute the miracles of Joshua or Ezekiel or Moses, you would be a disbeliever of the Bible. Therefore, the miracles of reviving the dead, curing the sick, feeding people, increasing water and food and knowing the unseen are all repeated miracles and were attributed more than once for several prophets.
However, what I would mention of miracles, we would learn of them that the world still studies these miracles till our present time and still did not reach to inclusive final solutions

**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 21-11-2007, 18:14

The First Miracle
The illiterate who taught the whole world
God Praise and glory be to Him chose his prophet to be illiterate and the meaning of the word illiterate i.e. ignorant: that is as his mother gave birth to him, i.e. he did not receive any education from any human being and this illiteracy was an honour for the messenger of God PBUH, Why?
Because God Praise and glory be to Him is one who chose and selected him to be the Seal (last) of the prophets as he wanted to teach him (the prophet) Himself, Praise and glory be to God.
If the messenger of Allah read or wrote, they would have said: he was educated by the books of the ancestors (forefathers) or from the civilizations of other nations. Thus, God, Praise and glory be to Him, chose him to grow up as ignorant so that every one knows that the knowledge of Allah's apostle came from God, Praise be to Him. Despite both this choice and wisdom, the minds of infidels neglected it and they claimed that the messenger of Allah was educated by a human being. As God stated this in the AlNahl Surat- verse: 103:
قال تعالى :
وَلَقَدْ نَعْلَمُ أَنَّهُمْ يَقُولُونَ إِنَّمَا يُعَلِّمُهُ بَشَرٌ لِّسَانُ الَّذِي يُلْحِدُونَ إِلَيْهِ أَعْجَمِيٌّ وَهَـذَا لِسَانٌ عَرَبِيٌّ مُّبِينٌ
[النحل103]
"And certainly we know that they say: Only a mortal teaches him. The tongue of him whom they reproach is barbarous, and this is clear"

They claimed that this knowledge belonged to the legends (tales) of the ancestors(ancients). As God said in Al-Anaam Surat- Verse 25:
قال تعالى :
وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَسْتَمِعُ إِلَيْكَ وَجَعَلْنَا عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِي آذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًا وَإِن يَرَوْاْ كُلَّ آيَةٍ لاَّ يُؤْمِنُواْ بِهَا حَتَّى إِذَا جَآؤُوكَ يُجَادِلُونَكَ يَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِنْ هَذَآ إِلاَّ أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ
[الأنعام25]
“Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils on their hearts, So they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the signs, not they will believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee, they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the ancients."

However, the tales of the ancients are the ones stated in the Bible when it marveled us with its fallacies, so it stated the following:

Slaughtering virgins as sacrifices (Judg Book 11:30), growing salt (Judg 9:49), the sun hurries to rise (Ecclesiastes 5 :1), looking up at the sun eye is useful (Ecclesiastes11:7) and the fog waters the ground (Genesis 3 :4)Manassas cows killing 600 at once (Judg 3 :31)and snakes speak (Genesis 3:4) and the dead rotten flies for production of perfumes(Ecclesiastes 1:10), the bees producing honey in the corpse (Judg 14 :5), a thousand dying of one hit of a donkey beard (Judg 15 :16), a donkey undoing a water spring (Judg 15 :18) fortune tellers revive the dead ( Samuel 1 Book 16,13,28) the bow shakes and kills 800 person (Samuel II Book 23:8)… etc.

We turn again to the miracle of the beloved chosen prophet PBUH.

God replied to whoever lied and claimed that the prophet was not illiterate or was taught by others as He To whom belong glory and Majesty said in AL-Ankbout surat- verse 48:

قال تعالى :
وَمَا كُنتَ تَتْلُو مِن قَبْلِهِ مِن كِتَابٍ وَلَا تَخُطُّهُ بِيَمِينِكَ إِذًا لَّارْتَابَ الْمُبْطِلُونَ
[العنكبوت48]
“And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.”

Then , God, praise and Glory be to Him, is drawing the attention of the whole mankind that he chose his messenger to be ignorant in order to refute what the fallacy advocates and enemies of faith claim that the messenger of Allah has brought Quran from his own resources. Therefore, God Praise and glory be to Him said to his beloved: if you were to know reading and writing before prophecy comes to you, then this would be an evidence of the advocates of falsehood and those whose God's wrath is brought upon them and those who went astray to say that : this Quran comes from you, but you do not read nor write and you haven't read a word in your life before the message (prophecy) nor did you write a single word.

Thus, their evidence is mere falsehood which had no truth. Rather, it is a mere stubbornness and obstinacy as a pret ext for disbelief and an infidelity and their pret ext is returned to them.
God said in Younis Chapter - verse 16
قال تعالى :
قُل لَّوْ شَاء اللّهُ مَا تَلَوْتُهُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلاَ أَدْرَاكُم بِهِ فَقَدْ لَبِثْتُ فِيكُمْ عُمُرًا مِّن قَبْلِهِ أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ
[يونس16]
“Say: If Allah had so willed, I should not have rehearsed it to you, nor would He have made it known to you. A whole life-time before this have I tarried amongst you: will ye not then understand?"

Therefore, ignorance was considered an honor for the messenger of Allah PBUH and a necessity in order to reply to the claims of falsehood as an assurance for believers as all that came by the messenger of Allah; rather, it was a revelation brought from the creator of the earth and the sky.

Here we are after the elapse of 1400 years; the prophet still represents terror for all other religions. There is no getaway but by insulting, ridiculing or mocking him while he did cease to exist and passed away. Have we ever found such an attack at a deceased figure as the case with the prophet PBUH?

Thus, this attack is the greatest definite undoubted evidence that he is the messenger of Allah PBUH

**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 21-11-2007, 18:14

The second miracle:

The Holy Qur’an the Eternal Everlasting Great Miracle

The prophet PBUH had solely, rather other than prophets and messengers, several miracles. Some of which were reported and some are the greatest which became an eternal everlasting miracles. The meaning of an everlasting miracle is that they still exist with message and method in order that each follower of his method can say: the method of Islam is Qur’an and the miracle of prophet of Islam is Qur’an. If the miracle was satisfied as the way of previous miracles by the his precedent fellows of messengers, it would have ended by the end of its time so that it would become a history. We all know that the sea was split for Moses, we know it as reported to us but we have not witnessed it. In addition, we know that Jesus peace be upon him healed the blind and the leprous and brought forth the dead (Al-Maeda Surat – verse 110):

"إِذْ قَالَ اللّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ اذْكُرْ نِعْمَتِي عَلَيْكَ وَعَلَى وَالِدَتِكَ إِذْ أَيَّدتُّكَ بِرُوحِ الْقُدُسِ تُكَلِّمُ النَّاسَ فِي الْمَهْدِ وَكَهْلاً وَإِذْ عَلَّمْتُكَ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَالتَّوْرَاةَ وَالإِنجِيلَ وَإِذْ تَخْلُقُ مِنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ بِإِذْنِي فَتَنفُخُ فِيهَا فَتَكُونُ طَيْرًا بِإِذْنِي وَتُبْرِىءُ الأَكْمَهَ وَالأَبْرَصَ بِإِذْنِي وَإِذْ تُخْرِجُ الْمَوتَى بِإِذْنِي وَإِذْ كَفَفْتُ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ عَنكَ إِذْ جِئْتَهُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنْهُمْ إِنْ هَذَا إِلاَّ سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ "

“When Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! Remember My favor on you and on your mother, when I strengthened you I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: This is nothing but clear enchantment.”

Moreover, Moses revived the dead by permission of almighty God as stated in Al-Baqra Surat- verse 73:
"فَقُلْنَا اضْرِبُوهُ بِبَعْضِهَا كَذَلِكَ يُحْيِي اللّهُ الْمَوْتَى وَيُرِيكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ" (البقرة73)
“So We said: Strike the (dead body) with part of the (Sacrificed cow), thus Allah brings the dead to life, and He shows you His signs so that you may understand.”

We know it as reported to us but we have not witnessed it. Furthermore, we know that the messenger of Allah PBUH has miracles which we have mentioned before. We know them as reported to us but we have not witnessed them. Unless the prophetic traditions and the Qur’an in which we believe narrated these tales to us, we would have doubted them.

However, the messenger of Allah PBUH has brought forth a comprehensive method that would last till the Day of Judgment. Thus, Christianity depended on it in some of its legislations such as inheritance for instance. This method must maintain its miracle in order to guard the method and remain as evidence for the integrity of the reporting of the messenger of Allah PBUH. Hence, his greatest miracle was Qur’an so that each Muslim can say till the Day of Judgment: Mohammed is the prophet of Islam and his greatest eternal miracle is the Qur’an.

Thus, as long as Qur’an is a miracle, the whole world must be incompetent. Those who say: this miracle was due to eloquence, fluency, logic and rhetoric and the Arab nation is the nation of rhetoric. We say: this miracle is limited to Arabs. However, if we transmit the method to the English, French, Germans, Italians or any other nation, still the method due to its miraculous nature would continue to exist.

If one of them said: we are not familiar with Arabic language, if we knew Arabic, any one of us would have produced better speech than this? Therefore, God, praise be to Him, wished that Qur’an should contain one aspect that remains miraculous for these nations. These are the miracles about which languages do not disagree about our nations. They are the mental miracles i.e. the messenger of Allah PBUH, while he is the ignorant prophet who is not known to have any activity concerning science or culture, should report about things which are realized after the elapse of centuries. To those who do not believe that they came from God, we say:
Therefore, you want to elevate Muhammad to the rank of Godhood because he mentioned things fourteen centuries ago and they are realized at present. He told about things which cannot be said except by someone knowledgeable about his own universe. Thus, we should be aware that the Holy Qur’an as it includes a method; it also contains universal miracles about which nations agree and are not limited to a language rather than the other.

Qur’an miracles involve its versification, eloquence and diction. These differ from visible miracles witnessed by contemporaries of Moses, Jesus or Mohammed Peace be upon them, for Qur’an is an acoustic permanent miracle. Hearing is the only perception mechanism which responds at the time of sleeping and performs its function as its design necessitates potentials for continuing its function at the time of sleep.

Qur’an is a universal miracle in terms of time and place. It possesses incredibility in every time and place since its revelation from the sky till our present day and till God inherits the Erath and what is on its surface, Qur’an would maintain miracles that astonish the whole world and confirm that Qur’an comes from God. It has infinite marvel and bounty for each generation. There is nothing in it like the Bible of criminality, superstitions, prostitution, homosexuality, bodies, thighs, umbilicus, breast, lips, cheeks, women beauties such as pomegranates, bunches of grapes and vulvas like cups ( Song of Solomon 2:7)

Hence, Qur’an, the miracle of Allah’s apostle which never ends till the Day of Judgment, came. It is a miracle that addresses the mind which is the common trait for every body. It is a permanent miracle with a renewable reality. Thus, each one of us can now say that: Mohammed PBUH is the messenger of Allah and this is his miracle because it is a reality and this cannot be said in regard to the miracle of Moses or Jesus peace be upon them, for instance, as they are now history.

A miracle for preceding messengers of Allah’s apostle PBUH is one thing and the method book is another. Ibrahim journals contain method but they are not a miracle. His miracle revolved around the attempt of burning him and his rescue as well as dismembering birds and reviving them again as God says in Al-Baqra Chapter – verse 260:

وَإِذْ قَالَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ رَبِّ أَرِنِي كَيْفَ تُحْيِي الْمَوْتَى قَالَ أَوَلَمْ تُؤْمِن قَالَ بَلَى وَلَكِن لِّيَطْمَئِنَّ قَلْبِي قَالَ فَخُذْ أَرْبَعَةً مِّنَ الطَّيْرِ فَصُرْهُنَّ إِلَيْكَ ثُمَّ اجْعَلْ عَلَى كُلِّ جَبَلٍ مِّنْهُنَّ جُزْءًا ثُمَّ ادْعُهُنَّ يَأْتِينَكَ سَعْيًا وَاعْلَمْ أَنَّ اللّهَ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ

Behold! Abraham said: "My Lord! Show me how Thou givest life to the dead." He said: "Dost thou not then believe?" He said: "Yea! but to satisfy My own undertaking." He said: "Take four birds; tame them to turn to thee; put a portion of them on every hill and call to them: They will come to thee (Flying) with speed. Then know that Allah is exalted in Power, Wise."

This is in addition to the above-mentioned miracles of Moses. However, his method book was The Pentateuch. Moreover, Jesus, peace be upon him, had his own miracles as mentioned before; however, his method was the Bible and these were all miracles that happened by God’s permission and ended by the ending of their messages.

Thus, all the miracles of the prophets were independent of the method, except for Allah’s Apostle PBUH whose real actual miracles are the essence of his method. His miracle is Qur’an till the Day of Judgment. Therefore, the miracle must remain with the method so as to be evidence for people till the Day of Judgment. For further details refer to the following link:

https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/showthread.php?p=42604

Hence, we find that all enemies of Islam diverge from truths of things by fraud and forgery in order to refute the Qur’an; however, if they used their minds by means of logic for a single moment, they would have find that the Qur’an was revealed in an Arabic style and challenged Arabs who were people of eloquence, fluency and rhetoric and they possessed beauty of expression and marvelous performance. It was brought forth in Qoreysh which combined in its language all languages of Arab tribes. Thus, quran came to challenge the Arabs and preach the fluent, the eloquent and poets by its verses and the valiant refuted Mohammed and were infidel to his message. Every foresighted person learnt from the history concerning the bibliography of the prophet in his dialogue with Qoreysh, enemies of Aswan, in regard to the Qur’an styles and his challenge to them: they argued with the prophet PBUH in every worthy and insignificant matter not wasting an opportunity for them in this field. How would foreign words and vocabulary be recited to them that they may use as a means to destroy Islam in its beginning; however, they did not move and they surrendered?! The beauty of Qur’an drove El-Walid Bin El-Mughira, the severest enemy of Islam, to say when he and a group from Quraish wanted to overthrow the messenger by asserting that he (the prophet) was either a mad man or a poet: “By God its saying has beauty and it possesses gracefulness and its most eminent is fruitful and its lowest has abundance and it is elevated and nothing rises above it and anything you say, would be known as false and what is easier for you is to say : a magician bringing forth magic that separates between one and his son and a person and his family. Here is the poet Kaab Bin Al-Ashraf the Jewish and he is a man from Nabhan from Tayaa who used to hurt the messenger of Allah PBUH by his poetry and maneuver and stirring Arabs against him. Was it related about them that they objected to a word, phrase or a verse?! Was he unable to draw the attention of Quraish people to the fact that the Apostle of Allah quoted Qur’an from here or there? Did we hear from them who said this or that? By God, if it included anything slandering it, they would not have ignored it. Rather, why did they convert to the religion of Islam and millions of Christians believed in Qur’an without being stopped by any suspicion or refutation and they have among them rabbis, priests, scientists, philosophers, thinkers, artists, politicians and historians of all races and colors, from all ages and environments? However, unfortunately, at present while we are in the third millennium there are still people more ignorant in comparison to the pre-Islamic (Jahiliah ) Age who belonged to the eloquent and fluent. If we had one of them now among us, we would mock the trifle claims addressed at Qur’an and the prophetic traditions out of spite, malice and hatred.

God, praise to him, said:

مَّا يَوَدُّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ وَلاَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ أَن يُنَزَّلَ عَلَيْكُم مِّنْ خَيْرٍ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ
[البقرة105]

“Those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book do not like, nor do the polytheists, that the good should be sent down to you from your Lord, and Allah chooses especially whom He pleases for His mercy, and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.”

William Campbell concludes this page by his strange assertion by which he allows himself to use fraud and forgery publicly:

There is only one way in order to determine the meaning of a word that was used in the age of the Bible or Qur’an which is to bring examples of the uses of this word in writings dating to the first century A.D or the first century A.H such as poetry, letters and governmental offices. This requires finding new d ocuments such as Nouzi plates that date back to the fifteenth century B.C which help us to acquire some understanding of the traditions in the time of Abraham, the companion.

In addition, if we wish to quote from Taurat (the Pentateuch), Qur’an or any other book, we would need evidence (proof) not merely words. As a Christian I should quote the Bible and Qur’an according to the same honesty I apply when quoting the Bible. Thus, a Muslim should do the same with the Taurat (the Pentateuch) because changing the meaning of a word from the heavenly revelation or replacing it is a grave matter. This would mean that I made the word say what I wish not what God wishes. At least this may be considered as a deviation of the meaning and should be regarded as a kind of polytheism because I would have shared my thoughts with these of God.

So let’s honestly quote and always refer to evidence.

Really strange talking, I wonder how a Christian would believe in such illogical assertion which contradicts all norms then publish this issue through his website to lose the trust bestowed by the reader in him.

Did spite, jealousy and hatred against Islam blind your eyes and hearts?

Arabic has a single glossary which is The tongue of Arabs (Lisan Alarab) as all glossaries stemmed through it. If someone is perplexed by any word in Qur’an, he could find in The tongue of Arabs (Lisan Alarab) the best explanation and clarification.

We have repeatedly said that any word in any language of the world has several meanings. An example is as follows:
(Playing) cards, (identity / post) card, (combing) card,(brushing) card = card

Then there are glossaries that should be referred to and they show the meanings of these words.

However, the strangest of this is to find William Campbell the donkey doctor saying:

“To bring examples of the uses of this word in writings dating to the first century A.D or the first century A.H such as poetry, letters and governmental offices. This requires finding new d ocuments such as Nouzi plates that date back to the fifteenth century B.C … etc. Very funny assertion; rather, it is extremely hilarious.

Gentlemen: the glossary of the Holy Book reveals for us strange truths proving the lies of this liar William Campbell; rather, they slander both him and his faith.

The glossary of the Holy Book states: The Holy Book did not bring us any of the original versions written by these inspired or their book. All that reached us are versions quoted from this origin. Although scribes gave great care to these copies; however, some very few marginal spelling mistakes must have occurred (how come they are quoted from the original and how come they contain mistakes? Where is the original in order to compare?)

Then the glossary says: the Jewish Old Testament present in our hands is taken from the Missourian version prepared by a group of Jews’ scientists in Tabria from the sixth century to the twelfth century A.D (notice the time difference between Moses and Jesus about 1300 year)

Later the glossary says: “As for the Greek New Testament, the most updated cuneiform was written in the tenth century. The most ancient versions of some of the New Testament Books were found written on papyrus dating to the second and third centuries A.D such Baudmr papyrus (are quite negligible).”

Hence, if this were the case with a writer (who is supposed to be heavenly), what about the books which William Campbell wishes us to refer to? If the most ancient version of the Old Testament is the one existing and scribed in the tenth century A.D, then where he could get us a version of Nouzi’s plates dating to the fifteenth century B.C? if Nouzi’s plates were scribed in the same way as the New or the Old Testament were scribed, how could we be certain that the scribed of Nouzi’s plates are intact versions while the New Testament which is the word of God (according to what a Christian believes) included errors due to the copying process? Therefore, are the Nouzi’s plates more accurate than what came in the versions of the New Testament?

The matter has turned to be a mere ridicule and mockery of the readers’ minds… I would like to show this fraud so that the Christian would understand before the Muslim the inherent spite and malice targeted against Islam have blinded your eyes and hearts and turned you into infidels in the view of Islam and Judaism and infidel from the point of view of Christianity.

As for William Campbell saying about using evidence in his research, we say:

If looked into the Bible, we would find obscene embarrassing words that would cause shame; however, interpreters say that they mean a relationship between God and his Israel nation… ended.
If we looked at the word breast for instance from the Song of Solomon:

Song Of Solomon 13:1
صرة المرّ حبيبي لي . بين ثديي يبيت
“The umbilicus of a man is my beloved, between my breasts he lodges”

And we bring another proof from any other book such as:

Job Book 12:3

لماذا اعانتني الركب ولم الثدي حتى ارضع
“Why did you help me to climb and why the breast so that I suckle”

We would find that interpreters explained the word ثدي i.e. breast in a contradicting way to the explanation of breast in the Job book. However, if we compare what was stated in the Song of Solomon by the evidence in Job Book, we would that the Bible interpreters are liars and stupid including on top of them their master.

How Christian websites approved these issues ignoring statements that would condemn or denounce them before they could denigrate Islam?

William Campbell says: “At least this may be considered as a deviation of the meaning and should be regarded as a kind of polytheism because I would have shared my thoughts with these of God.”

Is there any infidelity to add up to polytheism, Campbell?

This part, thanks to God, concludes the reply to the introduction as well s the first issue of the first preamble section concerning some basic assumptions concerning vocabulary

Remember imploring to God for us in your prayers

**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 21-11-2007, 18:21

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**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 18-01-2008, 14:36

Answering
Quran and the Holy Book in the Light of History and Science
By: William Campbell

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Part Two

Chapter Two

Fundamental Assumptions Characterizing Dr. Bukai’s Book

William Campbell states obstinately and ungratefully twisting the truth:

Dr. Bukai says that he has observed absolute objectivity in what he wrote. In addition, without any prejudice or preconception has investigated the Koranic revelation and repeated the same investigation for Taurat and Bible with the same objective spirit. Moreover, he started with truth and not by unseen concepts and assumed that one should be deductive seeking knowledge from truth rather than inductive seeing what he wishes in the t ext (page 13)

However, what Bukai said contradicts the discoveries of the twentieth century in social sciences. There is nothing to be said about it (this without any preconception and with complete objectivity) Thomas Kone explains in his book (structure of scientific revolutions) that the explanation of scientific truths depends on the unseen composition of the interpreter. He said that the philosophers of science have proved repeatedly that you can obtain two different scientific theories based on the same information! In 1905, James Auer quoted the writings of the German theologian Bedrman who said that it is a duty to study t exts without any preconceptions or prejudices; however, each student comes to historical research with a kind of definitions which assign borders regarded by the student as religious presumptions.

The problem of William Campbell is that he did not find any mistake in the words of Dr. Buaki so he departed from the subject he was dealing with and constructed another topic in order to discuss another point which is irrelevant to what we are aiming at for mere distraction.

Dr. Bukai discussed definite scientific facts, while William Campbell preferred objecting to him so he talked about the method of generating a scientific idea based on the unseen composition of the interpreter. The difference is quite huge. What is the connection between the two? Dr. Bukai asserted that he depended on definite scientific fact in his research which departed from the unseen composition of the scientist and this unseen composition concluded to a scientific fact.

Thus, if we considered that the definite scientific fact does not rise to truth, the World Health Organization would warn doctors not to attempt open heart operations or treatment of malignant or benign tumors.

The difference between what was quoted of Dr. Bukai and William Campbell is that Dr. Bukai explains that he depends on scientific facts which reached the extent of being definite. However, William Campbell ignorantly objects to him and considers that definite scientific facts are lies and they are mere unseen indefinite theories as if the science which proved that the Earth is round and revolves around itself was just superstitions and invalid sayings. On the other hand, the Italian astronaut Galileo when he discovered this was rebelled against by the church and was subject to inspection courts, then was beheaded with guillotine by the church command. Then the church apologized years later after his death when science advanced and proved that Galileo preceded his time. For more information on Galileo Galilee browse the website https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki

Astronomy theories claimed that the sun is static; however, scientific facts confirmed that sun moves. Is this definite fact still dominated by unseen theories? The most surprising of this is that the pharaohs had discovered this fact thousands of years ago and they knew the sun has daily dwellings. Thus, we find inside their temples 365 opening for 365 days of the calendar year. Each day the sun ray enters the opening allocated for it. Till now, we find tourists watching the phenomenon of the sun falling perpendicularly over the face of King Ramses II in his temple.

Ascending to the moon was an unseen theory; however, it has become an undoubtedly definite scientific fact. The surface of the moon was photographed with infinite precision and these are all definite scientific facts.

Concerning embryology, scientific development has helped to follow the embryos development through photography since the moment of impregnation to the delivery moment. Again, this is a definite scientific fact and not an unseen theory.

Oh William Campbell: the definite scientific fact is undoubted and indisputable; however, it may be developable but undeniable. As I have mentioned to you the revolving and roundedness of the earth, climbing the moon, sun movement and embryology are all definite scientific facts; however, they may be developed in terms of scientific research which may benefit mankind. On the other hand, we cannot claim that scientists did not climb to another moon and that the films and pictures taken of the moon surface are lies and have no real existence on the moon surface.

People like you, William Campbell, do not estimate the difference between theory, fact and law. In other words, there is a student of Arabic or religion only who would not read a book on science. Therefore, he cannot differentiate between these facts. We say that the miraculous nature does not employ but the valid definite scientific facts which are immutable irrevocable. Science can reach to irrefutable facts such as the roundedness of the earth for instance. There are some people who erred in the past. For example, Shiekh Tantawy Al-Gohery- may God have mercy on him, had no scientific background. Thus, when he dealt with the field of science with no scientific background, here he is subject to err while it was a daring attempt on his part; however, he was not qualified for it, so he erred.

These people who erred did so because the universal science has an accumulative nature. That is to say that it does not become mature over a short period of time; rather, it needs long periods till man gets to understand a certain fact. Man cannot look into the universe and concludes to a fact. There must be observation, trial and deduction. Nowadays, we live now in the age of science and being familiar with the traditions and facts of this universe has never been attainable. If we did not employ this for a better understanding of the connotation and significance of the Koranic verses, we would greatly neglect our duties.

Those who warn of this and say that the Holy Koran is static whereas science is changeable talk about theories and not facts. We employ theories in only one case as the Koranic verses are divided into two main groups:

1) the first group discusses the creation of the universe, life and man
2) the second group discusses the extinction of this universe and its resurrection

These issues cannot conform to direct perception of scientists, as the experimental science cannot put into them more than theory. Any scientist, who has respect for himself no matter how many evidences he has, cannot say : this is how creation was made and this is how extinction is to be done and this is how resurrection would happen. Theories and hypotheses may multiply; however, the Muslim remains with the light of God he can contemplate and distinguish among these theories and hypotheses so that he can rise one of them to the extent of a fact.

In this case science is victorious by the Holy Koran and this is the role of the Muslim. The Koran says:

(الذاريات 47) “ وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ“
And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.”

Thus, experimental science comes to confirm that the universe in which we live is a constantly expanding universe, and galaxies are becoming alienated from us and may sometimes reach the speed of light 300 thousands km/ sec. this is a universal fact which is measured and is not a mere assumption and the Koran says: “"وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ i.e. (and most surely We are the makers of things ample). Man wonders for a participle denoting continuity and this expansion which happens by God’s will started in the ancient times and continues till now and will continue in future. If I do not link this fact to the interpretation of this Koranic verse, I would have greatly neglected my duty. Scientists assert that concerning this expansion if made it go backwards in time, the seen universe matter must meet in a single celestial body. The universe which expands for this celestial body must have an extremely high density that make it in a critical state, so that it explodes and turns to shades of smoke and of this smoke, the earth and the rest of the celestial bodies in the sky are created. The Koran says:

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ” (الأنبياء – 30)
“Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have made of water everything living, will they not then believe?”

This is true concerning the theory of the first body; in fact, it is a theory that rises to the rank of fact, for these are the words of the creator- to whom glory and might belong. We say that the great explosion theory is a theory that rises to the rank of a fact.

The speech concerning the miraculous nature is addressed to Non-Muslims rather than to Muslims. Therefore, the Islamic expansion in the West and the East is an astounding and remarkable one. The western information says that Islam is the most widespread religion in the world at present. In addition, statistics say that the number of Muslims who hold nationalities of western countries in west Europe exceed 31 million person. A city like Birmingham alone has more than 153 mosques as well as Britain which has thousands of mosques without any exaggeration. Thus, the number of Muslims in Britain has reached 4 million persons. Moreover, the numbers of these people who go to the mosques on Friday’s prayer have become tens times more than those who go to Churches on Sunday.

Mr. William Campbell, the best methods of the scientific miraculous issue in the Holy Koran is the definite scientific facts as the unseen issues no more moves the feelings of westerners. They have become bored with unseen issues and listening to talks about and they are greatly distorted. However, when we tell him that a Koranic verse which was revealed 1400 years ago indicates a universal fact not known but only ten years ago, then this would profoundly shake him.

to be continued

**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 18-01-2008, 14:37

William Campbell says :
Dr. Bukai supposes that the compatibility between science and religion is the first measurement that determines the validity and verity of religious t exts and there is some truth in this assumption.
I do not thin that Dr. Bukai would say such a thing; however, I think that you have misunderstood what he meant as the Holy Koran does not need scientific evidence to prove that these are the words of Allah.
Since the very first day of the message, there were not any scientific facts. The scientific miracle did not appear or develop except in the twentieth century and Islam appeared in the seventh century. Therefore, everyone who was converted to Islam during this period which ranges around thirteen centuries did not believe in it due to scientific facts, but rather for it is the true book of Allah and because religion for God is Islam.

I have discussed before the idea of the miraculous nature of Koran with all its details in the first part.

William Campbell states:

The objective of every writing and reading in any book is to search for religious facts and the most important religious question is: is there a God? Then how can I get to know Him and construct a relation with Him? We will find books in biology or chemistry which are true in the scientific aspect; however, they never mention the name of Allah. Sometimes scientific and religious knowledge may conflict. An example of this is what Dr. Bukai researched concerning stars, planets and shooting meteors which fall and pierce whatever they fall upon. He quoted from Surat Al-Safat (6:37)which belongs to the first Meccan age

(إِنَّا زَيَّنَّا السَّمَاءَ الدُّنْيَا بِزِينَةِ الْكَوَاكِبِ)
Verily we have adorned the near heaven with the stars (for beauty)

There is no problem about this; however, our readings of the following verses would show us a religious problem. The verses 7: 10 of Surat Al-Safat read:

(وَحِفْظاً مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْطَانٍ مَارِدٍ لاَ يَسَّمَّعُونَ إِلَى الْمَلَإِ الْأَعْلَى وَيُقْذَفُونَ مِنْ كُلِّ جَانِبٍ دُحُوراً وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ وَاصِبٌ إِلاَّ مَنْ خَطِفَ الْخَطْفَةَ فَأَتْبَعَهُ شِهَابٌ ثَاقِبٌ)

“And to guard against every rebellious devil, they cannot listen to the higher group (angels) for they are pelted from every side. Outcast and theirs is a constant (or painful) torment. Except such as snatch away something by stealing, and they are pursued by a flaming fire of piercing brightness.”

Here we see the falling meteors (which are physical) in confrontation with spiritual persons. God beats the devil with the piercing meteor. God is a spirit and the devil is a spirit. God, the spirit, beats devils, the spirits, by physical meteors. ( we will discuss this in detail in part 4 chapter 2). Then Dr. Bukai says: (but the meaning becomes ambiguous when the Koran involves considerations of a purely spiritual character with simple physical concepts for our understanding. We have been enlightened today by modern science (Page 182). Next he says: (all these contemplations seem irrelevant to the subject of this study) (page 183)

Undoubtedly, Surat Al-Safat 6-10 confronts us with a difficulty which it does not suffice to refer to it by saying (the meaning becomes ambiguous) or (this is irrelevant to this study). a book that is entitled (Koran, Taurat, Bible and Science) should have dealt with this difficulty and explained it.

How can I differentiate between a heavenly book and another?
The heavenly book contains three aspects which are not followed by a fourth.

1) Belief.. as beliefs are static which never change since the age of Adam till the day of Judgment. God to whom all glory and might belong is one with no change or alteration. The unseen is fixed and the hereafter is coming and the angels are performing their duties. This is what Christianity contradicts with the superstitions of the three hypostases.
2) reporting from God. When God to whom all glory and majesty belong provides us with a verse containing news, we would not find another verse altering this news by another because reporting is telling about an actual matter. God, to whom all glory and might belong, His telling us is an honest reporting form God. Thus, the Elephant episode is not to be reported to us and then its events change later and is told in another surat with other different details. This what the Bible contradicts with conflicting events to each other.
3) Legislation.. legislation is a set of the laws determining man’s relation to God, people, society and the universe. They define what should be done and what should not. In the bible, there are legislations that exceed those of the idolatry.

The Holy Koran is the book of God and His method. The method of God to whom all might and majesty belong was revealed to His messengers made us learn that God to whom all might and majesty belong is the one who created for us this universe and created us. The precision of creation and its greatness indicate for us the greatness of its creator. However, it cannot tell us who He is, nor what He wants from us. Therefore, God sent His messengers in order to tell us: God to whom all might and majesty belong is the one who created this universe as well as us. This necessitates thanking God.
The method of Allah shows us what God wants us to do and how we should worship Him. This necessitates thanking God. God to whom all majesty belong gave us the path and stipulated for us the method of our life in true legislation. God to whom all might and majesty belong does not differentiate between any of us and does not prefer one to another but according to piety. We are all created equals before God to whom all might and majesty belong.

**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 18-01-2008, 14:38

Hence, the true Sharia (Islamic law) of God and the true saying and the true judgment all come from God. As for the legislations of humans, they are all filled with bias and prejudice distinguishing some from others, and this is what we find in the Bible and we find also that it has taken the rights of others so that it gives them to others. Hence, we find in each human method a human injustice. Nevertheless, we are not to discuss such matters at the moment.

Next, William Campbell turns to another very important point which I would like to find a Christian discussing and here I am, I find William Campbell providing us with the most considerable evidence that the interpreters of the so-called Book are ignorant and may interpret it according to their whims in ignorance, lying and forgery.

William Campbell discusses the impossibility of matters correlation (spiritual and material) which are how God throws spiritual (devils) by the (material) meteors. How this tangible matter (meteors) would hit an abstract spiritual creature (the devil). These words are 100% true in terms of the concept of the spiritual and the material only. However, he does not know how God created the devil and what is the matter from which he was created and I will answer this point in detail, but after I reveal that the theologians of the so-called Holy Book are wrong. I will prove through what William Campbell brought and the relation between the two (the material and the spiritual) that Jesus has come to announce in the New Testament that he is bastard.
According to the Gospel of St. Mathew (Matt) 34:10
مت 10:34
لا تظنوا اني جئت لألقي سلاما على الارض . ما جئت لألقي سلاما بل سيفا

“Don’t think that I have come to find peace on earth. I only came to find not peace but a sword.”

Here interpretation scientists claim by their saying in the interpretation of this paragraph: when Christianity spread, any Christian person would be expelled from the Jewish home. Therefore, Jesus compared himself to the sword which would break the relation between a son and his father, between the daughter and her mother. This the explanation of the paragraph discussing the relation between (the spiritual and the matter). I hope that William Campbell the donkey alive to see how his words have hits Christianity and his Jesus before they hit Islam and Koran.

Interpreters say : (Jesus compared himself to the sword which would break the relation between a son and his father). This is a falsity talk and nothing can be said about its writer except oh you a son of a nation at whose ignorance other nations laughed, why?

William Campbell admitted the impossibility of discussing something which is material and its being identical to something spiritual or material.

The science of language teaches us that a comparison is find in its position, adjective and action.

The task of the sword (because it is material) is to cut the material thing such as killing or suiting anything such as beheading, separating the head from the body, amputating a hand, a leg, bread , meat … or any material thing.

However, the comparison in this paragraph contradicts mind and logic and makes the sword whose function is to cut the material thing has changed and its meaning has turned into cutting an abstract thing and this is an error, how?

As the relation between parents and their children and the daughter in law and her mother in law is a spiritual relation, then how would then the sword whose task is originally to deal with the material thing would turn to deal with the abstract thing.

Therefore, the interpretation provided by interpreters of the Holy Book is a falsity because they do not understand a single letter in the rules of Arabic or any other language, so they have forged the rules of languages in order to assert their erroneous ideas.

For example, how could I say that I may prevent someone to talk to himself by hitting him with a stick? Can a stick regulate and control the inner senses of man?

Hence, we find that the above-mentioned sentence is meant to denote spilling blood, killing and separation because this is the quality of the sword not what the priests claim by the false interpretation.

This sentence does not have the conditions for the m etaphor; therefore, where did you get the comparison word (sword)?

**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 18-01-2008, 14:39

Let’s conclude finally that the Holy Book has mistakes. However, you should phrase a new sentence rather than this sentence because it is an erroneous sentence. Jesus according to the Christian fellow did not err. If the Christ Jesus, son of Miriam, mentioned this sentence and became at fault which is impossible. However, the fault may be with the translation and this is a scandal. The mistakes which happened with the few occurred also with the many. This proves the deviation because the mistake in the heavenly book is considered a deviation provided that the sentence fails according to all linguistic rules. Thus, it should be omitted from the Holy Book as it is a shame, so its presence or omission is considered as shame.

As for asserting that the sword indicated in the paragraph stated by Jesus is a spiritual sword is mere superstition, for we never heard before that there is a spiritual sword which exists in addition to the material sword. If we agree with these declarations, we would say to William Campbell that he is insane and ignorant because there are material meteors and spiritual meteors. It is certain that William Campbell would not approve this. Thus, who is ignorant among them: theologians who interpreted the Bible, William Campbell or Jesus? The reason here is his ignorance in the speech and his inability to discuss the two elements of comparison.

If we use the evidence method which William Campbell is calling for since the beginning of this subject by collecting sentences from other chapters or all the stated cues in the whole book and comparing them with the word in question, we will find the following:
لو 22:38
فقالوا يارب هو ذا سيفان . فقال لهم يكفى
Gospel of Luke 38:22
“They said OH Lord, here are two swords. He said to them they are enough.”

Saint John with the Golden mouth that these two swords were only two large knives that were with Peter and John.
مر 47:14
فاستل واحد من الحاضرين السيف و ضرب عبد رئيس الكهنة فقطع رأسه

“One of these present unsheathed the sword and hit the slave of the Archbishop, so he cut his ear”

Thus by using the evidence as indicated by William Campbell, we conclude finally that Jesus came to carry the sword in front of everyone like bullies. As for Jesus saying:
لا تظنوا اني جئت لألقي سلاما على الارض . ما جئت لألقي سلاما بل سيفا

“Don’t think that I have come to find peace on earth. I only came to find not peace but a sword.”

It meant here the material sword that we all know as all the evidence agreed on that there is no such thing called a spiritual or abstract sword but there exists only a material sword.

We turn now to the second points which are William Campbell saying:

The objective of every reading or writing in any book is to find religious facts and the most important religious question: Is there a god? Then, how can I know him and establish a relation with him? We will find books on biology or chemistry scientifically correct; however, they never state the word God (Allah).

Therefore, I would like to ask Mr. William one question: I do not side for a Christian sect, but I follow the same style of yours. Hence, I say: all Christian sects do not recognize the completion of Esther Book. However, all admit the Esther Book contains nine chapters and another tenth final chapter that includes only three numbers. Due to the presence of the differences among the Christian sects concerning the completion of the Esther Book, I will talk with you only about the ten agreed upon chapters among all Christian sects, so I say to you:

You say : The objective of every reading or writing in any book is to find religious facts and the most important religious question: Is there a god? Then, how can I know him and establish a relation with him? We will find books on biology or chemistry scientifically correct; however, they never state the word God (Allah).

The question raised now: Do you have single evidence or a single paragraph, a single t ext, a single sentence, a single word that states the name of Allah (God) in the Esther Book? You will not find such thing not even by hint, suggestion or any style such as a m etaphor. It does not even discuss any matters of faith or a heavenly law. It is rather a story whose parts of it are quoted from the stories of Cinderella and parts of Aly Baba and The Forty Thieves…

**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 18-01-2008, 14:39

What is then the difference between a book on biology, chemistry or a book on children tales in which the name of Allah (God) was not mentioned and that book of Esther? Who is his writer? When was it written? The writer is anonymous as well as the time.

William Campbell says:

Surat Al-Safat 6:37 (it belongs to the first Meccan Age)
(إِنَّا زَيَّنَّا السَّمَاءَ الدُّنْيَا بِزِينَةِ الْكَوَاكِبِ)
Verily we have adorned the near heaven with the stars (for beauty)

There is no problem concerning this. However, our readings of the following verses would raise a religious problem the verses 7 -10 of Surat Alt Safat say:

(وَحِفْظاً مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْطَانٍ مَارِدٍ لاَ يَسَّمَّعُونَ إِلَى الْمَلَإِ الْأَعْلَى وَيُقْذَفُونَ مِنْ كُلِّ جَانِبٍ دُحُوراً وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ وَاصِبٌ إِلاَّ مَنْ خَطِفَ الْخَطْفَةَ فَأَتْبَعَهُ شِهَابٌ ثَاقِبٌ)

“And to guard against every rebellious devil, they cannot listen to the higher group (angels) for they are pelted from every side. Outcast and theirs is a constant (or painful) torment. Except such as snatch away something by stealing, and they are pursued by a flaming fire of piercing brightness.”

Here we find the falling meteors 9material) in confrontation with spiritual beings. God hits the devil by the piercing meteor, God is a spirit, the devil is a spirit, God the spirit hit the spiritual devils with material meteors.

Firstly: the most serious and worst kind of polytheism and infidelity is to compare the entity of God to that of the devil.
William Campbell’s saying that God is a spirit and the devil is a spirit means that the matter of God’s entity is the same as that of the devil. This is impossible to be believed by a sensible rational person. Thus, this is the severest polytheism.

If the Bible states this, then it is known that it is a book of atheism and what it contains denotes that it is a devilish book as the devil is the one who attempts to equal himself to God. However, you read but you don not contemplate.

God’s wisdom made the Jinn assume the power to perform things unattainable by man such as speed, penetrating through barriers and overcoming some causes. Hence, the Jinn may penetrate through walls or bodies as this is the nature of the fire by which they were created as stated by the Holy Koran and not by the superstitions of the Bible. The Jinn reached an extent of smoothness and transparency that they had such permeability that they could penetrate through anything. However, God to whom belongs all might and majesty meant to explain to the jinn: do not think that your elemental is the one that gave you this distinction; rather, it is the will of the creator. Does this mean that the Jinn have no body? Does this mean that God is unable to burn or kill the jinn?

If we use the method of evidence that William Campbell is calling for but he ignored it in this respect, we say: Almighty God said:

قال تعالى :
قَالَ عِفْريتٌ مِّنَ الْجِنِّ أَنَا آتِيكَ بِهِ قَبْلَ أَن تَقُومَ مِن مَّقَامِكَ وَإِنِّي عَلَيْهِ لَقَوِيٌّ أَمِينٌ
[النمل39]

[An ‘Ifrit’ (strong one) of the Jinn said: “ I will bring it to you before you rise from your place (council). And verily, I am indeed strong and trustworthy for such work]
قال تعالى :
َيَوْمَ يِحْشُرُهُمْ جَمِيعًا يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ قَدِ اسْتَكْثَرْتُم مِّنَ الإِنسِ وَقَالَ أَوْلِيَآؤُهُم مِّنَ الإِنسِ رَبَّنَا اسْتَمْتَعَ بَعْضُنَا بِبَعْضٍ وَبَلَغْنَا أَجَلَنَا الَّذِيَ أَجَّلْتَ لَنَا قَالَ النَّارُ مَثْوَاكُمْ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا إِلاَّ مَا شَاء اللّهُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ حَكِيمٌ عَليمٌ
[الأنعام128]
[And on the day when He (God) will gather them (all) together (and say) : “O you assembly of Jinn! Many did you mislead of men,” and their Auliya (friends and helpers) amongst men will say: “ Our Lord! We benefited (enjoyed) one from the other, but now we have reached our appointed term which you did appoint for us.” He will say: “The fire be your dwelling place, you will therein forever, except as Allah may will. Certainly your lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing]

These verses explain that the Jinn have a body, then how can they get the throne, and how they say (We benefited (enjoyed) one from the other) while they have no body?
If we move on to the Bible in order to watch the devil’s steps, we find the following:
The devil was embodied for Job

سفر أيوب 1: 14
ان رسولا جاء الى ايوب و قال البقر كانت تحرث و الاتن ترعى بجانبها
Job Book 14:1
[A messenger came to Job and said the cows were ploughing while the female donkeys were pasteurizing next to them]
The devil was embodied for Jesus

مت 4:1
ثم أصعد يسوع الى البرية من الروح ليجرب من ابليس
Matt 1:4
{Then Jesus climbed to the wilderness from the spirit in order to experience by Satan}
Angels are embodied

تك 16:11
وقال لها ملاك الرب ها انت حبلى فتلدين ابنا . وتدعين اسمه اسماعيل لان الرب قد سمع لمذلّتك
Genesis 11:16
[The angel of the Lord said to here you are pregnant, then you will give birth to a son and call himIshmael as the Lord responded to your imploring.]
The donkey sees the angel of the Lord
عد 22:27
فلما ابصرت الاتان ملاك الرب ربضت تحت بلعام . فحمي غضب بلعام وضرب الاتان بالقضيب
Numbers Book 22:27
When the ass saw the angel of the LORD there, she cowered under Balaam. So, in anger, he again beat the ass with his stick.
[LIST][*]if the ass saw the lord's angel whereas Balaam did not, this would indicate that if we are not able to see devils; this would not necessarily mean that they do not have bodies.[/LIST]
Here is the Christianity god embodied in a sheep
رؤ 17:14
هؤلاء سيحاربون الخروف والخروف يغلبهم لانه رب الارباب وملك الملوك والذين معه مدعوون ومختارون ومؤمنون
Book of Revelation 14:17
These will fight the sheep and the sheep will defeat them as it is the lord of lords and king of kings and those with him are summoned, selected and believers.

Here is the Christianity god embodied in a pigeon
يو 1:32
وشهد يوحنا قائلا اني قد رأيت الروح نازلا مثل حمامة من السماء فاستقر عليه

John 32:1
And John witnessed saying I saw the spirit descending like a pigeon from the sky then he rested on it.

Thus, we conclude that regardless the matter nature of the created being and if we see it or not, it has a body (as we stated in the talk of the ass to Balaam) and in the same way God created matter that affects the body of the Jinn which are the meteors.

The air which we do not see, its components can be burned if exposed to a high temperature. Therefore, the air would turn to something else rather than what we call air. Hence, what prevents meteors to burn devils?

Mr. William Campbell you are slandering yourself and your faith and you are attacking it indirectly; rather, you are demolishing and uprooting it.

William Campbell says:
Dr. Bukai says: the creation day in the Bible is 24 hours; however, the saying of Dr. Bukai has greatly erred and we cannot confirm how the people of Qreysh interpreted the meaning of the word (day) as it was stated in Koran, is it a decade or 24 hours? And when we look at the evidence in the Holy Book, we say: if the word يوم (day) in Arabic means a decade, why then the word يوم (day) in the Holy Book does not mean a decade as well?
It was stated in Peter 7:3-9
Then he started moving to the right and to the left trying to prove what is meant by the word day as stated in the Genesis Book at the beginning of creating the skies and the earth in the first chapter as denoting a decade and not day and he said: what was mentioned in the Bible concerning the word day is identical to what was stated in the Koran by using the method of evidence (2 Peter 7:3-9) and comparing it to the first chapter of the Genesis Book.

It is so strange that we find corruption and perversity are the only weapons used by Christian religious men in order to defend their beliefs.
Do these proofs suffice to prove that the six days in which God created the sky and the earth as stated in the Genesis Book are the days which the Earth people know are they days of different calculations as stated in 2 Peter 7:3-9?

I am perplexed at the cross people followers of the Jews, do they laugh at us or at themselves. The greatest tragedy is that the Christian who reads for another Christian would believe at us or at themselves. calculations as sttaed teh hours? and uprooting it.
d those with him are summonedin him even if his article is erroneous.

It was stated in the Exodus Book that Saturday is the seventh day during which God rested (God Forbid).

خر 20:11
لان في ستة ايام صنع الرب السماء والارض والبحر وكل ما فيها .واستراح في اليوم السابع . لذلك بارك الرب يوم السبت وقدّسه
Exodus 11: 20
Because in six days the Lord made the sky, the earth, the sea and all it contains, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the Lord blessed and sanctified Saturday.

Hence, the whole story does not need any evidence; rather, it needs life reality as the Old Testament indicated more than once regarding maintaining Saturday as it the day during which God rested (God Forbid). The church replaced this day by force without any justification, while the legalism and the Ten Commandments approved maintaining Saturday; however, Christianity in boots tread on the Bible.

سفر التثنية 7 :9
فَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ الرَّبَّ إِلَهَكُمْ هُوَ اللهُ ، الإِلَهُ الأَمِينُ الْوَفِيُّ بِالْعَهْدِ وَالإِحْسَانِ لِمُحِبِّيهِ وَحَافِظِي وَصَايَاهُ إِلَى أَلْفِ جِيلٍ.
Deuteronomy Book 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.
Thus, we conclude that the six days stated in the first chapter of the Genesis Book are intended to mean six earthly days.
It is strange that William Campbell cited the writers Newman and AcKliman; however, he is quite insistent on his opinion. This is complete madness.
William Campbell says: the two writers (Newman and Ackliman)11 state:
(We do not need a lengthy study for the meaning of a word in Hebrew, as it quite often mean the time in which the sun rises which is around 12 hours (Genesis 5:1 & 14A) in addition, it means as well a day and a night i.e. 24 hours (Genesis 14:1 B) and Numbers 13:3) which may mean a temporal decade (Genesis 4:2 and Ecclesiastes 3:12)
Here we find that Newman and Ackliman proved that the time of the day as stated in the first chapter of Genesis Book is 24 hours and not as what William Campbell claims that what is meant by day is a decade.
By God, this is extremely funny. He cites a source in order to confute the sayings of Dr. Bukai; however, the source confirms rather than contradicts.

"وَيَمْكُرُونَ وَيَمْكُرُ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
سورة الأنفال- الأية 30
"They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah."

**نسيبة بنت كعب** · 18-01-2008, 14:40

William Campbell started pouring his attack on Dr. Bukai accusing him of his ignorance of the Bible because Dr. Bukai proved that the Bible did not mention the moment of the creation of the skies and the earth and that the Bible is completely far from all the scientific theories and that there is a difference between (الماء) water and (الدخان) smoke. For the second time, William Campbell offers us the evidence for authenticity of Dr. Bukai. The sayings of Dr. Newman and Ackliman included what states that the stage preceding the earth creation permits believing in the existence of a gaseous mass in the first stage of the universe formation. In addition asserting that water existed in that period is quite erroneous . hence, we repeat the Koranic verse:

"وَيَمْكُرُونَ وَيَمْكُرُ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
"They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah."
Then William Campbell claims that the word (المياه) i.e. as mentioned in the Genesis Book 1:2 would have many meanings:
سفر تكوين 1: 2
و كانت الارض خربة و خالية و على وجه الغمر ظلمة و روح الله يرف على وجه المياه
Genesis Book 1:2
The earth was abandoned and void and on the face of water depths a darkness while the spirit of God flickered on the face of water
He said that the word (ماء و مياه) i.e. water and waters have a wider meaning than is seen by the eye at the very first sight as the word waters مياهis the plural of the word water ماء … is not this a funny joke that bursts for us at the ignorance of William Campbell?
Rather, the most overwhelming is that he says that the meaning of the word waters مياه in the Genesis Book 2:1 is unspecified: it may be vapour, clouds, drops or ice or any other fluids.
However, William Campbell got stupid, overlooked and pretended that the Bible clarified the steps of the skies and earth creation while he ignored the saying of both Dr. Newman and Dr. Ackliman as they said: the stage preceding the earth creation and the Genesis Book started immediately after the creation of the skies and earth not beyond their creation.
The idea of the creation of the skies and the earth in the Bible as stated in the Genesis Book reveals to us that the Bible followed the words of the philosopher Emanuel Kant, Carl Marx and Frederick Angels who said that the universe exist in all times and the inexistence of the moment of its beginning is widely acceptable and the Bible did not discuss the method of the beginning moment of the skies and earth creation; rather, it described the creation of the beings which will be contained in the skies and the earth..
The Christian may object to my words as he did not read the Genesis Book clearly where it said:
تكوين 1
فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ، 2وَإِذْ كَانَتِ الأَرْضُ مُشَوَّشَةً وَمُقْفِرَةً وَتَكْتَنِفُ الظُّلْمَةُ وَجْهَ الْمِيَاهِ، وَإِذْ كَانَ رُوحُ اللهِ يُرَفْرِفُ عَلَى سَطْحِ الْمِيَاهِ .. ترجمة كتاب الحياة .
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.… translated of the Life Book.
Priest Antonious Fekry said in his interpretation of these editions: the earth was void and vacant: the earth here denotes all that belongs to matter. It is what is called primordial matter. It is the primary non-formed matter and the word waste and void (Chaos) is supposed to precede the current form of the universe in English i.e. distorted, without form and void in Hebrew Tahoe and Bahoe and in English waste inappropriate for life void of any beauty covered with darkness and the seventies translation translated it as unseen and incomplete.
On the face of deluge lied darkness: الغمر i.e. deluge in Hebrew indicates the meaning of depth and distortion. The word غمر is not used as the waters immersed everything deeply. Darkness emerged from the extreme temperature of the earth in its beginning made waters evaporate and form fog and vapour that prevented light from the earth surface.
The spirit of God flickered on the face of waters : the word روح spirit and the word ريح wind is the same word in Hebrew and Greek. It is among the Jewish traditions that when they say the spirit of God to mean a great wind. We Christians interpret this verse to mean that the Holy spirit flickered on waters to give life and create a beautiful world…. End of the priest words.

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