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  • The Quran & The Bible in the light of Science and History

    Dear Sisters and Brothers

    Dear Muslims and Non Muslims

    This is an open invitation to follow with us the translation of this Great Work of Our valued member Al Saif Al Battatr and his Refutation of the allegations and slanders against The Holy Quraan

    May God make us causes to your guidance to His straight path

    Ameeeeeeeen
    التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة نسيبة بنت كعب; الساعة 26-10-2007, 10:54.

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    القرآن والكتاب المقدس في نور التاريخ والعلم (01)
    https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15774
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    https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15847
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    القرآن والكتاب المقدس في نور التاريخ والعلم (03)
    https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15898
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    القرآن والكتاب المقدس في نور التاريخ والعلم (10)
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      Gzakom allah kayrah dear sister nesibah

      Related video

      https://www.ebnmaryam.com/web/modules...y&vidmod_cat=3

      لا يتم الرد على الرسائل الخاصة المرسلة على هذا الحساب.

      أسئلكم الدعاء وأرجو ان يسامحني الجميع
      وجزاكم الله خيرا

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        may allah reward u for that great work sister, but i have notice the right title for that topic is :
        The Quran & The Bible in light of Science and History
        because there is a big defferance between the gospel and the bible.
        wa as-slamo alikom

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          Thank You brother Shabaka

          The video is a very good material indeed
          I have all Zakir Naik's CDs and I wish to upload them fomewhere and give them as a didcation of Atba3 Al Mursaleen


          Can You help or suggest a way ?

          Awaiting

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            المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة أبو حفص الأيوبى مشاهدة المشاركة
            may allah reward u for that great work sister, but i have notice the right title for that topic is :
            The Quran & The Bible in light of Science and History
            because there is a big defferance between the gospel and the bible.
            wa as-slamo alikom

            Indeed brother Abu Hafs

            The Bible is the ( Holy book ) الكتاب المقدس

            while the Gospel is the انجيل

            There is a great difference of course

            Thus , I request to change the Title to the Bible instead

            Brother Shabaka , Appreciate doing the needful
            التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة نسيبة بنت كعب; الساعة 26-10-2007, 16:28.

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              Thank you brother Shabaka for changing the title as requested

              Regards

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                Part (1) 0

                Answering
                Quran and the Bible in the Light of History and Science
                By: William Campbell

                In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds. A praise exceeding that of the grateful, the Lord of the first and last of humanity, a praise that can be a satisfaction and preserving for us with the Lord of the worlds the Most Gracious, Most Merciful who expanded regions and chose Moses as a speaker and he is the giver life to bones when they are rotten, the Most Gracious, Most Merciful, Master of the Day of Judgment. In his reign there is no disputer, a partner, minister, nor a chancellor. Oh You God are our protector and guardian against all human and Jinn demons and our sustainer for the closest relatives and the strangers. We are Your weak worshippers, Thee do we serve, we admit our errors and we repent to You for our wrongdoings. We witness that there is no God but Allah, no peer, no resemblance to Him, the Lord of glory and honor, and we witness that our master, our lord, our beloved, our revered example, our intercessor, our companion and our leader, master of mankind, beloved of the Lord and the pearl of the existence, the most generous worshipper to the worshipped, savior of mankind and liberator of their minds, the best in humanity and the best to tread on earth, the best one to witness sunrise, rather he is the sun of the world, light, splendor and delight. His saliva is a medicine, his breath is cure and his sweat is the most aromatic perfume. He is most beautiful in mankind, the most glamorous pearl, he captures passions and attracts hearts, an enjoyment for sight and a cure fro eyes. When he speaks, hearts listen to him before hearing, how many terrified hearts, he had cured and how many of these who were about to get astray and be lost he guided. He was the best to live and die of humanity, our prophet Mohammed, God's worshipper and prophet (Prayers Be upon Him). And Thee do we beseech for help in each and every matter of life whether sweet or bitter and Thee do we beseech for help for the hereafter matters. You, the guide of the drifters, Keep us on the right path, the path of the prophets, and the truthful and the martyrs and the good those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, successors of monkeys and pigs nor of those who go astray, invaders and aggressors people of the cross, followers of the Jews whose churches were stained by the deflowering blood of girls caused by the acts of their priests and monks. Sufficient into us is God and how a good supporter. May you God be in their necks and we implore to you to protect us against their evils, revenge from them and shake earth under their feet and stir in their hearts terror and show us your wonderful ability and make them wish for death but cannot reach it and increase their worldly and afterlife torture … Amen, Amen, Amen, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds.

                Christians ( people of the Cross ) , followers of the Jews think that when a Muslim reads a book by an orientalist or a person who praises Islam, Quran, and the beloved prophet. He would feel as if owning the whole world and all it has on its face as what is said about Morris Bouake and his book: "Quran, Torah, Bible and Science).

                No, you nation that other nations laughed at its ignorance because when a Muslim circulates this book, this does not mean what your devil whispered to your ears. Rather, the Muslim would spread this book in order to reveal to enemies of Islam that there are rational people among you who perfectly know the true value of Islam and has studied it with the spirit of investigation and seeking the right not with the intention of the spirit of spite and hatred as you do.

                The reason (rational thinking) which you lack indicates that Quran does not need what to confirm its verity as the case with your the so-called Holy Book. Your book does not have a single authority to prove its validity. Rather, churches stupidly depend on the saying that the Bible testifies for itself on its own verity. However, they ignored the fact that a mad person would testify for himself that he is sane. Thus, we need a neutral side such as a doctor to confirm whether he is sane or insane.

                The most proper thing is that their book would have firstly original handwritten m a n u s c r i p t s by their prophets that conform to the present ones at hand. However, such m a n u s c r i p t s do not exist and if found, then for any holy book of a Christian sect would these m a n u s c r i p t s testify? Would they conform to the holy books of Protestants, Orthodoxies, or Catholics? Therefore, you turned to trifle sayings that do not relate to the world of the rational. The Holy Book testifies for itself and such writer and such writer testifies for the verity of the Holy book as if we are watching a scene of the Arabic movie "The Mad enjoy happiness".

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                  Orientalists

                  The dirty method followed by an orientalist or an enemy of Islam is to turn in his dialogue with a Muslim who does not know much about his religion except the natural disposition which God the Great and Almighty bestowed into him and through which this enemy would set a trap for him. Later, he would say to you: "I have talked to several Muslims and said so and so and the least they said that your book is distorted. However, when this pig orientalist confronts a Muslim who is well-informed in science as well as religion dialogue science, you find him escaping hurrying quickly to hide back in his burrow lest he would be exposed before people.

                  Fighting God

                  People of the cross followers of the Jews wonder at God's saying, praise the Lord to him belongs might and majesty:
                  "
                  God treats you according to the same way you apply when dealing with others because you always use the cunning method; therefore, God applies the same method with you"

                  You claim that Muslims are liars when they say that you distorted your book. However, this is what your devil whispered and tempted you to do, but you neglected the fact that God to whom belongs might and majesty is the one who said this not Muslims. If you fight, you are fighting God and the result of this war is known for everyone. Be he raised far above said:


                  "مِّنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُواْ يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِ"
                  سورة النساء 46
                  "Of those who are Jews (there are those who) alter words from their places"
                  (E-Neaa Surat- Verse No. 46)

                  فَبِمَا نَقْضِهِم مِّيثَاقَهُمْ لَعَنَّاهُمْ وَجَعَلْنَا قُلُوبَهُمْ قَاسِيَةً يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِ
                  سورة المائدة – 13
                  But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places
                  (Al-Maeda Surat- Verse No. 13)


                  "وَمِنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُواْ سَمَّاعُونَ لِلْكَذِبِ سَمَّاعُونَ لِقَوْمٍ آخَرِينَ لَمْ يَأْتُوكَ يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ مِن بَعْدِ مَوَاضِعِهِ"
                  سورة المائدة – 41

                  "And from among those who are Jews; they are listeners for the sake of a lie, listeners for another people who have not come to you; they alter the words from their places,"
                  (Al-Maeda Surat- Verse No. 41)

                  God to whom belongs all might and majesty indicates in Quran how to identify the Torah and Bible according to his saying to him belongs all majesty and might:


                  "الَّذِينَ يَتَّبِعُونَ الرَّسُولَ النَّبِيَّ الأُمِّيَّ الَّذِي يَجِدُونَهُ مَكْتُوبًا عِندَهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَالإِنْجِيلِ يَأْمُرُهُم بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَاهُمْ عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ وَيُحِلُّ لَهُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتِ وَيُحَرِّمُ عَلَيْهِمُ الْخَبَائِثَ وَيَضَعُ عَنْهُمْ إِصْرَهُمْ وَالأَغْلاَلَ الَّتِي كَانَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ فَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ بِهِ وَعَزَّرُوهُ وَنَصَرُوهُ وَاتَّبَعُواْ النُّورَ الَّذِي أُنزِلَ مَعَهُ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ"
                  سورة الأعراف- 157
                  "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (s c r i p t u r e s ures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honor him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."
                  (Al-Aaraf Surat- Verse No. 157)


                  "وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُم مُّصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِن بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَذَا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ"
                  سورة الصف- 6

                  "And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
                  (El-Suf Surat- Verse No. 6)


                  Quran does not testify for the Holy Book

                  Thus, we have judged whoever is tempted by evil to say that the Quran testifies for the so-called holy book. Hence when we faced People of the cross followers of the Jews demanding to demonstrate these verses which God mentioned for us in order to differentiate between Torah and the Bible and any other book as the book called holy, we found that People of the cross followers of the Jews state these verses believing that we will be delighted to find the prophecy of our master Mohamed Prayers Be Upon Him and this what was their devil tempted them to do. However, the truth is that their denial for what came in the Quran concerning what books they have is the definite evidence for the verity of Quran and that it is a book revealed by God…
                  Why
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                  التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة نسيبة بنت كعب; الساعة 26-10-2007, 23:02.

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                    Distortion of the proves the verity of Quran

                    Because God to whom belongs all majesty and might said that He has made them keepers of Torah and Bible (Surat- Al-Maeda Verse No. 44) and they have distorted words; in other words, they altered words and they said that this comes from God while it does not. Then God the Great and Almighty said that the Bible and Torah were distorted. Thus, if we find what God has indicated concerning the prophecy of God's Apostle in the Torah and Bible to prove their verity, we would say: Oh God where what you said about their distortion words from their places while the prophecy of our prophet Mohamed prayers Be Upon Him is included in their books?!

                    Thus, the book the so-called holy testifies that the Quran comes from God and we do not need, do not investigate nor it matters for us whether the prophecy of our prophet Mohamed Prayers Be Upon Him is crystal clear or even hinted or suggested in their book.


                    Tears of crocodiles

                    Dr. William Campbell states: (he did not mention to us from where he obtained the doctorate certificate due to his ignorance) that he cried because Muslims shouted at his face saying that your book is distorted. However, when he went to the British Museum in London to see one among the oldest m a n u s c r i p t s of the holy book which was Sinaiticus dating back to 350, his crying turned from sadness crying to happiness crying and he still cries while he is writing this book "Quran and the Holy Book in the Light of History and Science "

                    I was so greatly touched when reading these words that I tried hard to be fair with William Campbell in what he says, but I did not find but superstitions, ignorance and stupidity which I never found before in a single person; rather the most surprising thing is that he is a physician.

                    I expected that he would break to us the most surprising news in life and say that he found in the British Museum in London, the original manu s c r i p t s written by Jesus disciples by their own handwriting in the first or second half of the first century. However, he speaks about manu s c r i p t s belonging to the fourth century (Sinaiticus )manu s c r i p t s In other words, he found recorded manu s c r i p t s of the three hundred years since Christ Eisa Ibn Maryam (PBUH) was lifted to the sky without being crucified as stated in the Holy Quran as reported by the Lord to whom belongs all majesty and might.
                    التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة نسيبة بنت كعب; الساعة 27-10-2007, 00:18.

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                    • #11
                      Scandal of the Bible Man u s c r i p t s

                      It is reported that it was stated in the glossary of the Holy Book the statement: The Holy Book t e x t God revealed his word to prophets and messengers who pronounced it according to the agreed upon terminology of mankind languages. Therefore, the inspired writer would either scribe by himself what was revealed to him or to dictate it on a scriber that wrote it for him (they have no examples). However, we haven't get anything yet of the original versions written by these inspired or their scribers. All that reached us are versions (copies) taken of this origin. Although scribers cared about these versions greatly, there was no way that some marginal dictation defaults were leaked to them. (However, they did not determine to us what are these dictation defaults taking into consideration that a fault in a letter would destroy complete faith).

                      The website of God's Christian home was included within the topic "infallibility of the Holy Book"

                      Loss of the original Man u sc r i pts

                      We indicated in the first chapter that the holy book is the one that has the greatest number of ancient M a n u s c r i p t s . Some people may know that all these M a n u s c r i p t s do not contain original versions and written by the revelation scribers or those who undertook writing for them. All these original M a n u s c r i p t s were lost and no one knows anything about their destiny.

                      However, the informed scholar may not wonder for this at all because there are not at the moment any M a n u s c r i p t s dating back to this far past. It is taken for granted that the Holy book is among the most ancient written books in the world, its first books (أسفار) were written about 3500 years ago.

                      We think that the secret underlying God's allowance to lose all the original M a n u s c r i p t s of the revelation is that the human heart in its nature likes to sanctify and worship the sacred waste. Therefore, what would those, who were worshipping the waste of saints, do if these M a n u s c r i p t s exist here in our hands? What worship that does not match but God would be offered to these M a n u s c r i p t s written by revelation scribers themselves?
                      to be continued .... stay tuned
                      التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة نسيبة بنت كعب; الساعة 26-10-2007, 23:12.

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                      • #12
                        Dear Brother Shabaka

                        I appreciate having a Banner advertising this topic/thread.

                        Thank you

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                          sent for Al Azhar for revising and authorized to be a published book
                          I just want to ask about that point,
                          which book will sent to Al Azhar the arabic one or the translation?

                          it'll be better if we sent the two versions (the arabic and the english)

                          about the banner i suggest brother Asd El dien to be the designer of it ,
                          because he is the best one for that job

                          wa allahu al musta'an
                          التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة أبو حفص الأيوبى; الساعة 27-10-2007, 16:11.

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                            Dear Brother Abu Hafs

                            Both versions are intended to be sent for sure

                            In fact ,I wanted to send the original material ( the Arabic ) first so that I build my translation on an authorized work . This may be the best bet


                            But since we sent one book before and it took ages to get a reply , I won't waste time again , I will have my job done and look forward for the opinion of the author : Al Saif Al Battar

                            As for the Banner I explained that Shabaka said " after the job is finished not while it is still in process" .

                            Thank you for the time spent in my page .

                            Best Regards

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                              Faults during the copying process


                              However, it was not that the original copies were lost. Rather, the copying process was not void of mistakes and errors. Nevertheless, this copying process was not easy then; rather, the copier experienced a great deal of difficulty in addition to experiencing mistakes in copying. This fault was subject to multiplicity when repeating the copying and so on. While the jews scribers made a miraculous effort in order to maintain God's sayings with complete accuracy as we said in the previous chapter, this does not mean that the copying process was void of mistakes.

                              Kinds of expected errors in the copying process were many such as the following:
                              (1) Omission of a letter, a word or even sometimes a whole line as the eye would unintentionally fall on the next line.

                              (2) Unintentional repetition of a word or a line in contrast to the former error

                              (3) Spelling mistakes of a word

                              (4) Auditory mistakes: when someone dictates the manusc r i p t s to a scriber. If the scriber misheard a word, he would write it as he heard it. This is what actually happened with some ancient manus c r i p t s when copying the verse mentioned in Mata 19: 24 "دخول جمل من ثقب الأبرة" (Entrance of a camel through the needle's hole). Therefore, they were written in some copies as the entering of a ""حبل(rope) from the needle's hole, because the Greek word rope closely resembles the word camel and because the idea is not far-fetched!

                              (5) Memory mistakes: the scriber depends on the memory in writing part of a verse. This seems to be the reason that a copier wrote the verse stated in Afses 5 :9 "Spirit fruits" while the original t e x t was "light fruits". This happened by relying on his memory in learning by heart the verse stated in Galatia 5 :22 as well as "God's day" in 2 Botros 3 :12 was written in some versions " The Lord's Day" due to the spread of this expression in several places in both the new and old testament; rather, it was stated in the same book in A 10.

                              (6) Adding the written footnotes as a comment at the side of the page as if included in the متن. This seems to be a reason in adding some parts which were not stated in the most ancient and precise copies such as the statement " The pathers are not according to body built according to the spirit" in Romia 8 :1 as well as the statement (Who witness is sky are three …) stated in 1 Youhna 7 :5.

                              Then they claimed lying that the bibliography science has proven the verity of the manus c r i p t s taking into consideration that the bibliography science is not the science that proves the verity of the manus c r i p ts; rather it is the science called Codeology and not bibliography putting in mind that there is no single docu ment that proves that the discovered manus c r i p ts were precisely copied from the original handwritten manusc r i p t s by the disciples

                              If we use our minds to prove that the current book named the Holy book is the word of God, we will not find evidence proving this except the existence of the original manus c r i p t s scribed by the disciples, because the only science that confirms the validity of the Bible is the science of doc u ments , as approved by the scientists and science.

                              Chronic headaches that struck Christian denominations

                              However, another problem will remain: what is the manus c r i p t s which we hope to emerge? It is the manus c ri pts which confirms the validity of the Bible for the Catholic or Protestant or Orthodox, or the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Seventh Day Adventists or .......etc..

                              We conclude this introduction by these words:

                              Dr. William Campbell put himself in another dilemma by drawing on another manus c r i p t s because the German scientist Chendrov (1859) found a Parnaiba's letter and Hermas' letter the Shepherd within the Sinaiticus manus c r i pts which indicates their being as sacred messages during a period of time. However, the church has followed the racism method; therefore, it acknowledged the manuscr ipts which appeal to them as for the rest of the manus c r i pts they considered Abokreva including manus c r i p t s for evolution book so that they only agree with the name of the current evolution book while the c o ntent differs wholly, but the church considered it among the Abocreva.

                              The writings (manuscr i p t s ), which were found in the caves proved beyond a doubt that the Bible used by people of former times (the ancestors) contained more books than the Present books of the Jews and Christians. Therefore, we could not talk about the honesty in transferring the Bible, for the honest does not add books and the honest does not decrease them. If what was in caves were true, subsequently, the Old Testament was distorted through altering and cancelling several books and the ancestors who placed these manus c r i p t s within these caves were distorters and forgers. The forger and the distorter's testimony is not accepted in court.

                              Anyway, discovering the manus c r i p ts was a surprise for the church like the impact of earthquakes on ruined houses. This confirmed for everybody that churches are deceiving and dishonest with their visitors. Here are biblical websites on the internet and Christianity in general and manus c r i p t s continued in their lies and deceit through spreading lies and falsifying witnesses without having the courage to admit that the manus c r i p t s do not prove their right but they certainly refuted them.

                              Dr. William Campbell Says I learned Arabic in North Africa and studied Quran and the Bible .. Ended.

                              However, I wondered when I read these words asserted by a man whose profession was medicine. Nevertheless, it is evident that he has obtained the medicine certificate from a Stupid University. Thus, if the speaker is crazy, then the listener or reader should be rational.

                              No one can practice the medical profession unless after obtaining the certificate, which qualifies him for practice and issued by the university specialized to do this which is the Medicine College. No one can obtain a medical certificate from the College of Fine Arts and the same applies to the engineer and the lawyer, ... etc.,. There is a big difference between the case of a person who obtained this certificate and the one who got a Master degree or who obtained a Doctorate degree …etc. Each certificate has a higher level of education than the other.





                              التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة نسيبة بنت كعب; الساعة 28-10-2007, 13:14.

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