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Incorrect , it is Allah the almighty who decided so . And he knows best of the nature of mankind and knows it is for the best .
If by this you mean God almighty our , I agree! What is the problem?

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You should keep in mind that in Islam , Allah doesn't do or order something and then change it because he - exalted he is - found out the latter is better than the first , rather , it's because he chooses what fits certain people of certain places and times . That's why it later became forbidden to marry one's sister , something I believe the Bible says as well .
I agree, so what is the problem?

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It seems that each time I mention your doctrine , I touch a nerve . It's so sensetive that you'd turn blind for crystal clear signs of Quran and crystal clear narrations about the subject . The people of the book corrupting the message is a given and a no brainer among Muslims . Wither that's correct or not is a different subject for another thread . Still , I'll bring you the signs again :

If just the claim that the people of the book altered the message gets you worked up like that , what would happen in a conversation about the proof for it ?
Okay, you have made it clear that the Quran states the torah is corrupted, but we don't base our salvation on what is considered to be a common source for both the Muslim and the Christian. If their are any distortions in the torah it affects the Jew first, then the Christian and the Muslim, but I don't believe there are distortions. I believe it is a fabrication to say so; therefore, this point is moot. There is nothing saying that the central message of the gospel is corrupted nor is there proof. So your point is moot.

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In Arabic ?! Do I need to remind you he couldn't write or read ? And when you make the claim he heard it from someone , Allah himself answers you and the pagans who made this slander a millenia and half ago
This means nothing. Haven't you heard of oral tradition? Besides some Muslims disagree about that

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Either me not choosing proper words at translation or Catholic and Orthodox - etc - differing among each other .
I have no idea what your point is here.

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So , blind faith in short . Here you are talking about monothesim and slandering at Islam basing your slanders on ignoarnce of the testimony . You claim monotheism to yourselves and say you worship 1 . And now when I tell you about the equation , all of a sudden it isn't possible to understand ?! Indeed , creatures can't comprehend the true nature of Allah , still , we know he's one , perfect , and has no partners .
How have I slandered Islam? What have I said that was not truthful? Christians agree God is one with no partners or associations. God is one. So what is the problem? Why do you have to mention your prophet with Allah to be a Muslim if you believe no one can be associated with Allah? And you say I have nerve???

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So let me get this straight : You realize we don't claim any divine attributes to the prophet peac upon him and you STILL have the nerve say we worship him with a straight face ?!

U mad bro ? I won't get into the subject at the time , the video was just to make you get of your high horse .
While I may not be the best of my fellow members at conversations and don't have as much pateince as some of them , I do address your points .
And when I "attack" the OP (What's that ?) , I'm attacking your method .
I would rather be mad and glad than sane and sad friend. Anyone who says that their prophet is the best of creatures and must have a reverence that surpasses all of God's creation for them and must mention their love for him as an oracle of faith or sees him as the best of humans, this in my opinion is putting a man on a pedestal, and it is, IMHO, a form of man worship, and yes, I can look with a straight face dead straight in your face and tell you this. I am being as sincere as I know. I will only see God, His Spirit and word on the pedestal of my life and no other.

Blessings to you