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3abd Arahman
Regarding Christianity :
1- The beliefs of christians are built on mere conclusions, they were not taught by Christ and not even mentioned frankly in their books.
Your books do not teach trinity , trinity is just your understanding to the relation between God, the Christ and Holy spirit. Other groups of christians like Arians and Ebonites in the past and Jehova's witnesses currently believe in the same books you believe in but they don't believe in trinity because they understand them in different way.
Christ didn't say that he is God, he used to pray to God, he refused to be called good because God only is good, he stated that he doesn't know when the hour is. How can I believe that does not when is the hour is God? Do you think this is logic ? How could I believe that he is God while he himself used to say that the Father is his God?.
I never said the Bible preaches trinity or that Jesus is God the father. Trinity is not taught so how can I teach on it?, but the concept is there such as God being the father and Jesus being His word who comes from God (Not created) He is eternal and God calls Jesus His son in whom He is well pleased. We know God is Spirit and He must be worshipped in spirit and in truth. He is therefore the Holy Spirit of truth who lives in us, and He is the seal of salvation or the earnest that we'll be joint heirs with Christ and not slaves of God but true children of God, if we have been washed in the blood of the Lamb of God like the children of Israel were spared by the blood of the lamb. We too have been covered by the Lamb's blood from God who takes away our sin, but this is not so for the unbelievers just like in the day of Moses.
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3abd Arahman
2- I can't trust the Bible to be the book that is inspired from God without any falsification. The Bible says things about God that I can't believe. I can't believe a story saying that God appeared in the form of man and had a fight with Jacob Pbuh and was not able to defeat him. There are several contradictions and errors in the Bible. The writers of the different manuscripts of the Bible have been adding and omitting words and phrases and Christians admit this. How can I believe that a message that was sent from Luke to Theophilus is the word of God? It's just a message according to its writer..
It is your choice not to trust it. But how can I trust the Quran when Allah said his word is unalterable and unchangeable? The torah and gospel is his word right? The Bible wasn't written like the Quran. It is mostly written by men who bear witness to what they saw and experienced. If 10 people witness an accident and report it, not all the stories will line up exactly, because they may have seen it from different angles and they may have understood it differently than each other. This doesn't mean it didn't happen. It is a strength and not a doubt. If all their stories lined up perfectly, I would think this was couched.
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3abd Arahman
Regarding Islam :
1- Its faith is simple and so clearly mentioned in the Holy Quran. Its the same faith in which Moses Pbuh and all the prophets of the old testament believed in.
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We can say the same regarding Christianity if we exclude Muhammad.
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3abd Arahman
2- All the things that some people attack in Islam are in the Bible like Jihad and polygamy .... etc
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I attack no such things about Islam. What you say here is true and I agree, but we don't see Christians practicing Jihad and polygamy today as part of their religion; IOW, even though it happened, God is not now commanding us to live like that. I don't have a problem with having more that one wife if your in a country that allows it, and your wife agrees to it, lol, good luck to you on that. This also raises questions such as why did Muhammad have more wives than his revelation allowed, and from what I understand, Muhammad proves that plurality in marriage makes it impossible to treat all wives equally. Why the double standard. Please explain.
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3- The holy Quran and the Sunnah contain some miracles and prophecies that turned out to be true..
All the prophecies in the Bible turn out to be true, and some are yet to be fulfilled.
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4- The Bible clearly prophecizes prophet Muhammad Pbuh. .
It is only clear to some Muslims! If it were clear to me, I'd be a Muslim.
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The Quran speaks about the true Torah and the true Gospel that were inspired to Moses Pbuh and Jesus Pbuh, but the Bible that you have today according to our belief is partially true and partially falsified and Christians admit this.
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What Christians? Bart Erhman is not a Christian. The true torah and gospel was given to Muhammad and Allah didn't say it had a problem; in fact, Muhammad never said it had such a problem; so, if there were, the problem would've had to happen some time after Muhammad's death, but we can prove nothing as changed since then. The burden of proof is on you to show who changed the Bible when and where, give the motive and so on. If the Bible is so messed up, why did Muhammad borrow from it particularly the NT Bible such stories as the virgin birth of Jesus. It cannot be found in any other books, and yet Islam rejects the reason for Jesus' virgin birth. Please explain that.
I can discuss with you, but with others as well, because you are so busy that your responses come so few and far between.
Peace to you brother of humanity
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