I am aware of that verse, but if you look at it in context, you will see that they used the term to disparage Jesus; moreover, Jesus confirms this by saying "A prophet is not without honor save in his own town;" so, you are right in saying they will give account as all Muslims will for using the expression Jesus "Son of Mary." Every time one refers to Jesus as "son of Mary (SOM)," they disparage Jesus. How dare one refer to the son of God as son of His mother? How low can one go doing this and calling Jesus a thief? Satan is the one who attempts to disparage Jesus while he pretends to honor Him. Does not the Creator of the seeing eye not see or the hearing ear not hear?

May God have mercy on the souls of those who ignorantly call Him son of His mother and show them the right way, the good way and the straight path.
Those who out of willful ignorance say SOM will be punished by God the next time they do it, and they will know it.

Blessings to lovers of truth

Burninglight, I am not aware of any other prophet other than Jesus that is called by the name of his mother. I have raised this issue before, and kindly some member did say if it was offensive they would use another term when replying to posts. That I'm sure was meant in kindness, but it is not myself who is hurting here.. Or Christians in general.. Although I confess it hurts to hear The Lord Jesus referred to in this manner. Muslims do not see the hurt they commit against Jesus. I have been told in the past to always show respect to Mohammed by applying the title Prophet Mohammed or prophet of Islam. When this was pointed out to me I am happy to oblige out of respect for the feelings of muslims on this issue. This respect is not a two way thing. Which is a shame.

God bless and keep you.

I have already answered this to Burninglight Jesus peace be upon him did not deny this in Mark 6 he did not answer that he was the son of god . And we already agree that he had a virgin birth so what is the problem !!!!!

Mary peace be upon her holds a high status among both muslims and christians

In the end they are Christians !
Their words support what it was written in the holy Qura'n !

I said it appears to me that these verses do allow for the fact that in certain circumstances a person can bear the sin of another.... Or burdens.. Your example below weather both parties stand condemned the lot of one still bears the greater burden of a others sin. I thank you for your explanations.



just to clarify a point.. We do not inherit Adams sin. Jesus taught that He was the only way to God the Father.. The Bible throughout teaches this fact. That God would send a redeemer. . Messiah.. To make us righteous before God. We do not believe we can by our own efforts achieve this. God has decreed a blood sacrifice has to be paid for sin.. By His grace He provided the final perfect lamb of God, just as He did for Abraham when He provided the ram.. Only the perfect lamb as sinless is the final sacrifice for all. All who are His are saved by grace. It does not mean we are absolved from the sins of our own actions.



As Christians we live under the new covenant.. To see this verse in context it refers to a person living under the covenant of the Torah (the Law of Moses). Ezekiel 18:20 is addressing the Israelites who were living under the Torah. So we have to see the context of these verses is the Torah. If we want to understand the verses we need to understand some basics about the Torah...When somebody living under the Torah sinned they were responsible for what they had done, but if they repented they could be forgiven by a sacrifice that would bear their sin before God. The Torah explains this in Leviticus...

(H)e must bring as his offering for the sin he committed a female goat without defect. He is to lay his hand on the head of the sin offering and slaughter it at the place of the burnt offering. Then the priest is to take some of the blood with his finger and put it on the horns of the altar of burnt offering and pour out the rest of the blood at the base of the altar. He shall remove all the fat, just as the fat is removed from the fellowship offering, and the priest shall burn it on the altar as an aroma pleasing to the LORD. In this way the priest will make atonement for him, and he will be forgiven.

We see...


For the life of a creature is in the blood , and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life. (Leviticus 17:11)


This is why a lot of the Torah teaches about priests, sacrifices and the tabernacle/temple where the sacrifices were offered. The Torah teaches individual responsibility and forgiveness through a substitute sacrifice that bears our sin. These verses are not saying there is no sacrifice that can bear our sin. Instead they are saying that we are individually responsible for our sins and need to seek forgiveness through God's provision of a substitute sacrifice that can bear our sin. These verses confirm what Christianity teaches. The law which Jesus fulfilled means we do not have to offer substitutionary sacrifices.. Because of the work of Jesus on the cross. So to surmise.. Christians as followers of Jesus are under the new covenant that was authored by Him.

I hope this explains in some way your issue with Ezekiel.

peace

My reply was directed to Burninglight as a fellow Christian he understands the issue with Son of Mary.. Which muslims do not. Why would Jesus deny his mother or siblings? Do you think He should be announcing at every opportunity he was son of God?

Mary does hold high status in Christianity for reasons we understand,..though Mary was never considered Holy in scripture and it is clear what honour was due her.. Jesus did not elevate His mother Mary above other Mothers and I believe it is wrong to elevate her as some appear to. I do not know why Mary is honoured in the Quran... As a mother of just another prophet why are the mothers of other prophets not afforded the same honour. Unless the Quran sees that it is through Jesus that Mary is honoured and so it is Jesus that is some way different and special and apart from other prophets.

Peace.

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You refer to prophet Mohammed as the star ?? Many muslims tend to believe that Jesus being the Son of God implies a physical union between God and Mary (I pray that God may forgive my blaspheming by repeating such.. God knows my heart is true Amen) they must have arrived at this conclusion somehow. Besides no offence, but prophet Mohammed's credentials as a true prophet are no more convincing than Joseph Smiths.. From a Christian perspective.



Do you see Christians as polytheists?

***‘We find it said in the case of Cain who murdered his brother, “The voice of thy brother’s bloods crieth” (Gen. 4:10). It is not said here blood in the singular, but bloods in the plural, that is, his own blood and the blood of his seed. Man was created single in order to show that to him who kills a single individual it shall be reckoned that he has slain the whole race, but to him who preserves the life of a single individual it is counted that he hath preserved the whole race.’
Mishnah Sanhedrin, 4:5***



I don't care what some medieval pastor is holding in his hand.. I am telling you he is NOT a Christian because he is acting AGAINST the teachings of Christ.!!!!! Why is it so hard for you to grasp this!! You are talking history here.. Christians were persecuted by other "Christians" and killed horribly and labeled heretics for daring to hold a difference of opinion. They were not acting on Gods authority or following the teachings of Jesus. Thankfully, we've moved on from that dark age.










Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies
Meaning particularly the Jews, who were enemies to the person of Christ, and hated and rejected him, as the King Messiah; and rebelled against him, and would not submit to his government; and were enemies to his people, and were exceeding mad against them, and persecuted them; and to his Gospel, and the distinguishing truths of it, and to his ordinances, which they rejected against themselves:


which would not that I should reign over them;
see ( Luke 19:14 )


bring hither, and slay [them] before me;
which had its accomplishment in the destruction of Jerusalem, when multitudes of them were slain with the sword, both with their own, and with their enemies; and to this the parable has a special respect, and of which Christ more largely discourses in this chapter; see ( Luke 19:41-44 ) though it is true of all natural men, that they are enemies to Christ; and so of all negligent and slothful professors, and ministers of the word, who, when Christ shall come a second time, of which his coming to destroy the Jewish nation was an emblem and pledge, will be punished with everlasting destruction by him; and then all other enemies will be slain and destroyed, sin, Satan, the world, and death: of the first of these the Jews say F14,


``in the time to come the holy, blessed God, will bring forth the evil imagination (or corruption of nature), "and slay it before" the righteous, and the wicked.''
~~~~~

I'm sure we've discussed this before... So rather than repeat myself I copy and paste for your perusal.. Not that you're bothered.. lol

https://www.biblestudytools.com/comme...uke-19-27.html




Bless you... NO this will not be my punishment as I am not under the Old Testament law this applies to. Neither am I Jewish ..this Law was written for the Jewish people of that time. The clue is actually in the text.. As to who this law was meant for, I guess in your zeal to find another verse that "agrees" with some point you're making... You kinda overlooked that. I do not believe they follow it now. Under the New Covenant that Christians are under, this no longer applies.... So if I left Christianity and accepted Islam tomorrow no one would be coming after me with pockets full of stones. Can you say the same? Just to say at this point.. I am sure neither of us are even contemplating leaving our respective faith. :)

Peace to you.

Believe me.. I have been told by muslims that I as a Christian believe that Jesus being Son of God implies a physical union between Almighty God and Mary. To hear this made me feel sick, to have such blasphemy laid at the door of Christians who have never ever in the history of the world believed such a thing. Where do they get this wild idea in their head? Not the Bible for they do not read or understand it... Not from Christians because we do not believe it.. It can only come from Islam or Muslims, that they possibly misunderstand verses in the Quran is their problem not mine. I can see where the less enlightened may get that idea from these Suras such an implication can be taken. How can He have a child without a consort??? Implies that there must be a physical union for a child to result. Taken neither wife nor son..!!! Again it does rather seem from this that God needs a wife in order to have a son. Beget and begotten appears here to be used in the human sense.. Where the actual term in the Bible used is monogenes.. Which means unique.. Which is how we see Jesus.

Sura 6:102 “The originator of heavens and earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort?”


Sura 72:3 “We believe that He - exalted be the glory of our Lord - hath taken neither wife nor son.”


Sura 112:1-4 “Proclaim, 'He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him.”



and this does not seem at all incongruous to you that this almost identical passage is found in the Quran? The original from the Mishnah Sanhedrin... The Mishnah is a Jewish commentary on the Torah. It is not or ever was part of the Torah and so was not considered scripture.. Because the word for blood is in the plural in Gen. 4:10, a Rabbi came up with the supposition that all Abel's offspring had been killed with him which signified that any murder or life-saving act had universal implications. This was a theory set out in the Mishnah by a man.... Not a decree from God. How did a Rabbi's commentary make its way into the Qur'an and be quoted as word from Allah?



this cuts both ways .. Don't you think? Which I have been saying all along. You cannot judge a religion on the actions of some of its "misguided" followers. Simply because a follower is a monk or whatever does not make them any better or worse than any other follower. They are the same human in nature as anyone else, as such are sinners.. In need of redemption. No difference from some imams calling for hatred against non muslims in the name of Islam. I'm sure you would agree that they do not speak for Islam when they call for such. Such comparisons are pointless, as pointless as comparisons about Old Testament punishments and their relevance to today's Christians who live under the New Covenant. In fact, many of the Old Testament punishments such as stoning, cutting off hands and public lashing are alive and well and found in Islam... And in some parts of the world today are still used or at least the threat of their use still exists.

Peace unto you.

Man cannot become God, but God did become man in Christ Jesus. It is written in Him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Blessed are those who see this.