I missed used this section from your post.

Im sorry! but how dare you say something that is not true.. but born of your own misunderstanding of the scripture. Instead of pronouncing such a grave calumny against The Lord Jesus you could have said "it's your belief.. Or it seems to you... That the Bible teaches this. Which it does NOT!!!!!!

Jesus is referring to His transfiguration which if you read further into Matthew you would have found.


**Verily I say unto you... This is a strong assertion by Jesus declaring it to be a certain truth.


**there be some standing here...meaning either his disciples, or some of the audience that the people were called unto him with his disciples, when he said these words.


**which shall not taste of death... that is, shall not die... Ever.. In spirit.


**till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.... which is not to be understood of his personal coming in his kingdom in the last day, when he will judge quick and dead... For we can understand that none then would be alive physically on earth to that time, but all those who tasted death before that time comes.. Will be granted eternal life in Jesus. The transfiguration of Christ, the account of which immediately follows in Matthew 17.. was seen by Peter, James, and John, which we can take as the persons now present, it was a sign for them of His future Glory and His power over death upon His resurrection, and his ascension to heaven. When the Spirit was poured down at Pentecost and the Gospel was preached all over the world... Which it is and will continue to be until the end times. When Jesus returns to sort His flock He will know who are His. I hope this helps you see that The Lord Jesus never lied... Ever.. That why I believe His words.. "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

peace to you.

the holy Qura'n also says

They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. surat 5 :72

the holy Qura'n says that Jesus - as a prophet - was sinless ???? ---- YES
the bible says the same??? i' do not think so !


did the bible acquitted Mary of the adultery ?????
if yes put the text please !

I think there is a misunderstanding here.
I'll explain it .
people of Scripture means ======> Jews and Christians
people of Scripture are not the the same means :
Some of them corrupt the scripture in order to relocate the falsehood as a right .
some of them believe in God and his messenger when they recognise the truth .

i' hope its clear for you now .

as you want

do you - as christians - trust in Muslims ????

every person who claimed to be a messenger from God is a big liar because Muhammad is the seal of all prophets !

and cobra !



if i write in a message " meet me in America " instead of " meet me in Antarctica " this will make difference or not???

Angry or not Jesus pronounce a word prohibited by him self !
naturally this is not the first time :

MAT 12: 34

O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

do you accept the fact that any one describe you as a fool or generation of vipers ????


To escape from this big trouble the Pulpit Commentary says :

Verse 28. -
This verse has always been a crux to commentators, who cannot decide what is the event to which it refers.



who represent the " true " christianity ????
theProtestants !!??



please put the proof from the NT !
jesus says :

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.




peace to you .

Tell me who called Allah the Messiah or son of Mary? if you cannot is this a discrepancy in your opinion? If not, why not?

So what. We already know that Jesusis sinless and we knew it before the Quran came into existence. What is your point?


We Christians are who told Muslims that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary. That is imperfectly borrowed from the NT Bible by Islam. There is no other place that information could've have been taken from. Do some research on it please. It is strange that Islam accepts our virgin birth story but they reject the reason for His virgin birth form the source it was borrowed from.


What is clear is that the Quran and or Muslims are corrupting the meaning of the Scriptures that came before.

You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is.


It is not the transfiguration. John didn't tasted death, when he saw the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Reads revelation. Jesus didn't say how they would see it, and who knows how many more saw this by revelation that didn't get documented in the Bible. Jesus did fulfill all the law and the prophets and through Him we do. Unless you satisfy all the law and the prophets you shall never enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Peace

thats according to your belief. Which does not agree with the Gospels.

Romans 8:3-4
3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

1 Peter 2:22
22 He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth.


2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

There are many many more.. But I see no point in posting them. .. But you get the idea.

Mary was never accused of adultery in the Bible so there is no need to acquit Mary of some non existent charge against her. For similarities with the Quran version you could look up the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew... It's doubtful it had anything to do with Matthew the disciple of Jesus.. It is a gnostic gospel in the same vein as the "Infancy Gospel of Thomas" and later still the well known medieval forgery "the Gospel of Barnabas".

Clear as mud... ;) but thanks for attempting to clear that up. I feel it's a tad too convenient that the only way you can recognise these "false followers" is when they fail to recognise Mohammed as Prophet. I would say by Gods will people recognise His truth.. And that is not dependant on a believing in a prophet.. The biblical prophets weren't concerned about who believed in them.. As people.. But only the message they brought from God.

I can only answer for myself here.. I have Muslim friends who I would trust with my life. Weather I trust a person or not is not dependant on what faith they are... But on the person themselves. Unfortunately I can see why many Christians do not trust muslims.. Because they see the minority of muslims who kill non muslims ... Many of them Christians..in the name of Allah.. And they do not see the sad fact that these are NOT representative of muslims in general. We can only get past this misconception by making the effort of getting to know each other as people.. Which means talking to each other in the first instance. Really we are not that different and usually people react to the "unknown" with fear, once that unknown becomes a known it ceases to be a cause for fear and we can then find a common ground. This is very possible as shown by the many numbers of muslims and Christians who live together in peace and harmony respecting each other's differences and celebrating our similarities.

as a mantra to live by that's not very helpful .. Is it?? :(


Not applicable.. A nonsense statement.. Honestly if I said such nonsense Dear Heart would tell me off.!!!!!!

[QUOTE]if i write in a message " meet me in America " instead of " meet me in Antarctica " this will make difference or not???[/QUOTE\

N/A see above reply.

if it came from God it would be deserved so ... No problem.




For me the Bible is clear on this issue.. Each to their own.

The Lord Jesus Christ.


This has been discussed before... Jesus fulfilled the Law, we are NOT saved by the law... We could never be saved by the Law, not because the law was imperfect but that we were... It was not possible for mankind to obey the law.. Because of our sin nature and our free will. We are saved in Christ alone. Which does not mean that we can just discard the law... But means only that the "law" has been perfected in the fulfilment by Jesus. Difference I think between us maybe .. We know we are sinners in need of a saviour... You seem to believe its in your power to somehow to a degree save yourselves. On that basis.. If God is true to His divine attribute of being a just God, then a lot of you will be found wanting at the judgement.

Btw... Why do you keep giving yourself a little round of applause from the little emoticons at some of your posts? Rather cute.. Admittedly.. But what are you saying ..... lol.. I don't seem to have the option of including these little emoticons on all my replies.. Not sure why.

peace to you.

What Christians??? if they said it then, they would be saying it now and I know of none not one!!!

God will never call or refer to Jesus as the son of Mary, because He called Him His beloved son, and I can prove it with Scripture, if you challenge me to.

Wrong! He is sinless as the son of God born of a virgin. All other prophets have sinned and need God's forgiveness. Jesus didn't need His father's forgiveness.
if that is true, why didn't Allah come out with the Quran before the torah and gospel?
Then why was the torah and gospel written before the Quran that appears to give certain information text imperfectly borrowed from the Scriptures that came before it?
Is that what you believe? I don't believe Jesus taught His disciples to steal. Or that Jesus is a thief. You need to read more carefully and prayerfully.

Yes, I am sure. I never said Mary wasn't accused of adultery; I said no Christian believes she was an adulteress. I think you have a reading comprehension problem. Your little icons of clapping and pointing are old and very annoying. It looks like a stupid and immature way of communication when it is persistently done.


You could have fooled me. Why do we think differently? Why don't you ask your radical Muslim brothers that question?

Peace to you as well!

Thank you.. I just realised that I do not always get that [more] option.. However if I double click on the reply with quote I get a different reply box.. Honestly ... How long have I been here!!!! Thank you for pointing it out. That's a flower.. From me to you as a thank you for your assistance in this matter.

Peace.

Mark 6 : 3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.




Mat 22 : 29

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.


peace.

lol... For a moment you made me think.. What is this? By all your links... I thought you were maybe on to something. Then I realised that none of the links you have gleaned your opinion have anything to do with what the Bible has to say on the matter of Jesus' birth and His naming. They are men's opinions.. Which seem to be from a catholic perspective.... Don't get me wrong here I do not castigate my catholic brothers and sisters here.. But I do not see that their position on Mary is upheld by Biblical scripture. That for me is the main thing.. So any Christians that do refer to Jesus as Son of Mary.. (And in all my life I have never met one.. And I do have Catholics among my circle of friends but even they have never used this term.) then they will answer for that the same as yourselves at the judgement.

I can't in good conscious reply to you article on "God had sex with Mary"... It is blasphemy, on those who wrote the article and yourself for propagating it. If you had any decency you would remove it. Brigham Young was NOT a Christian... And what he spouts is not Biblical Christianity. If you wish to continue dialogue with me on biblical matters.. Please check your sources before you post them as an opinion of Christians.

thats your belief.. One I don't share. We can agree to differ on this point.


Again this is your belief.. Certainly the Gospels or Injil was never a book.. Jesus was the Gospel.. Jesus was the Word and the message.. Never the messenger. As for false beliefs you again have no proof of the previous scriptures being false in regards to the message God intended to reveal. The Quran brings a different message... Which conflicts on many key points with the previous scriptures.

If God forgave sin just because He could.. In an arbitrary nature as the Quran claims then it goes against Gods divine nature of being just. A sin is a sin.. God has decreed that there is a penalty to pay for sin... Someone has to pay it? God can forgive you... Doesn't mean you don't have to pay the penalty.. Jesus paid that penalty for us. Because God in His divine wisdom knows us better than we know ourselves.. Thus knows we can never pay the price ourselves. Without a redeemer you have to pay that penalty yourself... God makes the rules.. Sin has a consequence.. For us, for the world and for God. If you believe otherwise.. Then my friend.. You've been slipped a custard!

if you don't believe it then YOU should not have said it. The Bible never says Jesus was a thief! Stop telling lies and twisting words to say what you want them too. Allow the words to speak for themselves. You would do well to read what Jesus said in the Gospels.. His teachings. Because if you did you would never dream of uttering such calumnies against His person.

The supposed Allah allowed muslims to keep the booty pillaged from caravans!!!! Think about your accusations. What are you saying!!!!!

according to your belief...

as well as asking Allah to bring them back to Islam, you may consider what you can do yourself to facilitate this. God likes actions over words.

Christianity is also against extremism and the killing of innocent people.. As well as the guilty who where ever we can we should forgive and help to rehabilitate to society and back to Gods love.

thank you. Peace be with you also.

First of all you said that any christian who calls jesus the son of mary then he has to answer to god in judgement day !!!! This means that the writers of the gospels have a lot to answer to :

as brother اسلامي عزي stated :

son of Mary
Mark 6:3


Second the message of the Quran (which god can forgive the sin of the people if they repent) and that no one carries the sin of others is the message of the prophets :

1. No one carries the sin of others :

20 The person who sins is the one who will die. A son will not suffer for his father’s iniquity, and a father will not suffer for his son’s iniquity; the righteous person will be judged according to his righteousness, and the wicked person according to his wickedness.

Ezekiel 18 :20

2. God can forgive the sin of others if they repent :

10 When God saw their actions—they turned from their evil way of living!—God relented concerning the judgment he had threatened them with and he did not destroy them.

Jonah 3:10

I incourage you to read your book more

peace be with you

Yes I did say that.. And I stand by my words. Please read Mark 6:3 and note the context.. The writers of the Gospels do not answer for the recording of the accounts of others committing such calumny. The sin is not theirs and we answer for our OWN sins.

Mark 6


A Prophet Without Honour~
6 Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples. 2 When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed.


“Where did this man get these things?” they asked. “What’s this wisdom that has been given him? What are these remarkable miracles he is performing? 3 Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.


4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” 5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6 He was amazed at their lack of faith.


The people referring to Jesus as Son of Mary in this verse are NOT Christians ..that is followers of Christ. They are the Jews that did not believe Jesus was who He claimed to be the Messiah. THEY TOOK OFFENCE AT HIM.. They questioned His credentials as a prophet and His ability to perform miracles. In other words they scoffed at Him.

Second the message of the Quran (which god can forgive the sin of the people if they repent) and that no one carries the sin of others is the message of the prophets :

1. No one carries the sin of others :

I encourage you to read your book more.. Does the Quran in fact claim that someone can bear the sins of another?

They will bear their own burdens in full on the Day of Resurrection, and also of the burdens of those whom they misled without knowledge. Evil indeed is that which they shall bear! (Qur'an 16:25,)


And verily, they shall bear their own loads, and other loads besides their own, and verily, they shall be questioned on the Day of Resurrection about that which they used to fabricate. (Qur'an 29:13)

These verses on the face of it look as if some sinners will not only bear their own sins but also the sins of those they have wronged.

No one is saying that God does not forgive the repentant sinner.. It's quite clear from scripture He does, however God dictates the terms and makes the rules. The Bible clearly states that there is a penalty that has to be paid for sin.. All the Old Testament prophets teach this, so I don't know what prophets you are thinking of! Just as you pay in society for a crime you commit against it.. And are punished.. And pay a price weather it be a fine or incarceration or worse.. Gods justice is the same.. However, we understand that His divine justice is tempered by His love and mercy for His creation.

Peace to you.

I am aware of that verse, but if you look at it in context, you will see that they used the term to disparage Jesus; moreover, Jesus confirms this by saying "A prophet is not without honor save in his own town;" so, you are right in saying they will give account as all Muslims will for using the expression Jesus "Son of Mary." Every time one refers to Jesus as "son of Mary (SOM)," they disparage Jesus. How dare one refer to the son of God as son of His mother? How low can one go doing this and calling Jesus a thief? Satan is the one who attempts to disparage Jesus while he pretends to honor Him. Does not the Creator of the seeing eye not see or the hearing ear not hear?

May God have mercy on the souls of those who ignorantly call Him son of His mother and show them the right way, the good way and the straight path.
Those who out of willful ignorance say SOM will be punished by God the next time they do it, and they will know it.

Blessings to lovers of truth

Still jesus peace be upon him did not deny the response :

There is nothing in this context that suggests that jesus peace be upon him denied what they said about him being the son of Mary

You obviously do not deny that he had brother and sisters so why deny this ???


Second nothing in the quran verses state what you claim . You obviously just copy and paste without reading :

That they may bear their own burdens in full on the Day of Resurrection and some of the burdens of those whom they misguide without knowledge. Unquestionably, evil is that which they bear.

OF THOSE WHOM THEY MISGUIDE

If somebody preaches false teachings or tries to overthrow the message of god say like Pharoah he will bear both his sins and the sins of those who did not believe moses peace be upon him but that does not mean that his followers are without sins rather their sins are shared by them and pharoh , example from the Quran :

And We did certainly send Moses with Our signs and a clear authority
To Pharaoh and his establishment, but they followed the command of Pharaoh, and the command of Pharaoh was not [at all] discerning.
He will precede his people on the Day of Resurrection and lead them into the Fire; and wretched is the place to which they are led.
And they were followed in this [world] with a curse and on the Day of Resurrection. And wretched is the gift which is given.

Surah hud verses : 96-99

Another example more clearly :

And [mention] when they will argue within the Fire, and the weak will say to those who had been arrogant, "Indeed, we were [only] your followers, so will you relieve us of a share of the Fire?"
Those who had been arrogant will say, "Indeed, all [of us] are in it. Indeed, Allah has judged between the servants."

Surah gafir verses 47-48

The difference between us is that we say that those whom have misled the people will share the sins with those of whom they have misled and are BOTH condemed

You claim that god sent his son (whom have not committed a sin ) to bear the sins of others (whom he has preached to the way of god) because humanity's father has sinned and that sin is inheritted !!!!!

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE

AS for the other verse this either proves to me that you intentionally ommitted the verse from its context or you know nothing about the quran here is the context of the verse :

And those who disbelieve say to those who believe, "Follow our way, and we will carry your sins." But they will not carry anything of their sins. Indeed, they are liars.
But they will surely carry their [own] burdens and [other] burdens along with their burdens, and they will surely be questioned on the Day of Resurrection about what they used to invent.

Quran 29:12-13

The verse 12 proves that no body takes the burdon of others its a PAGAN idea
The verse 13 was talking about the current and their own FUTURE sins which they will carry


As for your last part it totally dismisses what is said in the old testement in fact you did not answer what I quoted for you :

Ezekiel 18 :20

2. God can forgive the sin of others if they repent :

Jonah 3:10

I incourage you to read your book more

peace be with you

The context does not show that jesus peace be upon him in his response denied that he is the son of mary nor do any christians deny that he had brothers and sisters :


Notice among his relatives and the fact that Jesus peace be upon him Did not answer them by saying he is the son of god nor denying that he is the son of Mary peace be upon her .