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**الفضة** · 20-11-2010, 04:12

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Regarding religion I confirm that thinking about humankind, nature and science you cannot be ignorant and you have to put questions. But the answers vary, from your point of view and so do religions also

But you cannot claim that one answer is the only right one. Ok, you can pretend for your behalf to have found the one and only answer, but that is only your opinion

As long as it is your opinion I accept it and I do not have any problems with or against that, but I cannot accept that some people proclaim to have found the one and only right answer

well ,

I know that you keep saying that you're an evangelic protestant but these words seem Agnostic to me .

I agree with you that people are different in so many things ,some of them are uncultured , illiterate or ignorant ,disabled, mentally -ill ......& so on

but in Islam we're talking about those who have the knowledge & keep ignoring Allah's commandements.

7|33|Say: My Lord forbiddeth only indecencies, such of them as are apparent and such as are within, and sin and wrongful oppression, and that ye associate with Allah that for which no warrant hath been revealed, and that ye tell concerning Allah that which ye know not.

39|9|Is he who payeth adoration in the watches of the night, prostrate and standing, bewaring of the Hereafter and hoping for the mercy of his Lord, (to be accounted equal with a disbeliever)? Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Are those who know equal with those who know not? But only men of understanding will pay heed.

the Prophet (saws) said: "The pen is raised for three groups [of people]—(that is, they will not be responsible for their actions): the insane until they become sane, those who are sleeping until they awaken, and the young until they reach the age of puberty."

Related by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, and at-Tirmidhi.

We believe that Allah sent his messengers all over the world

10|47|And for every nation there is a messenger. And when their messenger cometh (on the Day of Judgment) it will be judged between them fairly, and they will not be wronged.

17|15|Whosoever goeth right, it is only for (the good of) his own soul that he goeth right, and whosoever erreth, erreth only to its hurt. No laden soul can bear another's load. We never punish until We have sent a messenger

please let's focus on Islam & Christianity
we're not gonna discuss Buddhism here,
Islam denies that Jesus is son of God
We deny that the Holy Spirit is God..

**مهدي بنزياد** · 20-11-2010, 05:34

اخوتي الكرام
هذا الضيف الكريم تفكيره مختلف.. هو يتعامل مع الدين و كأنه ليس هنلك اي دين حقيقي حسب كلامه هو . و يتعامل مع الدين و كأنه مكمل و ليس اساسيا و لا يسعى من خلاله لا جنة او لنار . الكثير من الناس في الغرب هكذا . هم يبحثون عن شيء يملأون به فراغهم الروحي و في نفس الوقت يمارسون شهواتهم .
سوف تجدون مشكلة كبيرة معه. لكن يجب ا\ن تركزوا فقط على المعاني الجميلة في الاسلام و الروحانيات الاسلامية . ركزوا ركزوا على الروحانيات...
.....
as i know muslim women should not be married to a non-muslim man.
a im right ??

**ابو علي الفلسطيني** · 20-11-2010, 18:03

In the name of Allah the Compassionate, the Merciful

I really regard what you're saying Mr. German ... but you must know that because people are following what the think is the right and do not follow God's orders or don't accept his guidance to hem they make mistakes and get far away from the right choices ....
In Islam God never force you to do something you don't want to .. but God tells you the right way to follow... if you don't accept it then you will bear the responsibility for your choice ...

I want to ask you a question... do you love your wife??? if so let suppose that she will choose to follow God's way ...can you force her not to do?
you can't ... because she has the right to worship one God and to do what God wants her to do ...

there are many differences between you and her ... she follows God but you follow your own mind ... that's why i advice you to think more and more ... all of us will be judged in the judgment day and those who deny God's path will be punished so think of the matter again and again ... Islam is the only way for your salvation ...

we can prove to you that Christianity is totally wrong ...and we have clear evidences that you can't deny ...

I really pray to God to help you and choose the right way

**Authentic Man** · 21-11-2010, 02:03

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
جزاكم الله خيراً إخواني وأخواتي على مجهوداتكم العظيمة
جعله الله في موازين أعمالكم
وهدى الله ضيفنا

Welcome German.Bergheim to our forum
Hoping that we can exchange information in a mild way included with the evidence

And we should be honest with ourselves and others when we discuss the religious issues

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married with my wife from Morocco and of course she is Muslim

It's not allowed for a Muslim woman to get married to a non-Muslim man

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according to my opinion

My decent addressee,
we don't discuss religions through personal points of view, but through evidence first, logic second ....

The sanity of people is different from one to another. i.e. you have your own way of thinking, and I have my own one . So, which one is correct?!!!!
a psycho thinks that he is the only rational person and all the others are mad!!!

So, please stick to evidence

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according to my opinion humans are humans independant from their religion whether christian or Muslim or any other religion

Let the Bible speak:

Lu 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Lu 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Lu 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Lu 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Another verse
Lu 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Lu 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Lu 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
Lu 18:21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
Lu 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

It means there are many specific things you have to do to live inherit eternal life!!!!
You are not free to do whatever you like, or you will not inherit eternal life!!!

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Thus the question turns up: why converting to Islam

Let's think together:
This life is as a game!!!
Every game has its own roles which you must follow and apply, otherwise, you will lose it !!!!
Then you learn from your mistakes and step by step you can enhance your performance and improve your standard

But the game life is just once to win or lose!!!
No other chance will be provided to you

That's why we have to be honest with ourselves first and with others second

So, what about if Islam is the true religion and you died and realized that it was a must to follow Islam, but you didn't!!!

As God said in the Holly Quran
3|85|And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.

So, what is the fate waiting for you?!!!!
Simply, the hellfire!

Islam founded the whole life to people in both transactions and worshipping
Islam disciplines humans outwardly and inwardly, and draws the frame that must be followed, whether in your transaction for yourself, or your parents, or your spouse, or your children, and neighbors, and your enemies, your opponents and ... And protects peoples' rights and threatening all those who abuse the rights of others ...etc.

One more thing,
Have you seen any of Jesus' Miracle?
You just heard about them!!!
You have no Miracles left from him!!!
So, what you heared might be wrong as there is no clear direct evidence that there was a prophet called Jesus!!!

We have the best lasting Miracle ever which includes the evidence of Jesus!!!

I mean the Holy Quran which no body can bring to life a similar book or even one chapter Quran-alike

2|23|And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a sura or the like thereof, and call your witnesses beside Allah if ye are truthful.

Do not be in a hurry!!!
Do not say I have the evidence in the Bible, as my following question will be:
Which Bible?!!!
Which version?!!!
Which translation?!!!
Of which Christian sect?!!!
Before voting or after it?!!!

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Humanity comes first

Islam respects humanity, and draws the ideal picture of humanity
So, Religion and humanity complement each other, not oppose one another

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noone has the right to judge about other people to stipulate any belief

If we have the criteria with evidence, we can judge easily

**German.Bergheim** · 21-11-2010, 12:58

The Pope is catholic and as a evangelischer Protestant I do not accept him as my authority.

I told several times here that the “Spirit” is not a God

And I have never spoken about Buddhism

One crucial difference between Islam and Christianity is the approach and I can see, that this causes inconvenience.

In Christianity and I speak for my behalf the approach is human-oriented. We do not deny that there is a God, on the other hand there is no prove. But it is convenient to pretend there is a God and I can accept that. This following it depends on everybody’s personal attitude and opinion, what to think. Several people think of God as an absolute Creator, ok, why not and some people do admit doubts or they accept questions and are open to discuss essential questions.Christianity demands strong and responsible characters that can bear criticism, that can cope with it, that are aware of criticism and humans’ failure.

Christianity in my belief is human-made and therefore religion is for humankind, not the other way round that religion is for a God. Christianity does not dictate any opinion or belief. The Christianity puts humankind in centre of our handling and dealing with problems. Christianity demands responsibility and maturity. I know this is too squishy for many people, but this is the origin for discussion, for thinking. Discussion and thinking depends on the humans in their surroundings in their time. This is requested. Thus the discussion should always centre about the humans and their problems. Christianity does not want blind followers, Christianity needs mature people who admit doubts, questions and discussions, criticism and failure.

Following this you will seldom see me quoting from the Bible, because it is a pattern of how it could have been, but not how it must have been. In my eyes it is the same with the Koran. Many people argue with words or quotations of their Bible or Koran and I can accept it. But all you would quote mustnot be a prove, it can be or it is your belief.

See clearly the difference, elevating the Bible or the Koran as a book from God, that is your belief but there is not any proof in it nor for it. To read and understand the Bible or Koran is interpretation and that is quite fine. As said before there is no proof.

So if you want to call me an agnostic human, you might be right a little. But religion is not only believing in God religion in my eyes is about humans, about their life together and their problems and success. And this is the point where religion comes in the matter. To live together with other people, to arrange with other people, to accept them, to tolerate them, to respect them, to cope with them. For this rules are compulsory. I can accept that rules are religion-based, but not religion-centered.

Education and surroundigns associated with culture, mentality this creates your approach to religion and values. These conditions let you evaluate the values, wether they be religious or not, but they have to correspond with human rights and needs.

It is too private to mention it here in detail, but there were situations in my life when I behaved more a religious person than that persons, that call themselves Christians or Muslems.

**Authentic Man** · 21-11-2010, 15:23

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First of all In Christianity there are not three Gods

There is the only God, figured as the Father, then there is his Son Jesus and then there is the Spirit

Well,
The Father +His Son + The Spirit = 1 not 3
All are one God!!!
Is Jesus the Father?
No!!!

Is Jesus the Spirit?
No!!!

Is the Spirit the Father?
No!!!

But the three are only one!!!

So, Is Jesus a part of God?
Is Father a part of God?
Is the Spirit a part of God?

No!!!

OK
The Father ≠ His Son ≠ The Spirit
They are different, right?
As each hypostasis has his own qualities and roles

If we say each hypostasis is God
The Father ≠ His Son ≠ The Spirit
So,
God ≠ God ≠ God ≠ 1

So, they are 3 Gods not one

.......................................

Now, we have something more exciting,
Why do you consider Jesus the God's son although all people are God's children?

Let the Bible Speak:
M't 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

So, the idea of trinity must be one of the following:
Father + Son + Chidren + Spirit
So it's fourfold !!!!
or
Father + Chidren + Spirit

..................................

Do you consider Jesus - the God who died according to your belief - a God?!!!

He is dead!!!
Do you worship a dead God?!!!

I know you would say" He is not dead. He
M't 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7: And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead

Great!!!
What did they see?!!!
They saw the Devil, Satan

Let the Bible Speak
M't 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
M't 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The prophcy of Christ bacame true, but you did listened to his order " believe it not" !!!

His followers were of little faith, they doubted him while he was alive, and didn't apply what he ordered after his death!!!!
He said "believe it not" but they believed!!!

M't 16:8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?

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spirit can be characterized as the message of humanity, being in all of us, preferably filled with ethical comprehension and recognition

This means the spirit is in humans, right?
What a weak God?!!!!

If you had God in you, would you do a tiny mistake?!!!
Why do we hear day and night about thousands of rape, children abuse, adultry, stealing,...etc. in churches and in streets?!!!

Where is the spirit?!!!
Does spirit like that?!!!
Isn't it strong enough to stop people committing such crimes?!!!

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we are not bond to the Bible, because in our belief the Bible is not given nor written by God, but human-made

This implies that the Bible is a book as a pattern of thinking, it suggests you advice, it suggests you proposals

Great to admit that the Bible is human-made..
That means, it's not Divine anymore!!!

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According to our moral, ethical view, our education, our knowledge we are free to think what we want, but we are responsible towards ourselves as well as towards other people

Well, what are the criteria of the ideal way of thinking?!!!
Doesn't it differ from one to another?
A women-rapist thinks all women's bodies are his!!!
A bank robber thinks that all banks money is his!!!
A cruel father thinks his way is the best to bring up his children in a healthy way!!!

So, we need a sound accurate constitution to control peoples behaviours and deeds

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Why are humans created according to Christianity?
The answer depends on your approach

The answer must be from the Christian point of view included with evidence, not personal or points of view!!!!

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Regarding religion I confirm that thinking about humankind, nature and science you cannot be ignorant and you have to put questions. But the answers vary, from your point of view and so do religions also

Where is the answer?!!!
Please answer the question according to your own belief
Why wrer humans created?

best regards

**Authentic Man** · 21-11-2010, 15:44

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So if you want to call me an agnostic human, you might be right a little.

If you are agnostic, what are the criteria of the ideal religion?
Once you find these criteria in a religion, you will convert to it?
Best regards

**مهدي بنزياد** · 21-11-2010, 19:20

God is the ruller . not huamain . adulf hitler is a humain and he said that we should kill gays and jews and non white people to save huamnity . and a lot of people was beleive in his theory and still some people beleive in what hitler said
he is a humain . this is what humain brain & thinking give.
but God is wise than us and he is know us more than our selfs . he diside to us what is best for us ..

**مهدي بنزياد** · 21-11-2010, 19:44

يا اخوان ارجو منكم ان لا تكلموه عن المسيحية . ارجو ان تركزوا على الاسلام . تكلموا عن الاسلام و اتركوا المسيحية جانبا فهو لا يؤمن بها ايمانا حقيقيا . و هذا الضيف ليس ارثودوكسيا و لا يؤمن بان الكتاب المقدس هو من عند الله و لا يؤمن بان المسيحية دين الاهي . هو يؤمن انه ليس هنلك اي دين الاهي .
لذلك تكلموا له عن الاسلام و عظمته و روعته و انه دين الاهي . و اتركوا المسيحية جانبا .

**الفضة** · 22-11-2010, 00:57

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The Pope is catholic and

I told several times here that the “Spirit” is not a God
And I have never spoken about Buddhism

I'm glad to hear about that ,
Thank you for correcting this misunderstanding but I have my excuse , I've never met christians that deny the deity of the spirit .

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One crucial difference between Islam and Christianity is the approach and I can see, that this causes inconvenience.

Of course Islam's approach is different but that's not all .

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In Christianity and I speak for my behalf the approach is human-oriented. We do not deny that there is a God, on the other hand there is no prove.

We can't see electricity that doesn't mean it doesn't exist !

We just feel it although we can't see it .

Did you read the Qoran ?

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But it is convenient to pretend there is a God and I can accept that.

This following it depends on everybody’s personal attitude and opinion, what to think. Several people think of God as an absolute Creator, ok, why not and some people do admit doubts or they accept questions and are open to discuss essential questions.Christianity demands strong and responsible characters that can bear criticism, that can cope with it, that are aware of criticism and humans’ failure.
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I'm sorry to tell you that I really don't know what you're talking about .To think that God has a mother makes an atheist of a person .

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Christianity in my belief is human-made and therefore religion is for humankind,not the other way round that religion is for a God. Christianity does not dictate any opinion or belief. The Christianity puts humankind in centre of our handling and dealing with problems. Christianity demands responsibility and maturity. I know this is too squishy for many people, but this is the origin for discussion, for thinking. Discussion and thinking depends on the humans in their surroundings in their time. This is requested. Thus the discussion should always centre about the humans and their problems. Christianity does not want blind followers, Christianity needs mature people who admit doubts, questions and discussions, criticism and failure.

I disagree with that .

It reminds me of this verse:

Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

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Following this you will seldom see me quoting from the Bible, because it is a pattern of how it could have been, but not how it must have been. In my eyes it is the same with the Koran. Many people argue with words or quotations of their Bible or Koran and I can accept it. But all you would quote mustnot be a prove, it can be or it is your belief.

well , I don't know what's wrong in quoting from the Bible or the Qoran .

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See clearly the difference, elevating the Bible or the Koran as a book from God, that is your belief but there is not any proof in it nor for it. To read and understand the Bible or Koran is interpretation and that is quite fine. As said before there is no proof.

What makes you so sure that there's no proof?

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So if you want to call me an agnostic human, you might be right a little.

I don't wanna call you agnostic , your words just sound agnostic to me .

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It is too private to mention it here in detail, but there were situations in my life when I behaved more a religious person than that persons, that call themselves Christians or Muslems.

I keep saying that moslims don't think that non-moslems are villain . We don't .But this is not the point.

The point is :why should one do the good deeds?

if you do it for the good of the humanity ,perhaps you'd be rewarded from the humanity

If you do it as a worship, God will reward you .

& everyone is free to choose .

Best regards

**الفضة** · 22-11-2010, 02:51

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The Pope is catholic and

I told several times here that the “Spirit” is not a God
And I have never spoken about Buddhism

I'm glad to hear that ,
Thank you for correcting this misunderstanding but I have my excuse , I've never met christians that deny the deity of the spirit that you sometimes call "the holy ghost " .

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One crucial difference between Islam and Christianity is the approach and I can see, that this causes inconvenience.

Of course Islam's approach is different but that's not all .

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In Christianity and I speak for my behalf the approach is human-oriented. We do not deny that there is a God, on the other hand there is no prove.

We can't see electricity that doesn't mean it doesn't exist !

We just feel it although we can't see it .

Did you read the Qoran ?

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But it is convenient to pretend there is a God and I can accept that.

I think this is not a relief .

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This following it depends on everybody’s personal attitude and opinion, what to think. Several people think of God as an absolute Creator, ok, why not and some people do admit doubts or they accept questions and are open to discuss essential questions.Christianity demands strong and responsible characters that can bear criticism, that can cope with it, that are aware of criticism and humans’ failure.

I'm sorry to tell you that I really don't know what you're talking about .To think that God has a mother makes an atheist of a person .

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Christianity in my belief is human-made and therefore religion is for humankind,not the other way round that religion is for a God. Christianity does not dictate any opinion or belief. The Christianity puts humankind in centre of our handling and dealing with problems. Christianity demands responsibility and maturity. I know this is too squishy for many people, but this is the origin for discussion, for thinking. Discussion and thinking depends on the humans in their surroundings in their time. This is requested. Thus the discussion should always centre about the humans and their problems. Christianity does not want blind followers, Christianity needs mature people who admit doubts, questions and discussions, criticism and failure.

I disagree with that .

It reminds me of this verse:

Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

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Following this you will seldom see me quoting from the Bible, because it is a pattern of how it could have been, but not how it must have been. In my eyes it is the same with the Koran. Many people argue with words or quotations of their Bible or Koran and I can accept it. But all you would quote mustnot be a prove, it can be or it is your belief.

well , I don't know what's wrong with quoting from the Bible or the Qoran .

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See clearly the difference, elevating the Bible or the Koran as a book from God, that is your belief but there is not any proof in it nor for it. To read and understand the Bible or Koran is interpretation and that is quite fine. As said before there is no proof.

&What makes you so sure that there's no proof?

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So if you want to call me an agnostic human, you might be right a little.

I don't wanna call you agnostic , your words just sound agnostic to me .

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It is too private to mention it here in detail, but there were situations in my life when I behaved more a religious person than that persons, that call themselves Christians or Muslems.

I keep saying that moslims don't think that non-moslems are villain . We don't .But this is not the point.

The point is :why should one do the good deeds?

if you do it for the good of the humanity ,perhaps you'd be rewarded from the humanity

If you do it as a worship, God will reward you .

& everyone is free to choose .

Best regards

**مهدي بنزياد** · 23-11-2010, 07:57

whats make you so sure that their is no prove that quran is the book of God ?
tell us please ??
and why you dont beleive that muhammed is a prophet of God ? God sent him as a prophet to us ?

**الفضة** · 26-11-2010, 16:29

where are you colleague ? we hope that you're doing fine,

so let us hear from you,

I had some few comments on your previous posts

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Christianity demands strong and responsible characters that can bear criticism, that can cope with it, that are aware of criticism and humans’ failure.

I think it's mandatory for everyone (regardless of their faith ) to be responsible & to have a flexible way of thinking .

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I have been introduced to this forum by her to discuss about problems of converting to Islam

We are all ears ! Just tell us what do you think these "problems " are .

**الفضة** · 30-11-2010, 02:31

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The Pope is catholic and as a evangelischer Protestant I do not accept him as my authority.

I told several times here that the “Spirit” is not a God

And I have never spoken about Buddhism

One crucial difference between Islam and Christianity is the approach and I can see, that this causes inconvenience.

In Christianity and I speak for my behalf the approach is human-oriented. We do not deny that there is a God, on the other hand there is no prove. But it is convenient to pretend there is a God and I can accept that. This following it depends on everybody’s personal attitude and opinion, what to think. Several people think of God as an absolute Creator, ok, why not and some people do admit doubts or they accept questions and are open to discuss essential questions.Christianity demands strong and responsible characters that can bear criticism, that can cope with it, that are aware of criticism and humans’ failure.

Christianity in my belief is human-made and therefore religion is for humankind, not the other way round that religion is for a God. Christianity does not dictate any opinion or belief. The Christianity puts humankind in centre of our handling and dealing with problems. Christianity demands responsibility and maturity. I know this is too squishy for many people, but this is the origin for discussion, for thinking. Discussion and thinking depends on the humans in their surroundings in their time. This is requested. Thus the discussion should always centre about the humans and their problems. Christianity does not want blind followers, Christianity needs mature people who admit doubts, questions and discussions, criticism and failure.

Following this you will seldom see me quoting from the Bible, because it is a pattern of how it could have been, but not how it must have been. In my eyes it is the same with the Koran. Many people argue with words or quotations of their Bible or Koran and I can accept it. But all you would quote mustnot be a prove, it can be or it is your belief.

See clearly the difference, elevating the Bible or the Koran as a book from God, that is your belief but there is not any proof in it nor for it. To read and understand the Bible or Koran is interpretation and that is quite fine. As said before there is no proof.

So if you want to call me an agnostic human, you might be right a little. But religion is not only believing in God religion in my eyes is about humans, about their life together and their problems and success. And this is the point where religion comes in the matter. To live together with other people, to arrange with other people, to accept them, to tolerate them, to respect them, to cope with them. For this rules are compulsory. I can accept that rules are religion-based, but not religion-centered.

Education and surroundigns associated with culture, mentality this creates your approach to religion and values. These conditions let you evaluate the values, wether they be religious or not, but they have to correspond with human rights and needs.

It is too private to mention it here in detail, but there were situations in my life when I behaved more a religious person than that persons, that call themselves Christians or Muslems.

Thank you colleague for your statements ,

It's been a week since your last visit to the forum ,

so I'll summarize your last post .

you admitted that there's no proof of god's existance in christianity.

you said that in christianity :" it is convenient to pretend there is a God

so all you gotta do, christians, is "just pretend "

I'm sorry for that,

you admitted that christianity
&bible are human made ...Thank you colleague .
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Christianity in its current form has nothing to do with God

But

still you refuse to leave christianity!

to accept Islam or any religion other than christianity ....

You said that moslems got no proof of Qoran's divinity.

You're not asking , you're not waiting for an answer from us or anyone ..

Thank you colleague for making everything clear .

**عبير نجد** · 30-11-2010, 05:43

Hello

I have read your words about religions

But I have a question

Did you read the Qur'an?

Qur'an component of a large book of 603 pages

I hope that you read

I brought you a video (SUR) of the Qur'an

I hope that you hear and read the translation

Thank you

إعـــــــلان

Salam Aleikom

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