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**محبة الرحمن** · 21-07-2010, 18:40

How can we know Jesus, Mohamed (peace be upon him), to have eternal life? The Bible says here that Jesus prayed not only for His disciples, but for those who would believe on Him through their Word. He says thererfore the wolrd hated them.(They were martyred and persecuted

Nice try and I’ll judge you by your own words as your bible say
Luke 19 :22
'I will judge you by your own words

You said that Jesus prayed

Jesus prayed not only for His disciples

So to whom your God was praying ???

to be continued

**محبة الرحمن** · 21-07-2010, 19:51

How can we know Jesus, Mohamed(peace be upon him), to have eternal life? The Bible says here that Jesus prayed not only for His disciples, but for those who would believe on Him through their Word. He says thererfore the wolrd hated them.(They were martyred and persecuted

lets discuss this all over again
I know that you Christians believe that the only way a person can get saved and go to Heaven is to believe and accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior who died for him on the cross to purify him from his sins. Anyone who doesn't believe in this would not be saved.

so let us discuss what the bile say about that

and my question will be what must I do to inherit eternal life?

Jesus said: loving GOD Almighty so much and being nice to your neighbors will cause you to have eternal life:
Luke 10
25. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26. "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27. He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "

28. "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

Notice that the man's question was straight forward

No other question can be more straight forward than this. Notice how Jesus answered this straight forward question: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart......and love your neighbor as yourself......Do this and you will live."

Notice that Jesus didn't talk about any trinity-lie concept, nor did he say to the man that he must accept Jesus as a mediator between him and GOD Almighty to win Eternal Life. Jesus was pretty clear and straight forward here: LOVE GOD ALMIGHTY AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOURSELF. That is simply all there is to it to win eternal life in Jesus' standards.

It certainly wasn't necessary for the man who asked the question to believe in trinity in order for him to be saved. Jesus assured him Paradise if he believed otherwise

to be continued

**محبة الرحمن** · 22-07-2010, 03:12

Here is another incident where Jesus was asked the same exact question by another person:

Luke 18
18. A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

20. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "

21. "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

23. When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.
24. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!
25. Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
26. Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"
27. Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."
28. Peter said to him, "We have left all we had to follow you!"
29. "I tell you the truth," Jesus said to them, "no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God
30. will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life."

Again, we see in Luke 18:18 above, the same exact question was asked to Jesus for the second time on a different occasion

يتبع الرد

**mostafa111** · 22-07-2010, 07:11

**محبة الرحمن** · 22-07-2010, 13:57

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة mostafa111 مشاهدة المشاركة

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

بارك الله فيك يا أخي

فإنما أنت بلغت فمن شاء استمع و هداه الله و من لم يشأ فإن على الله الحساب

نسأل الله الهداية و جزاك الله كل خير على ما تقوم به و جعل عملك في ميزان حسناتك

**محبة الرحمن** · 23-07-2010, 04:44

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Who is it that takes away the sins of the world? In that same book of John, John the Baptist says: John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Now how could a sinful person take away sin? No, this person had to be sinless. This person had to be God alone Who could fulfill His Law.

Very nice

let us check together the bible if Jesus was really sinless according to it

now let me ask you what do you call the following sins of Jesus in the bible

1- Treating his mother in a bad way

John 2 -New American Standard Bible

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...2&version=NASB

3When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, "They have no wine."

4And Jesus said to her, " Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come."

2- Killing 2000 pig without reason

Mark 5 -New American Standard Bible

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NASB

11Now there was a large herd of swine feeding nearby on the mountain.

12The demons implored Him, saying, "Send us into the swine so that we may enter them."

13Jesus gave them permission. And coming out, the unclean spirits entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea, about two thousand of them; and they were drowned in the sea.

to be continued

**محبة الرحمن** · 24-07-2010, 03:46

more and more sins of Jesus in the bible

3- He treated a women very badly while she was asking him for help

Mark 7 -New American Standard Bible

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...7&version=NASB

26Now the woman was a Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter.

27And He was saying to her, "Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."

4- Saying to peter (Disciple of Jesus) that he is Satan

33But turning around and seeing His disciples, He rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind Me, Satan; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."

to be continued

**محبة الرحمن** · 25-07-2010, 12:11

5- Christ come to cast fire upon earth according to bible

Christ Divides Men
49"I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!

50"But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!

51" Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division;

52for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.

53"They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

6- Jesus stole a donkey and colt
Matthew 21 -New American Standard Bible
2saying to them, "Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied there and a colt with her; untie them and bring them to Me.

to be continued

**mostafa111** · 26-07-2010, 07:35

thank you

**محبة الرحمن** · 27-07-2010, 12:24

7- Insulting people

Luke 11-New International Version

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...11&version=NIV

39Then the Lord said to him, "Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?

8- He asked his disciples not to give peace to those who do not deserve

Matthew 10 -New American Standard Bible

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0&version=NASB

13"If the house is worthy, give it your blessing of peace. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace

**محبة الرحمن** · 27-07-2010, 12:59

9- He wanted to slay his enemies in front of him

Luke 19 - New American Standard Bible

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NASB

27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

10- Jesus asked his disciples to use worldly wealth to gain friends

Luke 16 - New International Version

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...16&version=NIV

9I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

**محبة الرحمن** · 27-07-2010, 13:08

11- Jesus asked his disciples to sell what they have and buy sword

Luke 22 -New International Version

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...22&version=NIV

36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one

12 - Jesus insult his disciples

Luke 24- New International Version

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...24&version=NIV

25He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!

**Burninglight** · 23-05-2014, 00:18

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Nearly all Christians believe that Jesus was and is God. That is what the institutional
church has always taught. Christians professedly rely strongly on the Bible for this belief.
Yet there is not a single verse in the Bible which states unequivocally, “Jesus is God,” or
the like. Moreover, the New Testament (NT) gospels have no statement by Jesus in which
he identifies himself as God. In fact, there are many Bible verses which indicate that
Jesus cannot be God by declaring that only the Father is God

First, and foremost, is one of Jesus’ sayings recorded only in the Gospel of John. The
setting is the Last Supper, right before he was arrested and crucified. He prayed for his
disciples, saying, “Father,… This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true
God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17.3). So, Jesus tells the Father that he
is “the only true God” and then distinguishes himself from that one God. Both of these
points clearly indicate that Jesus himself cannot also be God.
Moreover, Jesus identified the Father as the only God. Earlier,
he told his Jewish opponents that the Father is “the one and only God” (John 5.44).

Most of what you said is true, but it is not all true especially you conclusion which is all wrong. Every Christian will admit that Jesus is not the father God, and no where are there many Bible verses which indicate that Jesus cannot be divine by declaring that only the Father is God. What you fail to understand is Christians believe there is only one God, and that Jesus is His word.

It is written that God exalts His word above all His name. There is no evidence that Muhammad even knew the name of God in the Quran or anywhere. Christians don't believe Jesus is God the father, but we all according to Scripture believe that Jesus is all that God is, but not all there is to God. This is a great mystery, and it is not like anything on earth.

Even God calls Jesus His son, and He even refers to Jesus like this: but to the son He says "But thou OH God...." Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my God." You ignored to mention that Jesus did and said things that only God could do and say such as "Your sins are forgiven... I and the father are one..." Jesus accepted worship that only belongs to God.

Christians are not obtuse my friend. They don't need to hear Jesus say "BTW, I am God so believe me when I say it" We know who Jesus is. To know Him is to have eternal life. He said, "No man comes to God except through me" Jesus said, "You will die in your sin unless you believe I am He" did you think Jesus was joking?

IHMO, it sounds like He is talking about people that say things like you are saying. Jesus said, "Before Abraham was I am." If I meditate on these words, I think of when Moses asked God: "Who shall I say sent me?" God responded, "I am that I am." Jesus said, "I am before Abraham" so how can you just blow off all those verses I mentioned and think that one day you will stand before a terrible God and have to explain why you ignored these verses. Personally, I would never trade shoes with you. There are plenty of other Scriptures to show that Jesus is the total spiritual sum of all things and that He is not honored as a prophet unless he is honored above all prophets! To true Christians Jesus is not a messenger; He is the Message!

**3abd Arahman** · 23-05-2014, 07:25

Burninglight,

Do you know that we as muslims believe that there is one God who has no son and who neither gave birth nor was born and Jesus is his word, messenger and servant ?

We as muslims believe that prophet Jesus Pbuh is the word of God but that does not mean to us that he is God or the son of God
We beleve that God who you name the Father is the God of Jesus Pbuh
Whether you believe this or not, this is what Jesus Pbuh himself believed, he used to call the father ( my God)

John 20
17 Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”

This is exactly what we believe about Jesus Pbuh, we believe that the father is his God

There are several other verses in the new testament where the Father was described as the God of Jesus Pbuh

You claimed that Jesus Pbuh accepted worship this is completely wrong, actually Jesus Pbuh himself worshipped God

Jesus Pbuh used to fall on the ground while praying to show his poverty to God and that he is a servant of God exactly as we muslims do in our prayers

Mark 14

35 And He went forward a little, and fell on the ground and prayed that if it were possible, the hour might pass from Him.
36 And He said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible unto Thee. Take away this cup from Me; nevertheless not what I will, but what Thou wilt.”
37 And He came back and found them sleeping, and said unto Peter, “Simon, sleepest thou? Couldest thou not watch one hour?
38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.”

39 And again He went away and prayed and spoke the same words.

You claim that Jesus Pbuh accepted worship, you think this is true because the english translations of the Bible say that people worshipped Jesus. The word that is translated to worship is
προσκυνεο

which may just mean kneel or bow

This is the meaning of this word from the Netbible website :

[TR]
[TD="class: content"]1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence 2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence 3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication 3a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank 3a1) to the Jewish high priests 3a2) to God 3a3) to Christ 3a4) to heavenly beings 3a5) to demons[/TD]
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**3abd Arahman** · 23-05-2014, 07:26

Anyway, I prefer that we chat in one page only not in different pages

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Jesus is not God in the bible

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