excellent , brother....I wish to be rewarded for your help.

but i have some comments :
1st one:

The Bible says: Romans 10:17 (faith comes from hearing the message and the message is heard through the word of Christ). So all your beliefs must be said by Jesus Christ, not Paul, Peter, Mark and Mathew

he believe that jesus spoke to them and he deliver his words to us through them..... i was arguing with him about Paul and he strongly believe that jesus spoke to paul.

2 nd

Where did Jesus spoke about him having human and divine nature, or said I’m God or Worship me

BUT i have asked him that before and he prceed in a very stupid arguement.


3rd

Do you believe that what is told in this verse is a divine moral? And would you like to be a harlot to go to the kingdom of God Matthew 21:31 (Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots [COLOR="red"]go into the kingdom of God before you

BUT i like to ask you can he explain it that he mean that forgiveness will include all even harlots???????

This is not symbolic he means a real sword and here is the prove: Luke 22:38 (And they said, Lord, behold, here are

two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough


this is a new information for me



Really excellent work
please keep on sharing us in our dialogue with this American man

الله ينور عليك
انا برضو قلت كده انه عاوز يشتت الموضوع
اقتراحك موفق بعون الله

anyway i am waiting more suggestions about 10 best questions to be sent to him



wish to get more and more

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
جزاكم الله كل الخير اخي "مسلم علي حق" واخي "ابو علي الفلسطيني"
انا كتبت له اول ايميل الان لطرح 10 اسئلة
بس ارجو من اخي الكريم ابو علي يوضح لي المقصود باسئلته اللي كتبتها في الايميل يعني بمعني انه طبعا انت منتظر منه اجابة ما وانت عندك رد مفحم عليها في النقط دي بس بجد نفسي انك توضح لي المعلومات اللي عندك
really i`ve urgency for knowing more information about qustions you gave to him, could you please explain that for your student (me)
?

really i`m so glad that i get your help easily and i`m supported by your exprience and readings..
plz keep on helping me

the 10 questions i sent him

Hi, Rod

how are you?

wish you`re fine.... i`m glad to receieve your response to my last e mail , i appreciate your request.



i see that we need not to proceed randomly in our discussion..

i see that we should concentrate each time on certain points till we fininshed them , then go to next other points.

i liked your suggestion about sending 10 questions a time and i`d like to remind you that you promise that you`ll answer them without escaping.

But, i`d like also to ask you to give specific answers for each question and not to use the way of preaching with me coz i think it`s useless

we are highly educated so our dialogue must be based on evidences and proofs, ok???





Rod,

i`ve more that 10 questions but i liked to send them 10 by 10 to give you a chance to fullfill the reply and we won`t go to another questions or topics unless we finished those points....to avoid distraction.



My 10 questions to you in this episode are the following:



1- who wrote Bible?



2- when it was written?



3- what marks its begining and what marks its end?



4- when Jesus was born?



5- when Jesus was cruicfied no one of his discple saw him, how did they describe something they never saw????



6- how can we explain contradictions and mistakes in Bible? and how can we explain addition to Bible by some writers? i qoute from a christian theologian

:""...portions of the book were probably added by scribes or editors from later periods of Israel's history... (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 183)"

this was about song of songs.

i qoute also :

Here is what the NIV Bible Theologians and Historians say about the books:
About the books of 1 and 2 Samuel: "Many questions have arisen pertaining to the literary character, authorship and date of 1,2 Samuel."
"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity."
(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368).
About the books of 1 and 2 Kings: "There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings."
"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy."
(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459).



7- In the Old Testament it’s told:
Isaiah 9:6 (For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.)
And Jesus said:
Mathew 10:34 (Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.)
Luke 22:36 (Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
This is not symbolic he means a real sword and here is the prove:
Luke 22:38 (And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.)
Luke 14:26 (If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.)
Is this a prince of peace?
Do you hate all those people mentioned up there? can you hate them? is this the way to the Kingdom of God







8- Jesus said:
Mark 7:27 (But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.)
The Children are sons of Israel and the dogs are the others like you and me, do you believe that this is a Godly justice or just a Jewish racism.
And do you know what should your answer be?
And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
Do you agree with your bible, are you a dog do you accept eating from under the crumbs under the table of the Jews????????



9- Do you believe that what is told in this verse is a divine moral? And would you like to be a harlot to go to the kingdom of God
Matthew 21:31 (Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you)



10- Would you please tell me when Jesus did mention the original sin?
But the fact is that Jesus neglected it, John 15:22 (If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin)



those are my 1st important 10 questions....i`m waiting your reply , then you`ll wait my reply on your reply and so on till we both agree to go to next points.

please not to distract our points we are discussing , coz this will make our dialogue of no value.

Hi, Rod
i`m really surprised about your strange e mail.

first, this law is passed by the government not by God.
Ofcourse we`re not here to defend Egyptian governmental laws but we are here to talk about 2 religions.
second, you are nervous because of this but what about your treatment for muslims in many parts of the world????

when Bosh said that his war is a crusade one ,then can i accuse christianity???!!!!!!!!

when the manger of company of BlackWater said that he is a crusade fighter aiming to get rid on muslims....then can i accuse christianity???!!!!!!!
when Hetler claimed that what he was doing is originating from his christian faith....can i then accuse christianity????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
when Europian armies fired a war and came to invade Eastern countries and making horrible unhuman crimes ..they were coming under the name of crusade campiagns,,,, can we then accuse christianity??????????

So it`s not wise at all to follow these concepts when you are critize a religion.

about the 2 nd item in your e mail
let me quote your statements

What sort of God teaches men to act in this way, a God that plans to give virgins to men as a reward! Sex is a reward in Islam, the outrageous concepts and behavior never seems to end in Islam.



FYI:

Sex is not a reward in Christianity by the way, for your information our corrupted Bible teaches us that God does not encourage lust of the flesh now nor in the future.



The concept you described as outrageous is a very wise protection from outrageous deeds.
How????

by the way i`d like to tell you that rewarding good people by virgins in paradise is one of concepts which impress me toooooooooo much , coz i feel the deep wisedom of God.
let me explain to you:
Dealing with humans differs from dealing with machine, when you are dealing with human , you must put in your mind the human nature.
according to pyschiatry,...Sex and Food are the 2 most important natural lusts of human being.
Islam is dealing with a human beings , not machines and not angels...so he must not neglect their nature and bilogical needs.
so there must be a strong motive to make someone to leave deed can acheieve enjoyment for him, so when God ordered you to restrain your eyes and avoid illegal sex so he offer to you ways of protection and a motivating reward making you to be strong and patient in facing your natural lust.
the highly wise divine wisedom is to make the reward is from the type of action, how?
i mean that one controlling his sexual drive to obey God, so the reward must include the best of the thing he deprive himself from it for the sake of God.
when you are educated your son, and you are asking him to leave the biscycle of his neighbour ,and he is not obeying you , then you told him that if he left it , you will buy for him a doll...he won`t be motivated to leave it as if you you told him that if he left that , you will buy for him a better bicycle.

so the main reward in paradise is to compenate what you bear in life for the sake of God
you restrained your eyes and avoided illegal sex, you will be rewarded by beautiful virgins.
you bear your poverty and hunger and not to steal , you will find happy life with all delicious fruits , meats , drinks and deluxe cloth.......etc


But let me also say other words for you ,

you are intending to humelate muslims by this?
Look, first read your book which is full of sexual hences and abuse.
did you read Song of Songs what is your opinion in these verses


Let us look at Song of Solomon 8:10 "Dear brothers, I'm a walled-in virgin still, but my breasts are full— And when my lover sees me, he knows he'll soon be satisfied"
Let us look at Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies."
Let us look at Song of Songs 1:13 "My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts."
Praising the bed that they had sex on: Let us look at Song of Songs 1:16 "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant"
Let us look at Song of Songs 1:2-4 "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine. Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out. No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you--let us hurry! Let the king bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your love (i.e., semen) more than wine. How right they are to adore you!" I don't think this would be appropriate for a kid under 18 to read. Also, I don't think it is appropriate to have such open sexuality in a divine book anyway.
His right arm sexually feeling her body: Let us look at Song of Songs 2:6 "His left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me."
Let us look at Song of Songs 3:4 "Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mother's house, to the room of the one who conceived me." So in other words, she was not married to him, and when she found him, she took him back to her bed room to have illegal sex with him? If she were married to him, she wouldn't take him to her "mother's house". She would take him to their house.
Let us look at Song of Songs 3:10 "Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its interior lovingly inlaid by the daughters of Jerusalem." Why does the Bible teach young men to spend all of their time and effort to try to impress all of the girls in their town so they can possibly end in bed with them

is this the bible?. look at your book first then say who is interested in sex more muslims or christians



i wish not to distract our dialogue
you are now to reply my 10 questions i sent as you promised....then wait a comment from me then you reply on my comment till we agree that we finished those points and to go to next ones, ok?


anyway i wish for you all best

ده كان ردي ع الايميل التاني

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
unfortunatly i was having a problem in reaching to my inbox on my e mail
and just now i succeed to reach
and i found American man sent me 4 e mails
but let me begin with the 3 rd one
ok????
ok dear Rod??????????

Look at what was found:



https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/showthread.php?p=222149





I see you are getting help from others as I suspected!



I am always shocked at the Muslims devilish cunning ways! Why can you do this by yourself, why do you need help?



I particularly like this:



First,I would like to ask you sister not to be affected by his words because his porpose is to confuse you, and i would like to advise you to read books about Isalm and christianity written by muslim people and order to know how to discuss him and they are availbe in this site in the libraryمنتدى الكتب
I would like to give you these facts about the bible to discuss him with.



I am trying to confuse you!! And all this time I thought I was responding to questions posed by a young lady but in reality I am trying to confuse you!!!! Are you confused yet? And to see that you are being fed questions to ask me, no wonder you dance as you do with what I have said. I had a feeling I was battling more than just a young lady, if that’s what you are, for who knows what else is false or not so with you.



Let this big shot speak to me directly then and you just sit back and watch since I can't confuse him with my dazzling words! Tell him the horse left the barn and is running all over town with the knowledge of his help and he has been challenged for direct dialog so as not to confuse the young sister.



Wow!



It’s just gets more and more interesting!

sorry Rod
i`d like to continue posting your 4 e mail
and unforuntaly that now is 3 am in Egypt and i`ve to sleep coz i`ve work on 8 am
so it`s no time to reply on your e mails . Rod





the 4 th e mail
I really like this:





dear brother , thank you too much for your care and reply
but i`d like to tell you that i`m muslim by heart and mind.
when i wrote this thread , i was searching to get a suitible reply for his stupid mind , not my muslim mind.
don`t worry about about my faith at all.
i`d like all of you join me in calling to Allah , coz i think u`ve more exprience.
any way my e mail
hn_forever@yahoo.com





My stupid mind! Not yours… but my stupid mind!



… so who do you think has the stupid mind now?





How wonderful! My corrupted book tells me to rejoice when I get resentment for the sake of Jesus, so I am actually rejoicing! We are prepared even for this.



And still I want you to have a good day!

his 1 st e mail


I received both emails and I will to respond to this one first. (and be sure and read my last sentence)



You said:



first, this law is passed by the government not by God.

Ofcourse we`re not here to defend Egyptian governmental laws but we are here to talk about 2 religions..



Your government is Islamic and its treatment of Christians in their mist is legitimate question in this debate. It refers to both religions or did you not notice.? Your religion is the reason this law was passed and you need to understand that. I am quite surprise at what you don’t understand, you have much to say but you really don’t seem to understand what is going on around you. Since your Islamic government passed this law restricting and confining Christians I want to know why they have done so, it’s your country and its your religion so respond to the question.



second, you are nervous because of this but what about your treatment for muslims in many parts of the world????



No I am not nervous, I am not the nervous type. And I can't speak for the rest of the world but if my country passed laws restricting other religions I would wonder why and so should you. So you need to understand and appreciate what Islam does to others who are not like them for no reason but because they can. I have no respect for that sort of behavior in a so called religion nor should you. This is happening now today not yesterday, not in history but today. Your religion is doing this today, why are they doing so? And only after you are done responding to the question may you ask a question on what Christian laws are in place today which restrict Islam. Where and what is the law, or else don’t say anything.





when Bosh said that his war is a crusade one ,then can I accuse christianity???!!!!!!!!



You have so much to say but you don’t respond to the question? Does Bush represent Christianity or the interest of a Nation he was elected to serve, don’t mix up the two



when the manger of company of BlackWater said that he is a crusade fighter aiming to get rid on muslims....then can i accuse christianity???!!!!!!!



Are we responsible for what the manager of a company (not a government) does, I think not? And why would it not want to get rid of Muslims when the peace loving Muslims are killing his employees, I suppose he is referring to those wicked muslims.




when Hetler claimed that what he was doing is originating from his christian faith....can i then accuse christianity????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

when Europian armies fired a war and came to invade Eastern countries and making horrible unhuman crimes ..they were coming under the name of crusade campiagns,,,, can we then accuse christianity??????????



What does any of this have to do with the question asked? Do you think because someone or whoever does something wrong that means you can also do something wrong? What sort of Muslim logic is that? Stop trying to excuse Muslim behavior with the behavior of others, (this is a common bogus Muslim excuse they use all the time over and over again) well others don’t mind cartoons that mock their Prophet why doesn’t the Muslim follow that behavior as well, others don’t pass laws to restrict the Muslims religion why don’t you follow that example. So STOP with the comparison and respond to the question, no one is being fooled by this. Answer the question; why your Muslim government is mistreating the Christians, why does your government do this? Can any Muslims give a straight answer to any question about the actions of their leaders, are you all the blind leading the blind?





With all the questions you ask you seem unable to respond to one question, and more will come so I sure hope this is not how you intend to respond to my questions. This will not do.



You don’t seem to see what your religion does well I will help open your eyes to it, from now on.









And the comment about sex in heaven!!! It’s just too much to believe! Today the only person that provided sex to men they have a name for that person and he is called a Pimp do you realize that!!! Has God become a PIMP and you dear try and rationalize the notion with what you think men desire. Well I don’t desire sex or food as much as other men do, so what does that make me, I guess your god as I said would not impress me whatsoever.



so the main reward in paradise is to compenate what you bear in life for the sake of God

you restrained your eyes and avoided illegal sex, you will be rewarded by beautiful virgins.



As you should know sex is not a tool but was meant to be used only for having children, wicked perverted men turned sex into a tool and those same wicked men planted this thought in the minds of men (in Islam) so that those perverted wicked men can come and have many wives and many virgins. You don’t even realize that God does not use tools to draw men He uses TRUTH but you have no concept of that, to you it’s all an act, a sex act no less. And you said to you this shows the deep wisdom of god!!!!!!!!!!! Its Deep wisdom to tell the pervert that he will continue to be a pervert in heaven!!!! This does not seem like wisdom to me at all, it’s like telling the bank robber you can rob banks in heaven too so keep up the good work. And what does the women get are they sex crazed too, it does not seem so, from what I read your god does not have much in store for the women seem he forgot about them or they don’t count, your god seems to have no place for women they are tools only to be used and thrown away by wicked men here today and in heaven (I would not want my mother, sister or daughter (or any women) in your religion my friend, you can keep this religion)? And what if the women refuse and what if they are not beautiful and what if you get 68 and not 70 and what happened to them afterwards are they killed because they are no virgins anymore and what so special about virgins anyway, Muslim what does the wisdom of god tell you for those questions? Make sure and answer them all will you. You don’t know the answer to these questions, is this what you want too? Well as I said I want no part of this Islamic perversion because food and or sex is not so high on my list and there are many men like in this part of the World.



Then you have the nerve to quote the Bible a book you already said you reject. You LOST your right to quote the Bible my friend because you said you reject it! What sort of person quotes what they reject! You don’t even understand that you can do that. If the Bible is counterfeit don’t talk about it, just like you can't spend counterfeit money you can't use what you classify as counterfeit any longer. I will only respond to your last email where you quote the Bible again for the last time.



DO NOT QUOTE THE BIBLE TO ME ANY LONGER FOR ANY REASON YOU DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO BECAUSE YOU STATED THAT YOU REJECTED, SO DON’T QUOTE IT! THIS MUSLIM GAME MUST END ONCE AND FOR ALL, YOU EITHER REJECT IT OR YOU ACCEPT IT BUT YOU CANNOT PICK AND CHOSE WHAT YOU LIKE AND DON’T LIKE IN THE BIBLE IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY AND I WILL NO LONGER RESPOND TO THIS NONSENSE. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO QUOTE THE BIBLE ANYLONGER GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. I WILL QUOTE THE BIBLE TO YOUR SHAME BUT YOU CANNOT, IT MY BOOK THAT I LIVE BY AND I BELIEVE, NOT YOURS. QUOTE YOUR BOOK BECAUSE I WILL NOT QUOTE YOUR BOOK FOR THE SAME REASON! Quote only what you don’t believe not what you believe, because you have rejected it so focus on what you term rejected statements with the associated reasons for the rejections in the Bible. This is what I intend to do with the Quran. I understand and appreciate that you reject the Bible, that is not a problem for me at all, you are not the first person to feel this way nor the last. But we must play by some sort of logical rules here or it does not make sense. Its important to be fair so we must be fair, you can't say you like one verse over another because you like what it says or what it says paints a bad light on the Christians for I am beginning to see these are the verses the Muslims believe those that make God look weak or Christians look like fools well we know this and can't allow it to continue you must reject it all as we do the Quran or accept it all as we don’t the Quran, but we will not play games with you in this area so please be fair and do the same for us in this dialog.



My tone has changed because I don’t like the direction this is going at times. And I will respond to your questions one at a time until that topic is closed I want each question to be a closed matter so that you may never ask these again to anyone because they are nothing new yet to the Muslim they think their questions are new to the world, they are not new each question have been long answered and Christ is still God and Bibles are still the biggest seller in the World nevertheless, how can this be when some Muslim governments tries so hard to restrict Christians and other governments ban the Bible and burn the Bible and all manner of things to stop the counterfeit Jesus Loving Christians but they continue like dogs eating crumbs under the Master’s table! You don’t think we get it, we get it, it is you who don’t get it so continue in Islam.



I can do more than one thing at a time or keep more than one conversation going at a time so respond to each separately. Don’t get confused and don’t mix them up. Thank you I know you are able, we live in a complex world with complex things happing all the time. And time is running out so let’s get to the heart of the matter because it can't be both yours and mine, its one or the other



Have a wonderful day and try to remember this (if it matters): you I like and appreciate very much, it’s your religion I don’t like, please remember this always! Take care