Which makes more sense Islam or Christianity

[محمد سني 1989]

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I never said gaining knowledge means being born again. It seems you make untrue statements about what I am saying to gain advantage, but it won't work you also made an untrue state about me in the previous post saying I know nothing about Christianity and I know nothing about Islam. This is easy to prove wrong; for instance, I know that in your religion you believe that the slave messenger of Allah is Muhammad whose name you must mention in the second part of the shahada to be a Muslim; I know that Islam falsely accuses Christianity of associating partners to God; I know that Islam accuses the Christians of having a corrupted Bible that the Jews changed, but they don't know who among the Jews did this or when and how much they corrupted, where or what they corrupted nor their motive or how they benefited from changing it.

I know that Christians see this as an attempt to promote the Quran. They see it as nonsense, because if Allah wouldn't or couldn't preserve the torah and gospel that came before logic and common sense tells us he wouldn't be able to do it after. Muslims are, therefore, expecting me to believe that man's power to corrupt was greater than Allah's power to preserve the Scripture that came before.
Muslims expect me to believe Allah couldn't come up with at least one uncorrupted torah and gospel among the nations to show his power to preserve all his words and not just the Quran which Uthman put to writing without a divine mandate to do so from Allah.

Why didn't Allah see the corruption coming to the torah and gospel and be its guardian at the time his word needed protection from the Jews??? This is tooooooo far fetch, and for this reason Christianity makes more sense than a religion that has to cut down Jews and Christians and even the torah and gospel to promote Islam. Show me where the Quran says the gospel Allah sent down to his prophet for guidance and light is corrupted or missing! If you cannot, such a statement is contrived and should be ignored and will be.

Also when I post to you, your responses comes across as attacking, rude, belligerent and insecure. Why is that your reaction? You don't understand that variation's in the gospel are to be expected and do NOT effect the central gospel message. Moreover, I don't want you to see a sign of my knowledge. Knowledge is puffed up as the great apostle Paul would say. Love edifies and is not puffed up.
Christians will in the name of Jesus tear down every imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God with the sword of the spirit and of God's word. This is not a physical sword it is the word of God which is quick and powerful sharper than any two edged blade that pierces to the dividing of the soul and spirit the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
All the verses you quoted from the Quran are accusatory toward people of the Scripture. The Bible says Satan is the accuser of the saints. Anyone who has Jesus (Born again) is a saint. The Quran in some places tells us people of the Scripture we are noble, and we should stand on the Scripture that as been revealed to us, and then it tells us when we do it we confuse falsehood for truth. This is contradiction and confusion. The Bible tells us that Satan is not only the father of lies, he is the author of confusion. In light of this new evidence, I rule in favor of Christianity making more sense than Islam.

Peace

You said that born again does not mean more knowledge (although you did in a previous response and you know it) then what is it ??? before and after ???

As for who corrupted the bible , one example : Paul with the beliefs and representation of Jesus.
Another the writers of Mark , Matthew , luke and John over the years.

Corrupting the scripture is not proving that man's power is more than god especially that the line of prophets is still going on. This actually contradicts your earlier statement of addmitting the varriations exist but does not affect the central theme (although it does) !!!!
Meaning that one of the reasons god sent prophets to the israelites was that they kept manipulating the OT , and by those prophets God has revealed his righteousness. Man can never have the upper hand on God. The scriptures was given to the Jews as a commitment for them to keep it safe rather they fullsified it and preached other ideologies. One example is the number of books in the OT which Jews differed on like the samaritan OT which has much less books in it than the traditional jewish book. You cannot say that they are both right because they both have different scriptures and both accuse each other of corrupting the bible

AS for the writting of it and the original torah and gospel . There was during the time of Moses and Jesus the original Torah and original gospel respectively which muslims believe that is what the quran says . Uthman never wrote the quran , it was already compiled and written during the time of the prophet and Abu bakr as Ishowed you before (and you know it) , what Uthman did is that he took the quran which Zaid wrote during the time of abubakr and made many copies of it to distribute to all the islamic cities.

While the NT for example we do not know who the writers were??? We have four accounts of jesus ??? The earliest gospel (Mark) was written 40 AD
Christianity depends on the historical manuscript to prove the authenticity of these scriptures (not oral tradition) yet the oldest is a fragment of the gospel of John dating back to the first half of the second century!!!!!! The earlies manuscripts themselves also contain multiple variations!!!! by multiple biblical new testament scholars describe it as thousands!!!! Me myself when I first heard and saw this , I thought to myself christians are definetly going to deny this , however surprisingly they did not !!!! their excuse it does not affect the central message !!! and they still claim it is from god and the writers with their variations were inspired by God!!!!! This my friend shows that christianity makes no sense at all.

Knowledge is a way to know god more . You and Paul's negativity towards knowldge contributes the anti knowledge-science heritage that the church holds throughout its history. The message I see from your dialogue and from what you are saying is close your eyes and mind and just believe , whether it makes sense or not which is ironic since this topic is about which religion makes more sense. So when you say stuff like that you are not contributing positively to your argument rather you are contradicting your own conclusion!!!!

The Quran distingushes in the previous Israel prophetic times between the people of the scriptures who obeyed and those who disobeyed. There is a difference for example between Kaleb the follower of Moses and Aron peace be upon them and Korah or Karoon in Arabic. Kaleb is a believer and a divote servant of God while Korah is in hell. There is a difference between Judas and paul on one hand and Peter and John on the other hand.

However it is important to note that even though you talk too much about the Quran yet you still do not actually quote it which means that you do not actually read it rather hear what your pastors , priests , bishops say.

And more importantly I think you have avoided quoting the last response to avoid answering passages like this :




If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 14: 26



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Jesus could not have said both because they are both speaking of his last words :

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And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT." Having said this, He breathed His last.

Luke 23: 46

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

Mark 15: 37

This was his last moment , a loud cry so according to Mark his last words was god why have you forsaken me

I know what you will say , you will say the loud cry is what jesus said in Luke , that is wrong in two ways :

1. Mark and Matthew are both older than Luke , Mark 40 AD Matthew 70-100 AD . As for Luke it was written 80- 90 AD

2. biblical commentary describe the loud cry in Mark as something different:

Verse 37.

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And Jesus uttered a loud voice, and gave up the ghost

. The three synoptists all mention this cry,

which appears to have been something different from the words

which he uttered at or about the time of his death.

It was evidently something supernatural

, and was so regarded by the centurion who stood by; and who had no doubt been accustomed to scenes like these.

Source :

Pulpit Commentary

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