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It is sad. I know you mean it in the sense that the Bible is the lie, but the Scripture says "Let every man be a liar but God's word is true." You might sincerely believe that you're not saying Satan is right and God is wrong, but inadvertently that is what you're doing.
Again you trying to make me say things I have not said, I said you Christians claim this according to your bible, the fact that you Claim God said to them you will die when you eat this. Then you trying to twist the truth by having different interpretation to justify your belief, by twisting the verse to say what you want them to say!
You are sincere, but sincerely wrong, and you patronize me with "I don't have time for this" as if you have the corner on truth and what I share is not true. I am spending time trying correct your misconceptions of Christianity and you act as if your time is better than mine, pfft. Yes, it is very sad.
I never said my time was better than yours, you are saying that. I said I don’t have time for people who twist the truth, there are people who are sincere, and I am not saying you have to agree with me, just don’t twist the truths, and make me say things I have not said because that is patronising.
You seem to believe God would leave His creation without His uncorrupted word or central message for a thousand + years until he could bring a messenger of Islam to straighten out what needed no correction. This makes no sense to me at all. Joseph Smith tried it and people are sucked into lies by the millions because they are willing to drop the Bible at a drop of the hat.
Well Islam does not make sense to you because you do not want it to make sense but let me put this in prospective, as a lot of Christians do not bother searching for Islam from its source, they just use the same hate propaganda that been used against Islam in years. For me if Muslims claim something against Christianity, I will hear from both sides, and I don’t just carry what I have been told, there are cases Christians will answer some aspects credibly, and it make sense to me (not the whole religion) but some aspects, they have valid answers for. Christians I discuss with however, they try to twist the truth, and as I said the same old lies against Islam, like we are in debate war, it is not who win the debate that matters, it is who will have the last laugh in the life after.
Now let’s write the simple story of Islam, God created Angels, and Jin, and then Human. He created Adam peace be upon him, the father of humanity with desires, and free will, we have freedom of will, responsibility for our choice of action and the consequent accountability before God, the same goes for Jin except Satan or Iblis.
Angeles in Islam do not sin, they have no free will, they do what they are told from God, and unlike Christianity we don’t believe that Satan was an angel, he was great servant of God but he disobeyed God, and the difference between his disobedience and of Adam, that Adam repented while Iblis refuse to repent, and his only ask from God was just delay my punishment until judgement day, and I will bring to hell as much as I could from the son of Adam.
((Iblis) said: “See this one whom You have honored above me, if You give me respite until the Day of Resurrection, I will surely seize and mislead his offspring all but a few!”) (Quran 17:62).
(Verily, My servants — you have no authority over them. And All-Sufficient is your Lord as a Guardian.) (Quran 17:65).
God created us, and then thought our father how to repent, and who is his enemy. Adam peace be upon him was a messenger to his children, and he was the first messenger on Earth, the message is the same worship one God, and do not associate any partners with him and follow the messenger.
Every messenger came with miracles, and books but Satan will send people astray from the truth then God will send, another messenger. People go astray, even to this day, you see so many sects, and divisions in one religion, they cannot be all the truth.
If God only sent one messenger and one book then people will complain why he did not send more, but God has sent many messengers, and every time the book get changed, corrupted etc so God sealed the religion with one more messengers, as prophet Muhammad peace be upon him as last messenger, and he did not come with new message it was the same “The Lord our God, the Lord is one” the only difference this time, since people like to see themselves, there were no more messengers, so how about miracles ? it had to stay, so God promised to preserve the last book from corruption, and that by itself is a miracle. Although it is miracles in many other aspects but that warrant another thread.
This is the story of Islam in short so what does not make sense??, as I explained God did not leave people without a message, and also prophet Muhammad peace be upon him did not come with new messages, it was the same of all prophets, Adam, Ibrahim, Jesus, Moses, and every messenger peace be upon them all.
Human are created with desires, and free will, animals only have desires. Islam teaches that what is halal (permissible), you can enjoy, and what is not allowed you avoid, as human are created with desires, God did not deprive us but he sets limits for us for example, marriage is permissible in Islam but fornication is not. That why we Muslims, find that priests and nuns who decide to not get married ever very strange, we see them as human who are been deprived of natural feelings, so when we read of news of priests scandals with kids, it does not surprise us at all, because when you deprive human of natural feelings, they become animals. Humans are not sinless but messengers are protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir) is the view of the majority of the scholars of Islam.
We human sin because we were created that way , AND not because Adam and eve brought it for us or because we inherited.
Now let’s hear the story of Christianity, God created Adam and Eve, and he forbid them from eating from one tree and when they do eat from the tree God does not forgive them, and he sent messenger after messenger and these messengers none of them mention that the son of God will be crucified. In fact after thousands of years, the son of God appear, he does not even say to them I am going to be crucified, so God the father send his son while his son is him, and holy spirit is him too but never in order of Holy spirit, son, then Father even though they are equal!! So any way in order to go back to paradise and redeem ourselves from the sin our father and mother committed we have to accept that the son of God was spat on killed, and humiliated, and accepting this humiliation upon the son of God you gain your salivation., makes perfect sense!
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