Adam and Eve in the Bible and the Quran

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First God does put the blame on Eve , The idea here is that the bible tells us that the serpent only tricked eve and eve tricked adam while in the quran they were both tricked by satan. So ultimately the fact that Adam peace be upon him ate was because of Eve, the context of Genesis clearly shows this :

[The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree and I ate it] (Genesis 3:12)
Then even in the punishment of adam Adam is blamed FOR LISTENING TO EVE NOT THE SERPANT :


[Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree … cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life] (Genesis 3:17)


More clearly is what first god said to Eve :


13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”


Genesis 3:13

the sin was not who was tricked by Satan.. But the outcome of the trickery.. Which was disobedience against God... That was the sin Adam, Eve and Satan paid for. Adam and Eve paid the penalty for their sin and then God in His mercy forgave them... Even giving them a chance to put right their wrong by their own action through their seed. satan was cursed for eternity.
Genesis 3:12 Adam is passing the blame to God... And trying to wriggles out of responsibility for his own actions.. Eve did not force him.. He could have said no.
Genesis 3:17 so you think that the fact Adam listened to Eve is a greater sin to be punished for above his own disobedience to God?... And one should add ..attempting to pass the blame.
Genesis 3:13 is God blaming Eve here.. Or is He ascertaining the facts by asking her .. What is this you have done? Do you think that God did not already know the answer to this question? Of course He did.. God is omniscient.. God was making Eve see the folly of her sin... And face up to her disobedience.

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According to the Bible, God had said that when Adam eats from the tree he would surely die, “but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die..” Genesis 2:17
and the serpent said they will not surely die.
The serpent was right
—they did not die.]
Then you come up and accuse her of god lying !!!!!!


She did not accuse god of anything we do not belive in the bible but you do . She is showing you what THE BIBLE ACCUSES GOD , either this or we have a clear CONTRADICTION try to understand what others are saying before throwing such accusations

I don't think anyone accused anyone of lying.. But really.. They did die. It refers to spiritual death as well as physical. To be cut of from God by sin is spiritual death and worse than physical death.... of course they did die a physical death also...Not immediate.. But then the serpent never mentioned a timescale.

[محمد سني 1989]

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the sin was not who was tricked by Satan.. But the outcome of the trickery.. Which was disobedience against God... That was the sin Adam, Eve and Satan paid for. Adam and Eve paid the penalty for their sin and then God in His mercy forgave them... Even giving them a chance to put right their wrong by their own action through their seed. satan was cursed for eternity.
Genesis 3:12 Adam is passing the blame to God... And trying to wriggles out of responsibility for his own actions.. Eve did not force him.. He could have said no.
Genesis 3:17 so you think that the fact Adam listened to Eve is a greater sin to be punished for above his own disobedience to God?... And one should add ..attempting to pass the blame.
Genesis 3:13 is God blaming Eve here.. Or is He ascertaining the facts by asking her .. What is this you have done? Do you think that God did not already know the answer to this question? Of course He did.. God is omniscient.. God was making Eve see the folly of her sin... And face up to her disobedience.



I don't think anyone accused anyone of lying.. But really.. They did die. It refers to spiritual death as well as physical. To be cut of from God by sin is spiritual death and worse than physical death.... of course they did die a physical death also...Not immediate.. But then the serpent never mentioned a timescale.

Again I am not arguing with you about whether Adam sinned or not (disobeyed or not ) Everybody agrees that he ate from the tree , the focus here is on the MAGNITUDE OF BLAME ON EVE AND HOW ADAM AND THE BIBLE PORTRAYES HER PLEASE FOCUS

As for Adam passing blame : Adam passed blame in the bible to Eve not god in Genesis 3:12

The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."

Also according to Genesis 3: 17
17 But to Adam he said,
“Because you obeyed your wife
and ate from the tree about which I commanded you,
‘You must not eat from it,’
cursed is the ground thanks to you;
in painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.

To answer your question about this passage , Your question does not make sense since it was his listening to Eve that led him to the disobedience of god . Please try to focus here is what god replied in the bible :
But to Adam he said,
“Because you obeyed your wife
and ate from the tree about which I commanded you

As for the last passage Yes god is blaming her :
Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."


This is because the question was retorical and because gGOD HAS ALREADY ASKED ADAM BEFORE :
12The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate."13Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate

SO ADAM THREW THE BLAME ON EVE AND GOD ASKED HER RETORICALLY WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ??? PUTTING THE BLAME OF ADAM EATING ON EVE , EVE REPLIED THAT THE SERPENT HAVE DECIEVED HER NOT THEM BUT HER

I think the context is clear enough to everybody

For your last point that is just a claim with no evidence :

first the context does not talk about spiritual death :

17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will surely die.”
Genesis 2: 17

The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit from the trees of the orchard; 3 but concerning the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the orchard God said, ‘You must not eat from it, and you must not touch it, or else you will die.’
Genesis 3: 2-3

The death here is only a physical death since the serpent replies to eve by :
4 The serpent said to the woman, “Surely you will not die, 5 for God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will open and you will be like divine beings who know good and evil.”

So was there openess of eyes spiritual or physical ? it was physical :
7 Then the eyes of both of them opened, and they knew they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
Genesis 3: 7

Second it was god who said they would die not the serpent

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Again I am not arguing with you about whether Adam sinned or not (disobeyed or not ) Everybody agrees that he ate from the tree , the focus here is on the MAGNITUDE OF BLAME ON EVE AND HOW ADAM AND THE BIBLE PORTRAYES HER PLEASE FOCUS

As for Adam passing blame : Adam passed blame in the bible to Eve not god in Genesis 3:12

The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."

Also according to Genesis 3: 17
17 But to Adam he said,
“Because you obeyed your wife
and ate from the tree about which I commanded you,
‘You must not eat from it,’
cursed is the ground thanks to you;
in painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.

To answer your question about this passage , Your question does not make sense since it was his listening to Eve that led him to the disobedience of god . Please try to focus here is what god replied in the bible :
But to Adam he said,
“Because you obeyed your wife
and ate from the tree about which I commanded you

As for the last passage Yes god is blaming her :
Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."


This is because the question was retorical and because gGOD HAS ALREADY ASKED ADAM BEFORE :
12The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate."13Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate

SO ADAM THREW THE BLAME ON EVE AND GOD ASKED HER RETORICALLY WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ??? PUTTING THE BLAME OF ADAM EATING ON EVE , EVE REPLIED THAT THE SERPENT HAVE DECIEVED HER NOT THEM BUT HER

I think the context is clear enough to everybody

For your last point that is just a claim with no evidence :

first the context does not talk about spiritual death :

17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will surely die.”
Genesis 2: 17

The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit from the trees of the orchard; 3 but concerning the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the orchard God said, ‘You must not eat from it, and you must not touch it, or else you will die.’
Genesis 3: 2-3

The death here is only a physical death since the serpent replies to eve by :
4 The serpent said to the woman, “Surely you will not die, 5 for God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will open and you will be like divine beings who know good and evil.”

So was there openess of eyes spiritual or physical ? it was physical :
7 Then the eyes of both of them opened, and they knew they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
Genesis 3: 7

Second it was god who said they would die not the serpent

Sorry, but what is the point you are trying to make here? Satan was not right in saying "you shall not surely die." God didn't say Adam would die immediately after he ate or touched the fruit; so, He was as right as God always is. When Adam ate, the death process started in his physical body just as it is with us today. As you read this post, you are come that much closer to your physical death. It is written: "It is appoint unto man once to die; after that comes the judgment." We don't fear the judgment after physical death, because we have not be appointed unto wrath, and Jesus took the sting out of death for us. The last Adam (Christ) makes us right with God, and He helps us live perfectly before God as the Lord continually transforms us to the image of His son! We people of the Book know in whom we have believed.

Peace be unto you

[محمد سني 1989]

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Sorry, but what is the point you are trying to make here? Satan was not right in saying "you shall not surely die." God didn't say Adam would die immediately after he ate or touched the fruit; so, He was as right as God always is. When Adam ate, the death process started in his physical body just as it is with us today. As you read this post, you are come that much closer to your physical death. It is written: "It is appoint unto man once to die; after that comes the judgment." We don't fear the judgment after physical death, because we have not be appointed unto wrath, and Jesus took the sting out of death for us. The last Adam (Christ) makes us right with God, and He helps us live perfectly before God as the Lord continually transforms us to the image of His son! We people of the Book know in whom we have believed.

Peace be unto you

Of couse here you ignored my whole response and focussed on just what is physical and so on

You claimed there was a spiritual death in the previous response, this response was just to proves to you that the text is not talking in a retorical way there is only the physical death in the passage

Please read my reply carefully