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Well as I said in my whole reply, we believe there is some truth left, and the Quran tell us, that the name is there, so it is there. You do not believe it, you are within your right to do so but I just explained why we do.


Does the Quran say exactly where Mohammed is mentioned in the Torah and the Gospels? No?? So then that leaves you in the position of finding it yourselves. Which in a work the size and scope of the Bible will not be an easy task. On that basis I can see where the totally random muslim claims come from.. You are told Mohammed is mentioned so therefore you must above all find the reference otherwise the Quran is in error. It should not be that hard to find, Jesus was mentioned more than 150 times in the Old Testament alone. The Prophets did not foretell of other Prophets ..by name.. They only knew others would come after their time had ended, yet many of them of them foretold of Jesus as the Messiah.

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We will see, maybe you can explain it for me.
lol... I can but try. :)

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People can say something and do the opposite of what they are saying, as they say “actions speak louder than words”.
I have no time for double standards. You need to understand that from the start. I speak from my own heart and mind. In matters of faith I am guided by the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit as everyone who is part of the Living Gospel is.

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I hope you do as you preach, and stand by what you have said.
? ? I always do.

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What so rude about been in bubble word?? maybe bad choice of word, I try not to be intimidating next time.
if you don't see how such comments can be seen as rude, then I can't help you there.

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No youtube, any other requests?
Nope.. Maybe not to heavy on the quotes from "scholars" even former Christian ones.. As at the end of the day it's just their opinion which is of no greater value than your own in my eyes.

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I know exactly who is Kenneth Cragg, most Orientals were not fair about Islam BUT there are facts, even haters cannot deny. For example, if someone hate you Pandora, and says all the bad things about you, even if they were not true But then he says facts, for example Pandora is tall, that is a fact he cannot deny, and does not really matter what else he says. The oral transmission of the Quran is a FACT, no religion can compete and bring something like it.
How did you know I am tall??? Fact is oral transmission in itself is not any guarantee that the Quran is what it claims to be. Given time I could memorise the works of Shakespeare.. That is not proof they are divine in nature. I always quite liked rev Kenneth Cragg.. :)

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I think you saw the other thread and you were disappointed, not great acts from normal people let alone prophets of God, I will not dwell in this too much as I take it is sensitive subject but I would love to know your input on it but we will leave it to last.
I think I explained the nature of my disappointment. I am sorry that for whatever reason you find the fact that the Biblical Prophets were portrayed as what they were.. That is ordinary men and women and as such were prone to the weaknesses all ordinary men and women are prone to.. That my friend is why we need God. I will explain at some point, on another thread if you wish why it is important that the Prophets are ordinary people who were chosen to do Gods will on earth.. And not some sinless super beings. Unless you find it too sensitive an issue for you.

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You have to explain this!
For a lie to be taken as a truth it has to be convincing, how more convincing for a lie to be hidden amidst the truth. You should ask yourself who you consider your enemy here.. Christians? Jews? Or anyone who is not a Muslim... I see we have a greater common enemy which we should be combining our efforts to defeat.. That enemy is Satan. I do not think Islam deals with Satan satisfactorily, we must all be on our guard for he is the father of lies and the master of deception and his kingdom is here now on earth. His aim is not to tempt you to sin, His aim is greater than that. Maybe I have gone off on a tangent here.. And Satan and our differing views of him should be dealt with another time.

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That is part of the subject we will talk about.
May I ask when this will happen? :-D

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Fair enough
Right then. Good one.. We concur..

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According to me of course but are you sure about that?[/QUOTE

Yep.. Pretty much as one can be sure of anything.

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I thought we were getting along like house on fire!
Really..... Maybe it would be wise if we stocked up on fire extinguishers... Just in case. ;)

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I have no wish to attempt to prove your belief in Islam is misplaced......


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You wish to prove it but you cannot, and it is within your right to do so.
As you say.. As is also your right.

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Really ?
Yes... Really.

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What did the Quran say about Jesus that is bad? He is honored mighty messenger of God and his mother the best women of this world!
I explained why referring to Jesus as the Son of Mary was disrespectful. I gave you the information and the reasons why it is so, the choice is yours and is something you will be judged upon.

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Teaching of Jesus peace be upon him?? According to the bible?? Which Jesus, the one for the old testament or the new testament, as there is two different personalities emerges.
Yes, it has to be according to the Bible because that is the only place you will find His teachings. Actually.. If you start with the "Sermon on the Mount"you should get the picture. Where do you find the personality of Jesus in the Old Testament? Where do you look for His personality in the Old Testament? And in what way do you see they are different?

See... How easy it is to keep back and forth addressing points raised.. Whilst keeping you from your mission of providing the thread with the proof.. :) we need to have more hours in the day or speed this forum up some.

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Of course it does, not disrespect but some domination have more books that consider the bible, as for me the forum is for Sunni, so it not a secret.
I guess then you could say I am Anglican would be nearest. You can just stick with the 66 books used by all or you can include the deuterocanonical and the Gnostics if you like. Whatever you prefer..It really doesn't matter that some denominations use more books it does not mean that those who use the usual 66 are somehow denied access to the others. I should just mention IMHO that faith and God are not to be found in any "religion".. Religion is the framework to seek and find God.. Your faith comes when you find Him.

Peace to you.