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Quote Originally Posted by محمد سني 1989 View Post
OK I will choose to speak about Ishmael and prophet hood from his linage :

This topic was already discussed between me and pandora and I proved how sons of ishmael were actually promissed to have a prophet :

in the OT:

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Deuteronomy 18 :18

Bretheren here can refer to the ishmailites which are the cousins of the israelites , not the israelites . Bretheren from the context of the bible was used for non israelites :

And Moses sent messengers from Kadesh unto the king of Edom, Thus saith thy brother Israel, Thou knowest all the travail that hath befallen us

Numbers 20 : 14

The blessing of ishmael :

Genesis (17:20):” As for Ishmael, I am heeding you: I hereby bless him. I will make him fertile and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve chieftains, and I will make of him a great nation.”

A great nation as defined by the bible:
6 Observe them carefully, for thus will
you give evidence of your wisdom and intelligence to the nations
, who will hear of all these statutes and say,
'This great nation is truly a wise and intelligent people.'
7 For what great nation is there that has gods so close to it as the LORD, our God, is to us whenever we call upon him?
8 Or what great nation has statutes and decrees that are as just as this whole law which I am setting before you today?”
Deutronomy 4: 6-8

So a great nation in the bible is one which worships god alone and has the law of god which applies to the arabs in the prophecy of genesis

This is affirmed by jesus when he tells the israelites:
Matthew (21:43) “Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to anation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


As for the prophecy regarding the burdon upon Arabia :

13The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling companies of Dedanim.14The inhabitants of the land of Tema brought water to him that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him that fled.15For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword, and from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war. 16For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail. 17And the residue of the number of archers, the mighty men of the children of Kedar, shall be diminished: for the LORD God of Israel hath spoken it.


Isaiah 21


This clearly describes a revelation in Arabia and the hijra of the prophet describing a war between the children of Kedar and then describes the inhabitants of Tema تيماء which is an area which contains Madina, Fadak , Khaibar, Alola . Kedar is one of the sons of Ishmael.

Also in the begining of Isaiah :
"And he saw a chariot [with] a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, [and] a chariot of camels .."
(Isaiah 21:7)

The chariot of asses refers to :
"And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,"
(John 12:14)


This is clearly described in the jewish book the secrets of Rabbi Shimon :

ince he saw the kingdom of Ishmael that was coming, he began to say: "Was it not enough what the wicked kingdom of Edom has done to us, but [we deserve] the kingdom of Ishmael too?" At once Metatron, the foremost angel (sar ha-penim), answered him and said: "Do not fear, son of man, for the Almighty only brings the kingdom of Ishmael in order to deliver you from this wicked one (Edom). He raises up over them (Ishmaelites) a prophet according to His will and He will conquer the land for them, and they will come and restore it to greatness, and a great dread will come between them and the sons of Esau." Rabbi Simon answered him and said: "How [is it known] that they are our salvation?" He (Metatron) said to him: "Did not the prophet Isaiah say that 'he saw a chariot with a pair of horsemen etc.'? Why did he put hte chariot of asses before the chariot of camels when he should rather have said 'a chariot of camels and [then] a chariot of asses,' because when he (Ishmael, i.e. the Arabs) goes forth [to war], he rides upon on a camel, and when the kingdom will arise by his hands he rides upon an ass? [Given that he said the reverse of this], the chariot of asses, since he (the Messiah) rides upon an ass, shows that they (the Ishmaelites, represented by the chariot of camels) are a salvation for Israel, like the salvation of the rider on an ass (i.e. the Messiah)."

Source : (Simon ben Yohai, Secrets, 78-79 [pp. 309-310])

This was known for the jews because when they asked Jesus they mentioned three figures :

John, chapter 1:”
19 And this is the testimony of John. When the Jews from Jerusalem sent priests and Levites (to him) to ask him, "
Who are you?"
20 he admitted and did not deny it, but admitted, "
I am not the Messiah
."
21 So they asked him, "
What are you then? Are you Elijah?" And he said, "I am not
." "
Are you THE PROPHET?" He answered, "No."

So the prophet , Elijah and the Messiah three distinct figures which they were awaiting one the prophet was from Ishmael

Note: I am focussing on the idea of prophethood from Ishmael's legacy








It is interesting how you put that together, but Christians and Jews alike don't honor some of the sources you mentioned. We honor Deut. 18, but that verse was speaking about Jesus as mentioned in the gospel before you prophet was born. The phrase "from out of your brethren" was used in the Bible to mention Israelites as well. Deut. is not going to work for you, and the other sources aren't recognized, because of what Gen. 21:12 states regarding Ishmael
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