Salam Aleikom

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Yes, thank you for your welcome and enjoy our sharp, but fair, discussion

I hope it won't be too sharp;

Allah said:29|46|And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.

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So now: medias in res, directly to the point:

I stand for christianity in my belief, this means that I speak from my "evangelischem" point of view, as a Christian Protestant

In our eyes religion is not neither an agenda neither a timetable
From my point of view religion demands reponsability from the human

what's wrong with agendas & timetables ?

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And why this?


Yes, because it is true, religion is human-made This does not imply anything good or bad

In christianity we notice this especially when we read a book like "misquoting Jesus " for Bart Ehrman " .


but the concept of religion is totally different in Islam .

In Arabic language religion (deen) means authority , faith, judgement ,submission ,recompense.

Allah said:3|19|Lo! religion with Allah (is) The Surrender (to His will and guidance).

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My approach to religion is human, we all are not Christians, nor Muslems, nor of other religion, WE are HUMANS

Allah said :49|13|O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware.

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Why the world, the nature and the humans are created, nobody knows, really nobody knows, so religion is a good measure to understand, to comprehend and also to cope with the fascination of creation

I agree with you .

Allah said :51|56|I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.

Allah said :23|115|Deemed ye then that We had created you for naught, and that ye would not be returned unto Us?

Allah said:6|165|He it is who hath placed you as viceroys of the earth and hath exalted some of you in rank above others, that He may try you by (the test of) that which He hath given you. Lo! Thy Lord is swift in prosecution, and lo! He is Forgiving, Merciful.

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You wrote God has created the world and created us to worship him and to live in this world by his teachings. If we do that we will be happy at life and after death

According to my opinion this is wrong
In contrary, this proves that religion is human-made
It is a typically human trait to claim for God that he needs us to worship him
If I were a king, then it would be human to raise my self-esteem by my inferiors worshipping me
If I am a public or private authority, then it would be my trait and need to be admired, to be accepted, to be popular

How can we proclaim that God wants to be worshipped, this is typically human
Yes, the world and the nature with human beings is fascinating This is true and nobody can deny it
If somebody tells me, human’s duty is to worship this will make me think that God needs us humans and that is wrong
Furthermore you write: and he is God who has no needs like humansExactly, so God does not need us

I agree with you that Allah Almighty doesn't need us at all & that was stated in the Quran :

29|6|And whosoever striveth, striveth only for himself, for lo! Allah is altogether Independent of (His) creatures.

Hadith Qudsi :Narrated Abu-Dhar :The Prophet said that Allah said: O My slaves! I have forbidden injustice for Myself, so it is forbidden amongst you. So, do not be unjust to each other. O My slave! All of you are liable to go astray except the one whom I guide on the right path. So (always) seek guidance from Me, I will guide you. O My slave! All of you are hungry except the one whom I feed. So ask Me for food. I shall feed you. O My slave! All of you are naked except the one whom I make wear. So ask Me to make you wear and I shall make you wear. O My slave! You commit mistakes (sins) by day and night; and I forgive all the sins. So ask Me forgiveness, I shall forgive you (your sins). O My slaves! You will not attain harming Me so as to harm Me, and you will not attain benefiting Me so as to benefit Me. O My slaves! Were the first of you and the last of you, the human being of you and the jinn of you to be as pious as the most pious heart of any one of you, that would not increase My Kingdom anything. O My slaves! Were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as wicked as the most wicked heart of any one of you, that would not decrease My kingdom anything. O My slaves! Were the first of you, the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to rise up in any place and make a request to Me and I have to give every one what he requested, that would not decrease what I have anything more than a needle decreases the sea if it is put into it. O My slaves! Rather it is but your deeds which I will reckon for you, and then recompense for. So let, who finds good, praise Allah and let, who finds other than that, blame no one but himself.

(This Hadith is sound and related by Muslim)

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More-over you write: The Christians also worship three Gods in one, and claim that Jesus is another god
This is not correct, there is one God, the Father, Jesus, his Son and the Spirit, this is called Trinität

why don't you just say that you believe in one God ?

there's nothing mentioned in TNK about the trinity .

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And on my behalf I do not worship, I believe or you can say I verify my responsibility in my daily life and I am the only one to be responsible

I can understand why you don't worship for Jesus as he never claimed being someone to be worshipped .

Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and himonly shalt thou serve.

I won't comment on that verse .

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As I said in the beginning Christianity is neither an agenda, neither a timetable and this is the evident difference between Christianity and Islam

I disagree with you , we don't believe in "deity of Jesus " nor the" original sin" neither "the crucifiction & redemption " & lots of other differences .

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Christianity does not want followers on its behalf, Christianity demands responsibility, maturity

if christianity doesn't want followers , why sending missionaries all over the world ?

even atheists need to be responsible &mature to go on in this life . Everyone needs to be responsible & mature .

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For some people this is a great problem They prefer having rules how to behave, but Christianity from the protestant point of view needs people to be mature, to assess from their own

To follow rules doesn't mean that one can't or doesn't assess oneself .

But the question is : Are these rules Divine ?

if yes : one should follow .

if not :one shouldn't .

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Unfortunately humans are egoistic and selfish, so we have always problems in policy, in economy, ecology, sociology, paedagogy and so on and so on until we come to religion, there we come to different opinions, believes also, so are humans

But that doesn't mean that everyone is right .

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One last question in the end?

Are Muslems better humans than Christians
Are Christians better humans than Muslems
Are Jewish better humans thanChristians or Muslems

No, not at all,

humans are equal all over the world
There is no human preferred or discriminated, we all are human

yes & that's what makes every mentally healthy adult responsible for his acts & choices in life .

And peace will be for him who followeth right guidance.