I came here expecting a certain topic . All I see are accusations and generalities containing many topics

What exactly are you asking about :
1. Ishmael in the bible
2. The quran and what is going on today in Iraq
3. What jesus said to follow

BTW if you want violent passages I can quote thousands of passages in the bible within their contexts and their interpritations


I could also bring you the bloody history of your religion starting from the roman empire to the crusades

In the name of Allah


are you sure ???
there is no relation between Ishmael and our prophet Muhammad puh ???
read this please !

Dictionary of the Bible
Philip Schaff




https://bluehost.levendwater.org/book...ible/index.htm




The Union Bible Dictionary
Frederick Adolphus Packard
page: 388





https://books.google.it/books?id=VTMX...0kedar&f=false


Basic Bible Dictionary
Michael Counsell
page : 63





https://books.google.it/books?id=Eczg...0kedar&f=false


The Popular Bible Prophecy Commentary
Understanding the Meaning
Tim F. LaHaye, Tim LaHaye, Edward E. Hindson

page : 166



https://books.google.fr/books?id=1A1A...ARABIA&f=false


Islam And Its Founder
J. W. H. Stobart
page :27










page 36







there is no relation between what is happening now in Iraq and the peaceful religion of Islam.
may be you think that our God is a babys and animals killer !
who live in glass houses .......you know the rest colleague .
peace.

OK I will choose to speak about Ishmael and prophet hood from his linage :

This topic was already discussed between me and pandora and I proved how sons of ishmael were actually promissed to have a prophet :

in the OT:

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Deuteronomy 18 :18

Bretheren here can refer to the ishmailites which are the cousins of the israelites , not the israelites . Bretheren from the context of the bible was used for non israelites :

And Moses sent messengers from Kadesh unto the king of Edom, Thus saith thy brother Israel, Thou knowest all the travail that hath befallen us

Numbers 20 : 14

The blessing of ishmael :

Genesis (17:20):” As for Ishmael, I am heeding you: I hereby bless him. I will make him fertile and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve chieftains, and I will make of him a great nation.”

A great nation as defined by the bible:

you give evidence of your wisdom and intelligence to the nations'This great nation is truly a wise and intelligent people.'
7 For what great nation is there that has gods so close to it as the LORD, our God, is to us whenever we call upon him?
8 Or what great nation has statutes and decrees that are as just as this whole law which I am setting before you today?”
Deutronomy 4: 6-8

So a great nation in the bible is one which worships god alone and has the law of god which applies to the arabs in the prophecy of genesis

This is affirmed by jesus when he tells the israelites:
Matthew (21:43) “Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to anation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


As for the prophecy regarding the burdon upon Arabia :

13The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling companies of Dedanim.14The inhabitants of the land of Tema brought water to him that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him that fled.15For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword, and from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war. 16For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail. 17And the residue of the number of archers, the mighty men of the children of Kedar, shall be diminished: for the LORD God of Israel hath spoken it.


Isaiah 21


This clearly describes a revelation in Arabia and the hijra of the prophet describing a war between the children of Kedar and then describes the inhabitants of Tema تيماء which is an area which contains Madina, Fadak , Khaibar, Alola . Kedar is one of the sons of Ishmael.

Also in the begining of Isaiah :

"And he saw a chariot [with] a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, [and] a chariot of camels .."

(Isaiah 21:7)

The chariot of asses refers to :

"And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,"

(John 12:14)

This is clearly described in the jewish book the secrets of Rabbi Shimon :

ince he saw the kingdom of Ishmael that was coming, he began to say: "Was it not enough what the wicked kingdom of Edom has done to us, but [we deserve] the kingdom of Ishmael too?" At once Metatron, the foremost angel (sar ha-penim), answered him and said: "Do not fear, son of man, for the Almighty only brings the kingdom of Ishmael in order to deliver you from this wicked one (Edom). He raises up over them (Ishmaelites) a prophet according to His will and He will conquer the land for them, and they will come and restore it to greatness, and a great dread will come between them and the sons of Esau." Rabbi Simon answered him and said: "How [is it known] that they are our salvation?" He (Metatron) said to him: "Did not the prophet Isaiah say that 'he saw a chariot with a pair of horsemen etc.'? Why did he put hte chariot of asses before the chariot of camels when he should rather have said 'a chariot of camels and [then] a chariot of asses,' because when he (Ishmael, i.e. the Arabs) goes forth [to war], he rides upon on a camel, and when the kingdom will arise by his hands he rides upon an ass? [Given that he said the reverse of this], the chariot of asses, since he (the Messiah) rides upon an ass, shows that they (the Ishmaelites, represented by the chariot of camels) are a salvation for Israel, like the salvation of the rider on an ass (i.e. the Messiah)."

Source : (Simon ben Yohai, Secrets, 78-79 [pp. 309-310])

This was known for the jews because when they asked Jesus they mentioned three figures :

John, chapter 1:”
19 And this is the testimony of John. When the Jews from Jerusalem sent priests and Levites (to him) to ask him, "

Who are you?"

20 he admitted and did not deny it, but admitted, "

I am not the Messiah

."
21 So they asked him, "

What are you then? Are you Elijah?" And he said, "I am not

." "

Are you THE PROPHET?" He answered, "No."

So the prophet , Elijah and the Messiah three distinct figures which they were awaiting one the prophet was from Ishmael

Note: I am focussing on the idea of prophethood from Ishmael's legacy

You are reading into what I say again. I didn't say your messenger Muhammad wasn't a descendant of Ishmael; I said no prophets come out of him because Ishmael was no prophet. Therefore no prophetic line comes out of Ishmael. I am convinced that he is in the line of Kedar as you support and mention, but Ishmael according to the Scripture that came before was rejected by God and Abraham as the child of promise; so, the whole world is caught up in the middle of a family feud between the seed of Isaac and Ishmael. That is what Iraq is all about. Both Jew and Arab battle that the promise is with them, but we Christians support Israel, because God chose them as His people and not Ishmael. God did bless him, but that is as far as it goes.

peace

It is interesting how you put that together, but Christians and Jews alike don't honor some of the sources you mentioned. We honor Deut. 18, but that verse was speaking about Jesus as mentioned in the gospel before you prophet was born. The phrase "from out of your brethren" was used in the Bible to mention Israelites as well. Deut. is not going to work for you, and the other sources aren't recognized, because of what Gen. 21:12 states regarding Ishmael
peace

All of the resources I have taken are from the bible !!!! and the jewish source is accepted by jews and an acclimation to what we say!!!

As for like me : the prophet was like Moses in many different aspects , second was addressing the jews but according to the KJV bible :

I will raise them up a Prophet from

among their brethren

, like unto thee

Their refers to the israelites

So Bretheren cannot refer to the israelites themselves , God simply could have chose to say from them not their bretheren . The context simply does not help your claim

Where is the answer to the other passages !!!!!???

Our discussion as I have noted was about prophethood from Ishmael

Why did you not address the rest of the passages ?????

Where is your answer according to what I said concerning Ishmael , the prophecy of Arabia, The jewish questioning of Jesus and what Jesus said in Matthew 21:43 and what Rabbi Shimon said ????


Did you choose to ignore or do you not have an answer !!!!

Reminder :

If the Jews accept the source, why aren't they embracing Islam. The Biblical sources are not saying that Ishmael was a prophet to me. You are very subjectively looking at this Scriptures. If it were as clear as you say, all Christians would be Muslims along with the Jews

The verse reads: Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. 44 And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.” You are thinking this refers to Islam and your prophet. No, The Jews rejected their Messiah so God opened the door for all peoples, races, cultures, languages and tongues the gentiles included. It is not speaking of Arabs only. We don't honor what Rabbi Shimon said even if the Jews do, but it is funny the Jews don't act like they honor it.

As I mentioned, Brethren can refer to the Israelites themselves, because God used the same phrase later on to be referring to someone from their own brethren of the Israelites. God could have said from them and not their brethren but that is not the way the written put it in the Bible. The context I mentionrd does work from a biblical stand point. As for your prophet being more like Moses, I beg to differ especially when it comes to miracles and signs from God such as both were saved from infanticide, both were Saviors, both were made deities except Jesus was really divine and Moses was told he would be like God to Aaron and Aaron would be his prophet; the sea obeyed them both, both were called out of Egypt; both heard from God directly, Moses turned water red and Jesus turned water to wine (red) and many, many other similarities that no other prophet could touch. I look at all the Scripture you shared and even after you explain them I don't see a connection, and for sure any objective viewer wouldn't come to the conclusions you have arrived to. You also say it is clearly referring to your prophet and Ishmael being a prophet and the child of promise just because God blessed him and made him strong with him against every man and every man against him like we see happening in the world today, but I don't see how this constitutes prophet hood for Ishmael or any of his descendants. You will have a tough job convincing Jew and Christians of this.

peace

First : Your argument that ishmael was not a prophet is that if he was the jews and christians would accept it !!!!!
This argument is twisted since the jews can also use it concerning Jesus. My friend this argument will not help you at all.
So this does not explain the blessinggs in Genesis :

Genesis (17:20):” As for Ishmael, I am heeding you: I hereby bless him. I will make him fertile and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve chieftains, and I will make of him a great nation.”

A great nation as defined by the bible:

you give evidence of your wisdom and intelligence to the nations'This great nation is truly a wise and intelligent people.'
7 For what great nation is there that has gods so close to it as the LORD, our God, is to us whenever we call upon him?
8 Or what great nation has statutes and decrees that are as just as this whole law which I am setting before you today?”
Deutronomy 4: 6-8

Second :

Matthew 21: 43 Cannot be talking about the gentiles because Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel :

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15: 24


The passage here is clear Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel so the context of Matthew 21: 43 cannot be talking about the gentiles


Third : what you said here :

As I mentioned, Brethren can refer to the Israelites themselves, because God used the same phrase later on to be referring to someone from their own brethren of the Israelites. God could have said from them and not their brethren but that is not the way the written put it in the Bible

How could god say them bretheren !!!! it would not make anysense rather he said their (the israelites ) bretheren , and you are right this is what the biblical writers wrote so asking why did they not put them should be addressed to them. The context is clear god talks to the israelites that from their brothers reffering to the brothers of all israelites since the text used their so it cannot mean the israelites

The simmilarities between prophet Muhammed and Moses:

1. Both came with laws
2. Both of normal birthnot virgin
3. Both led migrations and physical salvations
4.Both ruled their nations
5. Both engaged in military actions
6. Both were raised away from their parents
7.Both married and had children
8.Both immigrated in adulthood
9.Both had a a spiritual and legal teachings instead of spiritual only
10. Both had normal deaths while Jesus according to Christian was killied
11. Both of their revelations were written down during their lifetimes

As for your claim of turning water to wine , well that is debatable but wine is not blood , Moses split the sea but Jesus did not , if you are going to claim that they both had miracles concerning water in general well I could also put this :

Anas b. Malik reported:

I saw Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) during the time of the afternoon prayer and the people asking for water for performing ablution which they did not find. (A small quantity) of water was brought to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he placed his hand in that vessel and commanded people to perform ablution. I saw water spouting from his fingers and the people performing ablution until the last amongst them performed it.

Saheeh Muslim Book 30, Hadith 5657

Anas reported that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) called for water and he was given a vessel and the people began to perform ablution in that and I counted (the persons) and they were between fifty and eighty and I saw water which was spouting from his fingers.

Saheeh Muslim Book 30, Hadith 5656

I do not think generalities here will help you , we are looking at specific simmilarities of their lives. Generalities in such a way do not just show simmilarities between the three figures : Moses, Jesus and Mohammed peace be upon them rather with all other people. It is like comparing Noa to Moses because they both had something supernatural with water!!!!! You need specifics

Where in the new testement did Jesus speak to god directly like the way Moses did in Mount Sania . This was not shown in the NT

All what christians are doing is taking certain passages in the NT and apply it as direct contact with god , like the passages when a certain voice was heard from the cloud!!!! these passages show no dialougue or contact as god did with Moses because all the deciples heard it , there was no dialogue or a confrontation with god as Moses did with the burning bush !!! (review Matthew 17)

However this itself should not be considered a simmilarity since a jew can argue that Adam has direct contact with God in the garden, or Jacob wresseled with god (according to christian belief) and talked to him , Ezikiel with the chariot of God (according to jewish and christian belief)!!!

However it is important to note that not all revelations revealed to the prophet was by the angel Gabriel peace be upon him rather revelations sometimes were revealed to the prophet directly from god :

Narrated 'Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed to you?" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) replied, "Sometimes it is (revealed) like the ringing of a bell, this form of Inspiration is the hardest of all and then this state passes off after I have grasped what is inspired. Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says." 'Aisha added: Verily I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) being inspired divinely on a very cold day and noticed the sweat dropping from his forehead (as the Inspiration was over).

Saheeh Al Bukhari vol 1, Book 1 , hadeeth 2



Another similarity ( from a christian view)
12.Both were human and not divine (according to christians jesus was divine)

There is a lot but I think this would be enough

As for the prophethood of a decendent of ishmael I already answered above


The blessing of ishmael :

Genesis (17:20):” As for Ishmael, I am heeding you: I hereby bless him. I will make him fertile and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve chieftains, and I will make of him a great nation.”

A great nation as defined by the bible:

you give evidence of your wisdom and intelligence to the nations'This great nation is truly a wise and intelligent people.'
7 For what great nation is there that has gods so close to it as the LORD, our God, is to us whenever we call upon him?
8 Or what great nation has statutes and decrees that are as just as this whole law which I am setting before you today?”
Deutronomy 4: 6-8

So a great nation in the bible is one which worships god alone and has the law of god which applies to the arabs in the prophecy of genesis

This is the second time you ignore this part
You also ignored the part about Isaiah
You also ignored what has written in John 1: 19-21

Note: Also for the second time I am not talking about the prophet hood of ishmael rather the prophet from his decendent , mainly : can Ishmael's decendents have a prophet ???

You said, "I didn't address John 1: 19-21" but look at the rest of the verse in context:
19 And this is the (AO)testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you (AS)the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22 So they said to him, “Who are you? We need to give an answer to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?” 23 He said, “I am (AT)the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make straight[g] the way of the Lord,’ as the prophet Isaiah said.”

24 (Now they had been sent from the Pharisees.) 25 They asked him, (AU)“Then why are you baptizing, if you are neither the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?” 26 John answered them, (AV)“I baptize with water, but among you stands one you do not know, 27 even he who comes after me, the strap of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie.” 28 These things took place in Bethany across the Jordan, where John was baptizing.

Behold, the Lamb of God

29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is he of whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me.’ 31 I myself did not know him, but for this purpose I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.” 32 And John bore witness: “I saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove, and it remained on him. 33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.” Not all Jews deny Jesus was a prophet and he did come for the house of Israel but they rejected him and Jesus gave parables that demonstrate that God has opened the door for all to receive Him as the gift of God.
BTW, can I ask how long have you been Muslim? Were you born into it? I have never confronted a Muslim as tenacious as you. I do respect your zeal. What about Isaiah? I didn't see the verse you speak of

Peace

About me being tenacious well if by tenacious you mean presenting your ideas by supplying evidence for it then yes
If by tenacious you mean holding on into a dying idea then my friend you hold the flag for that


24 (Now they had been sent from the Pharisees.) 25 They asked him, (AU)“Then why are you baptizing, if you are neither the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?” 26

The prophet not a prophet so the context actually serves what I am saying

No you are wrong the jews did not believe in Jesus although they knew he was a true prophet and the messiah as all enemies of the prophet , do not try to falsly present the facts. Yes THERE WERE JEWS WHO BELIEVED IN JESUS but they were not much.

No answer concerning the blessings of Ishmael in Genesis
No answer concerning Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel
No response concerning the DEut 18 and the simmilarities between Moses and the prophet

Try to give the person you are debating the respect to address his responses instead of your usual ignore and cut response , because this just shows the reader that you do not have an answer , you are making christians look bad .

Note: My answers in this blogg is usually long because I always quote references and passages

The passage of Isaiah is in response number 4

I will tell you my personal information as long as you tell me the same

superb !

can you deny the fact that arab muslims - through Ishmael their ancestor - are blessed by YHWH ???

Genesis 17

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

i do not think so !
This is what your holy scriptures say :

Genesis 22

2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Isaac was realy the only son of Abraham ???
its a big falsification & lie !

Muhammad is a real prophet .
here is the truth from the samaritan highest priest 's mouth !




peace to you .

I cannot deny that Ishmael was blessed by God to be a mighty and strong nation, but when God told Abraham take your "only son Isaac..." I don't see that as a lie, because after Ishmael was sent away by Abraham, Isaac was his only son of promise. Ishmael was blessed but Isaac was the child of promise meaning all prophets come out of his line and not Ishmael.
I will tell you my personal information. I was born into Catholicism, but I left seeing how far removed they were from the Scriptures. I broke the hearts of my parents at the time. I am married to a Christian I meet in another country who like me forsook all she had to follow Christ as stated in Luke 14: 33. Your turn.
Peace

Thank you for being honest here.
I was born a muslim , sunni sect , I stayed that way. Four years ago I started reading about christianity and judaism , I started having questions about other religions , what I saw from the bible , its history of gathering , its variations , discrepencies, christianities idea of monotheism and the early effect of Paul on the scriptues and his true identity and relationship with the deciples away from what christians claim, and how constantine changed christianity.
These were only a few examples of why I rejected christianity and judaism

Of course then I started researching about Suffis , shias, and abadiyyas , Most of them contradicted the context of the Quran . This process reaffimed my faith and helped me to start debating others (whether other sects of Islam or other religions) in different Bloggs

As for what you said about ishmael , that still does mean that prophets cannot appear from his lineage .

MORE IMPORTANTLY, Ishmael was older than Isaac yet the text says your only son!!!!!

This is a contradiction !!! which affirms that it was Ishmael but the Jews when writting corrupted the text !!!

Brother اسلامي عزي already stated this and I already discussed this in an earlier discussion

How could Isaac be the only son when Ishmael is older and was still alive during that time !!???


You did not answer what I said about simmilarities between Moses and Mohammed peace be upon them, no answe also on their bretheren in deut 18
no answer regarding John's questioning
no answer regarding the passage in Isaiah

if I may could I just address this point, even though I feel this has been discussed an answered sufficiently there still seems some confusion. This has nothing to do with which son is the son of promise as decided by men... God has made this decision, the Bible clearly records it. It is not a contradiction, the Bible States Ishmael was the first born son... However he was NOT the first born of Abraham and Sarah, the first born son of Abraham and Sarah was Isaac... And it is this son that God decrees His covenant will be carried by. Isaac is the child of promise. There is no contradiction and no corruption of any texts on this matter. Firstly...

Abraham


First know by the name Abram, at the age of 75, he received his calling from God. God later changes his name to Abraham as God also changed the name of Abrahams wife Sarai to Sarah.


"Now The Lord said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse; and by you all the families of the earth shall bless themselves." (Genesis 12:1-3 RSV)


An important point about Abraham is that although all bloodline Jews of today are descended from him, Abraham himself was not a Jew. Abraham's son Isaac, had a son Jacob (who was renamed Israel), who had 12 sons (from whom came The Tribes Of Israel), one of which was Judah, from whom came the Jews. The first "Jew" was Judah, Abraham's great-grandson. Both Jews and Arabs are equally descended from Abraham, but Abraham himself was neither "Jew" nor "Arab".


Isaac


Isaac was the ONLY son of Abraham and Sarah, and the father of Esau and Jacob, who God renamed Israel. The patriarchs are often named together in both the Old Testament and New Testament.... when speaking to Moses, God said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." (Exodus 3:6 RSV).


Isaac's birth came about from a miracle - Abraham was 100 years old when Isaac was born, and Sarah, at age 90, had been unable to have children... God decreed..


"Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac. I will establish My covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him and make him fruitful and multiply him exceedingly; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation." (Genesis 17:19-20 RSV).


Fourteen years before, when Abraham was 86, Sarah (then called Sarai) had arranged for a child to be born to Abraham through her own Egyptian maidservant, Hagar. Ishmael was born from the arrangement. The promise did not however go through Ishmael because the covenant had already been made with Abraham, with a yet-unborn Isaac the designated heir, before Ishmael was conceived or born. While God does not play favourites, He was also not bound to any other arrangements for children that Abraham and Sarah had taken upon themselves to bring about after the matter had been firmly decided by God.

Ishmael


Ishmael, meaning God hears, as we know was the son of Abraham and Hagar, the Egyptian maid of his wife Sarah. Through Sarah's lack of faith and her doubt of being able to bear a son in her advanced years she took it upon herself to ensure Abraham had a son by Hagar acting as a surrogate mother, even though God had specifically stated that a child (Isaac) would be born to Sarah in due time.


Ishmael was born when Abraham was 86, 11 years after Abraham's arrival in what would become the land of Israel. He grew up to be a man of the desert wilderness, with a wild and hostile attitude toward people, exactly as God described him to his mother before he was born....


"Behold, you are with child, and shall bear a son; you shall call his name Ishmael; because The Lord has given heed to your affliction. He shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against every man and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen." (Genesis 16:11-12 RSV).


Sarah, who had come to dislike both Hagar and Ishmael, said to Abraham "Cast out this slave woman with her son; for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac." (Genesis 21:10 RSV)


Abraham opposed Sarah's demand - despite Ishmael's difficult personality, Abraham loved him and did not want to see him go. God however settled the matter:


"But God said to Abraham, "Be not displeased because of the lad and because of your slave woman; whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for through Isaac shall your descendants be named. And I will make a nation of the son of the slave woman also, because he is your offspring." (Genesis 21:12-13 RSV)

God did bless Ishmael and promised he would be a father of great nations.. However, that does not mean that any prophets were to come from his line. You are reading that into the text on the basis that Isaac was not an only son, thus ignoring Gods decree.. And wishful thinking that the blessing upon Ishmael is more than it was. When even the Quran does not name the child as Ishmael.

Peace unto you.