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  • #16
    Dear Heart.. I don't think you are being quite fair here.. If you don't accept that in some Islamic countries women get a poor deal.. Then really you must be living on another planet or going around with a blindfold!! Emphasis on the SOME... I would never say the "west" is any kind of utopia either. Because my dear... The world, every corner of it you will find populated with mankind and all mankind WITHOUT exception are made up of good and bad people. Following any religion or having faith in God does not change that fact. So before you accuse me of double standards look to your own standards.

    Justice is to accuse others of what is permissible in your faith

    Do not try to wriggle out of the axis of dialogue

    If you see that some people are evil, why launched judgment on all Muslims??


    This is a ridiculous statement you make!!! Please show me where the church harassment takes place.. Against whom... And by whom? You surely know that worship of God is not confined to any building... Like a church or whatever.. So I really don't see the point you are making here.
    You may be trying to laugh at yourself in this answer

    Leave judgment to the reader Christian, who knows the standards of morality and the sanctity of places of worship


    Who accuses Islam of such things??? I don't believe personally I ever have said anything of the sort against your faith.. Which I have to say you have constantly insulted mine. I am not interested in tearing down your faith in Islam as you are so determined to tear down mine. I only ever wished to dispel the many misconceptions you hold about Christianity and Christians. Please show me where in the Bible it says it is ok to abuse children or engage in immoral acts with the same sex? You are measuring the religion by the lowest common denominator.. By the actions of the minority who behave so sinfully. If you feel all Christians condone such behaviour then shame on you for such cruel thoughts. Put your hand on your heart and tell me that there are not muslims found within Islam that fail to live up to the standards set by your religion.. Then you may have room to talk. Otherwise cease tarring everyone with the same brush.

    Must be honest with yourself, this subject does not talk about Christianity

    Is the subject of a purely Islamic

    Also, you're with us for a long time has not given us any idea of ​​positive reaction from Christianity

    You just do not want to talk about Christianity, on the other hand, do not manipulate Islam

    You should be aware that interfaith dialogue is our specialty,




    That's what I said




    Some of the worst rapes I have heard of are in "Islamic" countries. Is the threat of the rapist being killed if caught a deterrent? No.. Because they don't expect to get caught.




    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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    • #17
      المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة pandora مشاهدة المشاركة
      Dear Heart, explain yourself please.. How are all Christians distorting the Christian faith? Do you mean because we do not follow your idea of what Christianity is we have somehow distorted it? What do you think we have distorted? As a biblical Christian I have tried to explain to you and others what misconceptions you have been fed in regards to Christianity.. You are not interested and prefer your twisted idea which is far from reality. I'm not trying to force you to accept Jesus in any way...tho I believe it would be better for you if you did.. I just wish you knew Jesus.. Not Isa.. Jesus.. Because if you did you would understand why I follow Him and choose Him as my saviour.

      peace to you.
      Do you see Christians you follow the message of Christ??

      تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
      اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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      • #18
        المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة pandora مشاهدة المشاركة
        Dear Heart.. I don't think you are being quite fair here.. If you don't accept that in some Islamic countries women get a poor deal.. Then really you must be living on another planet or going around with a blindfold!! Emphasis on the SOME... I would never say the "west" is any kind of utopia either. Because my dear... The world, every corner of it you will find populated with mankind and all mankind WITHOUT exception are made up of good and bad people. Following any religion or having faith in God does not change that fact. So before you accuse me of double standards look to your own standards.



        This is a ridiculous statement you make!!! Please show me where the church harassment takes place.. Against whom... And by whom? You surely know that worship of God is not confined to any building... Like a church or whatever.. So I really don't see the point you are making here.



        Who accuses Islam of such things??? I don't believe personally I ever have said anything of the sort against your faith.. Which I have to say you have constantly insulted mine. I am not interested in tearing down your faith in Islam as you are so determined to tear down mine. I only ever wished to dispel the many misconceptions you hold about Christianity and Christians. Please show me where in the Bible it says it is ok to abuse children or engage in immoral acts with the same sex? You are measuring the religion by the lowest common denominator.. By the actions of the minority who behave so sinfully. If you feel all Christians condone such behaviour then shame on you for such cruel thoughts. Put your hand on your heart and tell me that there are not muslims found within Islam that fail to live up to the standards set by your religion.. Then you may have room to talk. Otherwise cease tarring everyone with the same brush.




        Maybe no one has taken the time to explain how the forum works to Burninglight. You cannot castigate a person for something they were not made aware of. What do you take as an absurd post? Anything I guess you don't agree with.???

        Peace.
        Wow, that was a powerful post. I have absolutely nothing to add to it! Pandora, I hope your realize that this truth you spoke will certainly not gain you any points on this forum. Moreover, what Dear Heart doesn't seem to realize is that she has on this forum two Biblical Christians. She has an opportunity to learn what true Biblical Christianity is about and not the misconceptions that have been handed down to Muslims for centuries. Finally, I am not interested in tearing down Islam, but speak the truth as I see it in the love of Christ. Muslims are free to correct any misconceptions I have about Islam instead of getting on the offensive with the only Christians on the forum.

        May God bless and strengthen you!




















        speak about what Muslims truly believe or speak of what I see about Islam. I too want to dispel the misconceptions Muslims have about Christianity.

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        • #19
          المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة Burninglight مشاهدة المشاركة
          Wow, that was a powerful post. I have absolutely nothing to add to it! Pandora, I hope your realize that this truth you spoke will certainly not gain you any points on this forum. Moreover, what Dear Heart doesn't seem to realize is that she has on this forum two Biblical Christians. She has an opportunity to learn what true Biblical Christianity is about and not the misconceptions that have been handed down to Muslims for centuries. Finally, I am not interested in tearing down Islam, but speak the truth as I see it in the love of Christ. Muslims are free to correct any misconceptions I have about Islam instead of getting on the offensive with the only Christians on the forum.

          May God bless and strengthen you!




















          speak about what Muslims truly believe or speak of what I see about Islam. I too want to dispel the misconceptions Muslims have about Christianity.

          I hope that you believe you, but all your posts in the Forum are absurd

          You've introduced a lot of suspicions about Islam, and continuously refined

          Moreover you are mocking the stories of new Muslims (your posts and posts Pandora ismalevolent Deleted)

          Tip:

          Should look in the dictionary for the meaning of interfaith dialogue

          When you enter the homes of others, they do not impose your terms

          Do not think I did not know the truth of Christianity, it's your turn to just patch me

          We want dialogue based on the basis of logical mentality

          We do not want a teacher in Christianity

          By the way / There's a lot of Christians from Arab origin here, thankfully, many of themconverted to Islam

          تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
          اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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          • #20
            المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة شمائل مشاهدة المشاركة
            Justice is to accuse others of what is permissible in your faith

            Do not try to wriggle out of the axis of dialogue

            If you see that some people are evil, why launched judgment on all Muslims??
            I have not accused muslims of anything... What you feel is permissible in our faith as Christians is very often from the Old Testament.. Which we see was perfected and fulfilled in the New Testament. Christians follow the Gospel of Jesus which is the New Testament. Some of the old laws that you use to apply to us no longer apply to Christians under the new covenant. However.. You are not interested in learning anything a true biblical Christian has to say on the matter.

            I have never ever launched any kind of judgement against all muslims.. And if I thought it would get me anywhere I would make a strenuous complaint about you implying I have. Unlike yourself who see nothing wrong in lumping all people in the same mire.. Good or bad Christians must be the same according to you. I can see with my own eyes that most muslims are good, kind hearted and decent people who have a love of God and seek to do His will as they believe it to be revealed to them. Those are admirable qualities. I see these same qualities in Christians and Jews and other people of faith.. I also see people from all walks of life who get it wrong and do not represent their faith truly..

            Must be honest with yourself, this subject does not talk about Christianity

            Is the subject of a purely Islamic

            Also, you're with us for a long time has not given us any idea of positive reaction from Christianity

            You just do not want to talk about Christianity, on the other hand, do not manipulate Islam

            You should be aware that interfaith dialogue is our specialty,
            Dearest heart.. It's true I have been here a long time... Yet still not trusted enough to enjoy the same privileges as other members.. ;) I really do not know what else I can do to make it clearer. I am sorry you feel I have not ever given you any positive thoughts or feelings on Christianity and what it is to be a Christian. That I have failed in that makes me sad.. Because I have failed The Lord Jesus and God in the work and path I have been set upon. I have always replied to the best of my ability and in honesty where I see muslims have misinterpreted and misunderstood Bible scripture. I see this as important because understanding is key.. By all means reject the message, as is your right.. But first you should know what it is you reject and the consequences to yourself in that rejection.

            I have read many more posts on here than I have taken the time to reply to and in all honesty I have found nothing in regards to my spiritual salvation in Islam than betters what I already have in Christianity. Maybe interfaith dialogue is not such a speciality as you believe it to be. The idea surely has to be a two way thing.. I don't get that from you... You are always on the defensive which makes it difficult. It comes across that the main objective is converting a person to Islam.. Not for the persons sake but to grow your religion of Islam.. I may be wrong on this and if so, accept my apology.. I do hope I am wrong in that assumption... Because to seek to convert by whatever means without love or care is a pretty shameful enterprise.. Whatever the religion.

            Anyway.. No matter. I still love you as my sister in humanity and I know if we met I would embrace you in friendship although you may not return in kind. That changes nothing.

            May God bless and keep you.


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            • #21
              المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة شمائل مشاهدة المشاركة
              Do you see Christians you follow the message of Christ??
              Yes... True Christians do follow the message of Christ. Burning light once said that he saw himself as a non-denominational Christian. I never really thought about it before. I saw myself as a Protestant Anglican as that is the church I attend.. But if I am to be honest the teachings of Jesus transcends all denominations.. So to be true to Christ I think one has to be non-denominational.. Or a biblical Christian.. Which is to follow Christ... Not mans interpretation of Christ.

              Peace.

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              • #22
                By the way / There's a lot of Christians from Arab origin here, thankfully, many of themconverted to Islam
                why would you say such a strange thing? Are you on some kind of commission or points system for converting non muslims to Islam? Is that the true aim of the forum??

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                • #23
                  We call our message to Islam, but do not force others to convert to Islam by force

                  We always invite Christian dialogue is far from logical mental emotion

                  I maintain my prestige of the message of God and sincerity, when accused of anythingwrong and brutal Old Testament

                  Do you think I should be the holiest Muslim greatness of God Almighty, I will believe that those provisions and those of morality in the Old Testament of God?

                  Almighty God, merciful God, dear God,

                  We defend the truth of Christianity, we follow Christ, peace be upon him and all the prophets

                  You are for us to follow Paul liar


                  You tried a lot through the Forum questioning Islam, and this is natural to you a non-Muslim, we welcome any question or accusation against Islam

                  Islam is a universal message is not limited to Muslims only, then it is our duty spread among people


                  So do not think that we will prevent from speaking against Islam, but at the time of self betrue

                  Do not attack for attack

                  You have to pray to God to help you in dialogue with us, tell God: that you are on the rightfixed me
                  And that you are on the wrong guided me to the truth

                  تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                  اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                  • #24
                    Dear Heart, I do not understand much of your above post..

                    I maintain my prestige of the message of God and sincerity, when accused of anythingwrong and brutal Old Testament
                    Are you saying here you see similarities between the "brutality" of the Old Testament and the Quran? And we should not judge you based on this.. Like if it's in the Old Testament it's ok if the same is found in the Quran? Sorry.. But I am trying to see what you mean by this statement. I would like to point out that a fairer comparison should be between the New Testament.. Seeing as it is a fulfilment of the Old. I do see much similarity between the Quran and old testament but very little in the New Testament. ..which I find rather odd.

                    We defend the truth of Christianity, we follow Christ, peace be upon him and all the prophets
                    you can't say this ... Because you do not know the truth of Christianity. Your information on Christianity comes from mainly Islamic sources.. Islam does not recognise Jesus of the Bible and does not see the message the Bible prophets brought. You cannot claim to defend adequately something that you do not understand. You have two biblical Christians wanting to share the message with you.. But you are to afraid to hear it.

                    You are for us to follow Paul liar
                    Again you are arguing your point from a biased perspective.. You believe this of Paul because this is what you have been told. Jesus never thought of Paul as a liar... Do you think Jesus would have chosen a liar to spread Gods word to the Gentiles? When you say such things as calling Paul a liar with no proof it serves to show the chasm of your knowledge.

                    Islam is a universal message is not limited to Muslims only, then it is our duty spread among people
                    Same as Christianity... Which God by His spirit and grace has given me the where with all to spread its message. If I did not believe it with every fibre and cell of my being then I would not be talking about it. As Islam is diametrically opposed to the Gospels... Then how can I accept it without question? I do not need to attack its message and if my questions come across in that vein that I am at error because it is not my intention. There is nothing to be gained by attack for the sake of controversy.. Funny after all this time we have talked you still do not understand me at all.. :)

                    You have to pray to God to help you in dialogue with us, tell God: that you are on the rightfixed me
                    And that you are on the wrong guided me to the truth
                    I think you mean ask God not tell God. I would not tell God anything. Actually I often pray for divine guidance.. At times when I have been the subject of rudeness and insults.. I pray for strength.. At times when a question has put me at a loss to know the best response to make a clear answer.. I pray for guidance. I receive both strength and guidance which makes me the surer that it's Gods will I share what I share with this forum. Maybe you should ask God for guidance yourself.. Pray to the God of the prophets and Jesus but before you do empty your heart and mind of all else.. Pray for clarity of Gods will in regards to you.. God may choose another path or He will leave you where you are. We are all nothing but His humble servants and do His will.

                    Peace.

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                    • #25
                      Are you saying here you see similarities between the "brutality" of the Old Testament and the Quran?

                      there 's no brutality in the holy Qur'an !

                      there's no comparison between Allah's mercy and YHWH 's atrocities !







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                      منّ علينا وهدانا ، و أعطانا و آوانا ،
                      وكلّ بلاء حسن أبلانا ،
                      الحمدُ لله حمداً حمداً ،
                      الحمدُ لله حمداً يعدلُ حمدَ الملائكة المُسبّحين ، و الأنبياء و المُرسلين ،
                      الحمدُ لله حمدًا كثيراً طيّبا مُطيّبا مُباركاً فيه ، كما يُحبّ ربّنا و يرضى ،
                      اللهمّ لكَ الحمدُ في أرضك ، ولك الحمدُ فوق سماواتك ،
                      لكَ الحمدُ حتّى ترضى ، ولكَ الحمدُ إذا رضيتَ ، ولكَ الحمدُ بعد الرضى ،
                      اللهمّ لك الحمدُ حمداً كثيراً يملأ السماوات العلى ، يملأ الأرض و مابينهما ،
                      تباركتَ ربّنا وتعالَيتَ .


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