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A Comparison of Prophethood in the Qur’an and Bible.

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    A Comparison of Prophethood in the Qur’an and Bible.




    A Comparison of Prophethood in the Qur’an and Bible.


    3Prophethood is a concept that is common to all three Abrahamic faiths with the Prophets playing a crucial role in God’s plan for mankind. A significant chunk of both the Qur’an and Bible is dedicated to the Prophets so their stories warrant special attention. This article will discuss the nature of Prophethood and
    contrast its portrayal in the Qur’an and Bible.


    NATURE OF PROPHETHOOD

    Throughout the Qur’an Prophethood is described in extremely noble terms:
    …Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. [Chapter, 2, verse 213]

    And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger – those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favour of the prophets, the steadfast affirmers of truth, the martyrs and the righteous. And excellent are those as companions. [Chapter 4, verse 69]

    Likewise the Bible also describes Prophethood in highly noble terms:

    “…Have faith in the Lord your God and you will be upheld; have faith in his prophets and you will be successful.” [2 Chronicles 20:20]

    “Although the Lord sent prophets to the people to bring them back to him, and though they testified against them, they would not listen.” [2 Chronicles 24:19]

    PURPOSE OF SENDING PROPHETS

    Out of His love and mercy for mankind God did not leave us without guidance. In order to bring us closer to Him, God selected certain human beings to act as Prophets. From the above passages we can conclude that both the Qur’an and Bible define Prophets as those who were sent as teachers and guides in order to bring mankind closer to God.

    As we have seen, both the Qur’an and Bible paint a very noble and honourable picture for the concept of Prophethood. So we should expect God’s Prophets to embody these ideals by being the best people in character, with their behaviour and lives representing a practical example for us to follow in order to come closer to God. This makes perfect sense in order to fulfil the goals and objectives of Prophethood as it is defined in both Scriptures
    .    COMPARISON BETWEEN THE QUR’AN AND BIBLE

    There is a lot of overlap between both Scriptures when it comes to the stories of the Prophets, with many events and themes being shared. Unfortunately when it comes to the character of the Prophets, the Scriptures are radically different. We will now look at some examples of specific Prophets in both the Qur’an and Bible and compare them:Prophet Aaron and idolatry

    The Bible says:
    So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, “These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.” [Exodus 32:3-4]
    The Qur’an says:
    And Aaron had already told them before [the return of Moses], “O my people, you are only being tested by it, and indeed, your Lord is the Most Merciful, so follow me and obey my order.” They said, “We will never cease being devoted to the calf until Moses returns to us.” [Chapter 20, verses 90-91]
    The Bible tarnishes Aaron with involvement in the worst of sins, idolatry. This is a violation of the First Commandment, “You shall have no other gods before me”, the very Law that God tasked Moses and Aaron to impart on the Israelites. Contrast this with the Qur’an, which outright rejects these claims by stating that Aaron is innocent of such slander.Prophet David and adultery and murder

    The Bible says:
    One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, “Isn’t this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?” Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home. The woman conceived and sent word to David, saying, “I am pregnant.”… In the morning David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it with Uriah. In it he wrote, “Put Uriah in the front line where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die.”… When Uriah’s wife heard that her husband was dead, she mourned for him. [2 Samuel 11:2-26]
    The Qur’an says:
    And We had certainly given to David and Solomon knowledge, and they said, “Praise [is due] to Allah, who has favored us over many of His believing servants.” [Chapter 27, verse 15]And We strengthened his kingdom and gave him wisdom and discernment in speech. [Chapter 38, verse 20]
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    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين
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    The Bible tarnishes David with involvement in the major sins of adultery and murder. This is a violation of at least three Commandments, “Thou shalt not kill”, “Thou shalt not commit adultery” and “Thou shall not covet your neighbor’s wife”. Contrast this with the Qur’an, where David is portrayed as a being endowed by God with wisdom and being grateful to God for all that he was given. It is therefore inconceivable that one whom God had personally endowed with wisdom and given the responsibility of ruling a kingdom could be so selfish and enslaved to their lowly desires.


    An even bigger issue emerges if we consider that the very law that David was supposed to uphold carries the death penalty for adultery:
    If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. [Deuteronomy 22:22]
    So, why weren’tt David and the wife of Uriah put to death for their sin? The chapter later goes on to tell us that instead of them being put to death, God killed their illegitimate child, a child that was completely innocent!
    Prophet Noah and drunkenness
    The Bible says:
    Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father’s nakedness and told his two brothers outside… [Genesis 9:20-22]
    The Qur’an says:
    Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of ‘Imran over the worlds [Chapter 3, verse 33]
    O descendants of those We carried [in the ship] with Noah. Indeed, he was a grateful servant. [Chapter 17, verse 3]
    After the great flood, the Bible tells us that the first thing Noah did was to get shamelessly drunk. We are led to believe that this is the same person that had the self discipline to build an ark as well as the patience to preach to his people and tolerate their rebellion for hundreds of years.
    Prophet Job and his many blasphemies
    The Bible says:
    I will say to God: Do not condemn me, but tell me what charges you have against me. Does it please you to oppress me, to spurn the work of your hands, while you smile on the schemes of the wicked? [Job 10:2-3]
    then know that God has wronged me and drawn his net around me. “Though I cry, ‘I’ve been wronged!’ I get no response; though I call for help, there is no justice. [Job 19:6-7]
    For he [Job] says, ‘It profits a man nothing when he tries to please God.’ [Job 34:9]
    Qur’an says:
    And remember Our servant Job, when he called to his Lord, “Indeed, Satan has touched me with hardship and torment.” [So he was told], “Strike [the ground] with your foot; this is a [spring for] a cool bath and drink.” And We granted him his family and a like [number] with them as mercy from Us and a reminder for those of understanding. [We said], “And take in your hand a bunch [of grass] and strike with it and do not break your oath.” Indeed, We found him patient, an excellent servant. Indeed, he was one repeatedly turning back [to Allah]. [Chapter 38, verses 41-44]
    Look at the virtuous character of Job in the Qur’an, he never once blames or criticises God for his difficulties. We learn a great lesson from his story, that no matter what trials we face or affliction we are tested with, we should always remain patient, for in the end the righteous are rewarded. When we look at the Biblical account, what morals can be derived from a story that is filled with blasphemies against God?


    WHY THE BIBLE REPRESENTS A PROBLEM


    There are numerous reasons why the negative picture of the Prophets painted by the Bible is problematic:


    First and foremost, it goes against the very nature and purpose of Prophethood as stated in the Bible itself. Not even the essence of revelation, monotheism, is respected by the Prophets. So God comes across as a poor planner rather than the infinitely wise being that we know Him to be.
    As human beings we learn by example and naturally aspire after role models, so in order to encourage piety the examples set before us should be positive. Anyone with children will recognise this. So this makes a mockery of God’s wisdom, since His intention is to bring us closer to Him but the bad examples of His Prophets achieve the opposite of what God intended.


    Phenomenon of “junk in, junk out”: if you are saturated with negative imagery and ideas, over time you will become desensitised and be more likely to fall into sin yourself. Again, this defeats the purpose of guidance in the first place, as it leads a person closer to sin and further away from God.
    Please note that this does not mean that Prophets are supposed to be infallible. Only God Almighty is perfect and free of error. A distinction has to be made, though, between making honest mistakes, which all human beings fall into, Prophets included, and the committing of major sins as portrayed in the Bible.


    CONCLUSION
    Both the Qur’an and Bible paint a very noble and honourable concept of Prophethood. However it’s only the Qur’an that presents the Prophets in such a way that satisfies this ideal. In contrast the Bible shows the Prophets in an extremely negative light. No sin is too great for them to commit, nor is any vice beyond their lowly desires.
    One of the reasons that Allah revealed the Qur’an is to defend His righteous Prophets against the slander and falsehood attributed to them in the Bible. This is why one of the names of the Qur’an is Al Furqan, meaning “the Criterion between truth and falsehood”. So the Qur’an not only confirms the scriptures that came before it, but also corrects the fabrications that have polluted them:
    “And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth…” [Chapter 5, verse 48]
    It is clear that the Qur’an provides the best guidance for those who want good examples to follow in order to be successful in the hereafter.

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    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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      You see the view of Prophets in Islam as being all truly pious, almost faultless and even possibly sinless as somehow a good thing. I see the opposite, and putting Prophets upon pedestals and holding them up as sinless examples sells you short. I believe seeing prophets this way is unrealistic and leads to a misunderstanding of the nature of sin and the effect of sin upon God. If we see ordinary men and women..as sinless... Then what need have we for God in our life? Where does that leave your faith? If these men can be sinless then why not you.. By your own efforts? Dangerous idea that!!!

      ( BTW.. Do you recognise any female Prophets in the Quran? No?? Why not.. Seeing as women are valued greater in the Quran than the Bible...)

      Peace.

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        ( BTW.. Do you recognise any female Prophets in the Quran? No?? Why not.. Seeing as women are valued greater in the Quran than the Bible...)
        All the apostles Men

        All the apostles are infallible

        Not all men, but infallible apostles

        God created human beings and gave each one of his job

        Can you ask why a man does not beget children

        تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
        اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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          All the apostles Men

          All the apostles are infallible

          Not all men, but infallible apostles

          God created human beings and gave each one of his job

          Can you ask why a man does not beget children
          The Bible names at least 10 women prophetesses there were also other women who received messages from God that were considered seers.. God does not distinguish between men and women when it comes to receiving His message.

          Why do you think Allah did not include at least one of the biblical prophetesses in the Quran? Seeing as you say Allah gave more rights to women in the Quran than they had in the Bible.

          As you know, we do not see Prophets or apostles in the Bible as infallible... And there is reason for that.

          God decreed roles for both men and women that were suited to their natures..so as to compliment each other and work together in unity to Gods will. God chooses those to relay His message to mankind according to whom He sees as most suitable.. YHWH values man and woman as equals in regards to this task.. Hence women Prophetesses.

          Peace

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            You see the view of Prophets in Islam as being all truly pious, almost faultless and even possibly sinless as somehow a good thing. I see the opposite, and putting Prophets upon pedestals and holding them up as sinless examples sells you short. I believe seeing prophets this way is unrealistic and leads to a misunderstanding of the nature of sin and the effect of sin upon God. If we see ordinary men and women..as sinless... Then what need have we for God in our life? Where does that leave your faith? If these men can be sinless then why not you.. By your own efforts? Dangerous idea that!!!

            ( BTW.. Do you recognise any female Prophets in the Quran? No?? Why not.. Seeing as women are valued greater in the Quran than the Bible...)

            Peace.

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              Prophets to Muslims according to the Quran are perfect human beings who never sinned.

              Prophets (with the exception of Jesus) to Christians according to the Bible are finite and inherited a sinful nature like the rest of mankind that separates them from God, and it took a perfect person to restore them back to fellowship with God only in the OT they had types and shadows of Christ. Catholics see more like Muslims do about saints and prophets. They act as if they are aloof, but the fact is what Jesus said, "The greatest among you will be your servant"
              According to my understanding of the Holy Scriptures believing prophets such as David, Moses, Jonah Jeremiah and so on are perfect and without sin is to commit the sin of idolatry which is a form of man worship. Jesus is the only exception because he was born without male intervention as the son of God. Jesus said to Philip: "If you have seen me you have seen God" He also said, "I and the father are one" We that this to mean they are one in character, essence and nature and at the same time Jesus on earth was less than God in function, office and position. We Christians know who Jesus is; We know He is god's word in human form. God with us as in Isaiah 7 Immanuel. The OT Bible is replete with prophecy pointing to Jesus Christ.
              Mods, when we I be able to post directly?

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                The Bible names at least 10 women prophetesses there were also other women who received messages from God that were considered seers.. God does not distinguish between men and women when it comes to receiving His message.

                Why do you think Allah did not include at least one of the biblical prophetesses in the Quran? Seeing as you say Allah gave more rights to women in the Quran than they had in the Bible.

                As you know, we do not see Prophets or apostles in the Bible as infallible... And there is reason for that.

                God decreed roles for both men and women that were suited to their natures..so as to compliment each other and work together in unity to Gods will. God chooses those to relay His message to mankind according to whom He sees as most suitable.. YHWH values man and woman as equals in regards to this task.. Hence women Prophetesses.

                Peace
                Islam honored women, and gave them all their rights, unlike the Bible, who insulted women and considered the property of the man

                https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t199811.html


                1 - If the women in the Bible prophetess, why insulted Bible women?


                2 - the source of sin how women carrying a message of the Lord?


                3 - the status of the Prophet in the Bible is not good, you admitted that they commit outrageous


                Is the status of the Prophet honored or inferiority?

                Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

                تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                  المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة شمائل مشاهدة المشاركة
                  Islam honored women, and gave them all their rights, unlike the Bible, who insulted women and considered the property of the man

                  https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t199811.html
                  Well, that's fine if you wish to believe that women in Islam today have more freedoms than women in the Bible 2000 years ago.. However, it does not truly reflect the position of women today within Islam or Christianity does it? This is within the remit of your dialogue with Burninglight.. I have no wish to intrude upon that. It may be confusing for you.

                  1 - If the women in the Bible prophetess, why insulted Bible women?
                  The Bible does not insult women.. It is only men who insult women. It's like in Islam where women may be considered equal but men actually call the shots and in most areas women come out the losers.. This has nothing to do with religion but everything to do with some followers of the religion.
                  What do you mean "If" the women in the Bible were Prophetesses" ... There is no IF.. There were.. This is fact. The Old Testament recorded many women who held positions of authority as leaders, Prophets and Judges. Jesus also counted women among His followers as important as the men and did not distinguish between them in matters of intellect and spirituality.


                  2 - the source of sin how women carrying a message of the Lord?
                  Women are NOT the source of sin. God did not create woman in Eve as sinful any more than God created men in Adam as sinful. The source of sin is Satan... Through His pride and jealously thinking he could be as God. Satan is the source of sin and deception. Eve was tempted into sin first.. But Adam was not blameless.. He was weak and went along with the deception.. They both had choice.. God has always allowed HIs creation the freedom of choice..Adam could have stood firm and obeyed Gods command but instead he chose to disobey God. The greatest of sin with the greatest of consequences. You would do well to think on Satan and his character and goals.. To misunderstand the nature of Satan is a serious error of judgement.

                  3 - the status of the Prophet in the Bible is not good, you admitted that they commit outrageous
                  The status of the Prophets in the Bible is not only good, it is an honest representation of the nature of mankind.. Our strengths and weaknesses. We can see that even when we try our best we can fail.. As better people than us.. (Those chosen as Prophets) have sometimes failed. If they can fail and are in need of Gods mercy and forgiveness then how much greater is our need for Gods mercy and forgiveness? You see that a "perfect" prophet. Is a good example to learn from... How so? What is the lesson? For most people it is impossible to emulate or hope to achieve this level of perfection so before we start we are set to fail. I see it could also lead to complacency.. If I just pray harder and be like prophet A or B then I will be right before God. Wrong... Our journey to God is a personal one.. Our efforts have to be born of noble reasonings from within ourselves.. Of what God requires of us personally. Maybe you will not understand what I mean.. Because in Islam I do not see you have that freedom of worship or view your relationship with God in the same way Christians do.

                  Is the status of the Prophet honored or inferiority?
                  I see the Bible prophets as honoured.. They were ordinary men and women chosen by God to do an extraordinary thing.. Be entrusted to relay His glorious plan to mankind. Sometimes they may have failed on a personal level.. Because like us, they are but sinners. However, in their failure their faith in God shone through and it's that faith that.. Knowing we need God in our lives more than God needs us, and having faith that God no matter how we fail or how we let Him down is always there for us. We just need to ask.

                  Revelation 2:20
                  Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
                  On this point.. I was hoping you would not disappoint, and you did not. I somehow knew by mentioning women prophets in the Bible you would be duty bound to seek out a verse to show women prophets in a bad light... I knew you would pick this verse.. Yet, you do not understand its context or you would see it does nothing for your case here.

                  That woman Jezebel ... is an allusion to the history of Ahab and Jezebel, as given in 2 Kings 9:1-10:36. and although we do not know who THIS Jezebel was, we may take it for granted she was a woman of power and influence in Thyatira, who corrupted the true religion, and harassed the followers of God in that city, as Jezebel did in Israel. Jezebel came to a bad end..which had nothing to do with the fact she was a woman but she was a wicked person who led people away from the truth of God encouraging them into idolatry and licentiousness..

                  This is a warning of a false prophet. The Bible is full of warnings about false prophets and how to recognise them.. We are told false prophets will appear until the end times and we must always be upon our guard against them. I find it strange indeed that the Quran compels you to believe in all prophets.. And does not warn you that all prophets may not be from the One true God of the Bible... YHWH.

                  To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

                  Peace.

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                    The Bible does not insult women.. It is only men who insult women. It's like in Islam where women may be considered equal but men actually call the shots and in most areas women come out the losers.. This has nothing to do with religion but everything to do with some followers of the religion.
                    What do you mean "If" the women in the Bible were Prophetesses" ... There is no IF.. There were.. This is fact. The Old Testament recorded many women who held positions of authority as leaders, Prophets and Judges. Jesus also counted women among His followers as important as the men and did not distinguish between them in matters of intellect and spirituality.
                    The Bible says the opposite, Return of the dialogue

                    The problem you are trying to justify and interpret the texts of the Bible is meant

                    Believes that others are stupid to believe anything that is said

                    There are mind distinguish him


                    The status of the Prophets in the Bible is not only good, it is an honest representation of the nature of mankind.. Our strengths and weaknesses. We can see that even when we try our best we can fail.. As better people than us.. (Those chosen as Prophets) have sometimes failed. If they can fail and are in need of Gods mercy and forgiveness then how much greater is our need for Gods mercy and forgiveness? You see that a "perfect" prophet. Is a good example to learn from... How so? What is the lesson? For most people it is impossible to emulate or hope to achieve this level of perfection so before we start we are set to fail. I see it could also lead to complacency.. If I just pray harder and be like prophet A or B then I will be right before God. Wrong... Our journey to God is a personal one.. Our efforts have to be born of noble reasonings from within ourselves.. Of what God requires of us personally. Maybe you will not understand what I mean.. Because in Islam I do not see you have that freedom of worship or view your relationship with God in the same way Christians do.

                    You must consider the subject on the other hand, how God chooses men liars to carry the teachings of the Lord


                    Today states choose the best representatives, worked as ambassadors to other countries


                    The Lord of Christians (promenade) chooses people practicing all sins, and that their mission is funny human and moral




                    it is an honest representation of the nature of mankind.
                    We believe that human nature is good, not evil

                    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                    • #11
                      المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة شمائل مشاهدة المشاركة
                      The Bible says the opposite, Return of the dialogue

                      The problem you are trying to justify and interpret the texts of the Bible is meant

                      Believes that others are stupid to believe anything that is said

                      There are mind distinguish him
                      if you feel the Bible says the opposite please bring some verses so I can see where you are coming to this conclusion.

                      I certainly do not believe you are in any way stupid, you simply do not understand the Bible.. And I do not blame you for that.. I expect you have always been told that the Bible is corrupt etc.. You have to believe this.. I don't have this preformed idea of the Quran as the Bible never mentions it. So I can look at it objectively and see if in my view it offers anything better than what I already have in the Bible. Well... Sorry it does not. The way the Quran presents the biblical prophets has little to do with the reality of the prophets being first and foremost human. It's view of the prophets seems to me akin to a fairy tale. I do not wish to cause offence by that remark.. But if I am to be honest that's how it seems to me. Besides you say far worse about my Holy Book.. It's not my wish that you remain in ignorance of what Christians believe and what the Bible actually says as opposed to what you think we believe and what you think the Bible says. Reject the truth of the Bible by all means.. You are free to do so.. But firstly you really should understand what it is you reject.

                      I don't need to justify any thing in the Bible. As the inspired word of God it needs no justification from me! It speaks for itself. It is clear to me, but for you.. Who have never looked at the Bible seriously through seeing eyes.. Don't see it, and constantly or maybe even wilfully see things out of context. I am simply attempting to explain where you interpret things wrongly..


                      You must consider the subject on the other hand, how God chooses men liars to carry the teachings of the Lord


                      Today states choose the best representatives, worked as ambassadors to other countries


                      The Lord of Christians (promenade) chooses people practicing all sins, and that their mission is funny human and moral
                      God did not purposely choose liars?? God chose men and women whom for the most part were upstanding and pious individuals. Yet, being human they were prone to the same weaknesses and temptations as the rest of us.
                      Yes.. We as society choose the best representatives, in democracies we vote for those who we admire and who we feel will best serve our interests. However, we have no guarantee that those we choose will live up to our expectations. In fact more often than not they fail. Because they are human.
                      The very reason Jesus was born of woman and not created in the way of Adam was to make us right and once again holy so we can too share in the Glory of God. Without the sinless being of Jesus we will always fall short of Gods Glory that's why He said He was the only way to God the Father... I have no reason to assume that He did not mean what he said.. And being sinless and perfect I believe He was telling the truth.


                      We believe that human nature is good, not evil
                      Thats your first mistake then. :) it can't be just good.. Otherwise we would be free from sin, which we are not. For good to exist then evil also has to exist. Without evil we have no way of understanding what is good. Evil is deception.. If you are deceived into thinking that human nature is by default all good then you leave yourself open to deception... Because you will not recognise it for what it is or know how to fight and defeat it.

                      Peace.

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                      • #12
                        You do not know anything about the Bible nor the Koran, you're only talking emotionally

                        We want to agree on your side and the bad to the Lord and the prophets in the Bible, arguing brothers in humanity

                        You must know, we are working to remove all those lies about God and Jesus and all the prophets (peace be upon them)



                        Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity. [If there had been], then each deity would have taken what it created, and some of them would have sought to overcome others. Exalted is Allah above what they describe [concerning Him].


                        We as society choose the best representatives, in democracies we vote for those who we admire and who we feel will best serve our interests. However, we have no guarantee that those we choose will live up to our expectations
                        We do not know the unseen, but God knows the future. For this, God knows who they aremorally better people to be his apostles

                        Logically, it is unfair to force me a prophet or prophetess: adulterer or a liar or a thief, tofollow his teachings

                        Is not morally qualified to carry the message and the Lord's

                        Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I was sent to perfect good character."

                        (The Verse) "Hold to forgiveness; command what is right..." was revealed by Allah except in connection with the character of the people. `Abdullah bin Az-Zubair said: Allah ordered His Prophet to forgive the people their misbehavior (towards him).


                        Thats your first mistake then. :) it can't be just good.. Otherwise we would be free from sin, which we are not. For good to exist then evil also has to exist. Without evil we have no way of understanding what is good. Evil is deception.. If you are deceived into thinking that human nature is by default all good then you leave yourself open to deception... Because you will not recognise it for what it is or know how to fight and defeat it.

                        تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                        اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                          Thats your first mistake then. :) it can't be just good.. Otherwise we would be free from sin, which we are not. For good to exist then evil also has to exist. Without evil we have no way of understanding what is good. Evil is deception.. If you are deceived into thinking that human nature is by default all good then you leave yourself open to deception... Because you will not recognise it for what it is or know how to fight and defeat it.
                          Goodnessis the root,and the evil inclination because of the whispers of Satan and society

                          Islam believes that human nature is the love of the good and not evil

                          Contrary to what you believe in,there is no difference between Satan and man in Christianity

                          تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                          اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                            المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة شمائل مشاهدة المشاركة
                            You do not know anything about the Bible nor the Koran, you're only talking emotionally

                            We want to agree on your side and the bad to the Lord and the prophets in the Bible, arguing brothers in humanity

                            You must know, we are working to remove all those lies about God and Jesus and all the prophets (peace be upon them)



                            Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity. [If there had been], then each deity would have taken what it created, and some of them would have sought to overcome others. Exalted is Allah above what they describe [concerning Him].
                            Ooo.. How very dare you to claim so bold that I know nothing of the Bible! I accept it is fair to say that I do not know as much as you about the Quran. But my dear, from your posts is clear that you know very little of the Bible, and what you think you know it's clear you do not understand.
                            I may talk emotionally, that's because I am very passionate about my faith, My God and my Saviour Jesus Christ... There is nothing wrong with emotion, emotion powers our lives without it we are automatons.. Love is emotion, by loving The Lord my God and His Word Jesus Christ, I can also love you... Even though we never meet and at times you can be a cruel and harsh person.. That is no obstacle to me being able to love you as a sister in humanity. My God demands it of me.. And it a demand that I am only to happy to accede to, because I know as God is love., then loving is to be nearer to Him. So that's the way this cookie crumbles.. Like it or not.

                            what you are actually wanting.. Is for Christians to agree that how the Quran portrays the prophets is better than the way they are portrayed in the Bible. Be honest, here... Is that not the case? Well.. That's not going to happen... We see God as Truth therefore follows His word is Truth.. The Bible makes it clear why God chose prophets thus.. They were real people, ordinary people touched by God to carry His revelation to mankind.. It was for that they were honoured among men, it was for that they are honoured today. They are honoured in truth because we see them as real, faults and all. We can identify with them and by doing so understand how much we are all in need of Gods forgiveness and mercy. They are not fairy tale princes or supermen and women.. Just people who were especially chosen by God. It's not for us to ponder why God chose them above others. As I said if there is a particular account you are having problem understanding then.. Post it I will try and explain it for you.

                            Sweetie, there are no lies for you to worry about... You cannot remove the truth of Gods words, and you cannot say they are lies because you don't like them or don't agree with what they say. It doesn't work like that.

                            We do not know the unseen, but God knows the future. For this, God knows who they aremorally better people to be his apostles

                            Logically, it is unfair to force me a prophet or prophetess: adulterer or a liar or a thief, tofollow his teachings

                            Is not morally qualified to carry the message and the Lord's

                            Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I was sent to perfect good character."

                            (The Verse) "Hold to forgiveness; command what is right..." was revealed by Allah except in connection with the character of the people. `Abdullah bin Az-Zubair said: Allah ordered His Prophet to forgive the people their misbehavior (towards him).


                            Thats your first mistake then. :) it can't be just good.. Otherwise we would be free from sin, which we are not. For good to exist then evil also has to exist. Without evil we have no way of understanding what is good. Evil is deception.. If you are deceived into thinking that human nature is by default all good then you leave yourself open to deception... Because you will not recognise it for what it is or know how to fight and defeat it.

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                              المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة شمائل مشاهدة المشاركة




                              Goodnessis the root,and the evil inclination because of the whispers of Satan and society
                              Goodness is the root, for sure we are not born bad.. To sin one has to know the difference between good and bad.. A newborn does not have this ability so we are all born good. However... The difference being, we are born with a propensity to sin... Which like it or not stems from Adams fall from grace, if this were not so... We would not be committing any sin. Society is made up of mankind if sin were not within mankind then it would not exist in society. As for Satan.. He has no need to be whispering in ears.. He is bigger than that. His goal is to steal souls from God and take these souls for himself..if our sin alone was a surety of achieving this aim then he need do nothing... For all of us sin.. It is our state. However, those of us who believe have Gods mercy to rely on. The Bible tells us that Jesus is the way to God, Jesus says so Himself that He is the way.. Not A way, but the only way. You have chosen to take pot luck and believe you can make it on your own just by repenting of your sins, doing good deeds and all will be well. I hope you are right.. And Satan does not already have one hand one your soul thinking you could become his.

                              [QUOTE]Islam believes that human nature is the love of the good and not evil[/QURAN]

                              is this really the case? Does reality of the world we live in and the state of mankind lead you to believe this fact..based on logic and evidence? If human nature only loved good.. Then why are people so bad? You, as Muslim pride yourself on the need of logical evidence to bolster your belief..where is your logic here??? Does the Quran itself lay claim to this belief? Because the Quran like the Bible recognises that Adams fall from grace is fact, and also recognises that this fall has eternal consequences for mankind.. If Adam was simply forgiven then there would be no further consequences. The fact that Adam was expelled from Paradise with no way back, and was condemned to die.. (Which meant spiritual death.. Far more serious than physical death) and live out a life of toil on earth.. Along with all his descendants to follow.. is proof enough that we as descendants of Adams share in this legacy.

                              Contrary to what you believe in,there is no difference between Satan and man in Christianity
                              There is a huge difference between Satan and man!! Honestly, I despair sometimes at the things you say!!!!! However, I see the Bible gives a greater understanding of the nature, aims and objectives of Satan and in knowing that also shows us how the better to avoid his deceptions and cleave to God. If you are thinking Satan is some bad guy who creeps around whispering evil temptations in your ear.. Then woe betide you. Satan knows who Jesus is.. And he fears Jesus. Jesus has the power to cast out demons. Jesus won against Satan by conquering death on our behalf... So by this we are saved and will achieve eternal life..

                              Peace to you.

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