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**فداء الرسول** · 11-06-2014, 11:28

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. I have never demanded a Muslim don't say Jesus or to say Jesus is the son of God.

We do not believe, that Jesus was the Son of God. Jesus Messenger of Allah

how can a Muslim's prophet be Islam's messenger when the messenger was Gabriel? The Muslim's prophet just repeated what he heard the messenger of Allah (Gabriel) say. IOW, he didn't hear directly from Allah like all the prophets of the Bible heard directly from God. Gabriel is a messenger, because he is an angel. That is what angel means! To whoever wrote me that PM: your prophet is not an angel is he?

What do you think that the complete subject of women in Christianity. Then we talk aboutthe prophets

**Burninglight** · 12-06-2014, 03:03

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We do not believe, that Jesus was the Son of God. Jesus Messenger of Allah

We don't believe your messenger of Islam is God's prophet; and Jesus was never a messenger; He is the Message!

I didn't address you other comment because it wasn't coherent to the topic of this thread.

Peace be unto you

**فداء الرسول** · 12-06-2014, 11:27

Is not necessary that you have to think of the Prophet Muhammad from God

But you have to respect holy sites

***اسلامي عزي*** · 12-06-2014, 12:06

We don't believe your messenger of Islam is God's prophet

Perhaps the person who made the following videos do it just for propaganda !!???

the samaritan highest priest admits that prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him was a true messenger of God :

the jewish Rabbi Daniel Lapin admits Muslims are blessed by YAHWEH ( God ) :

the samaritans and jews are all liars ????

**Burninglight** · 12-06-2014, 14:46

Interesting videos, I believe and I can back up with Scripture that Ishmael was blessed by God for Abraham's sake to be a strong and powerful nation with him against all and all against him. Islam is the culmination of such a prophecy, but Ishmael was not the child of promise. No prophets of God come out of his line. Being blessed doesn't mean being a prophet. Islam's messenger Muhammad never heard directly from God. Ishmael never heard directly from God. His name means "God heard or hears him" not he heard from God. All prophets hear directly from God at least once in there life time. There is no evidence of this for Ishmael nor is there for Islam's messenger. Ishmael was rejected from being God's prophet and as the child of promise by both God and Abraham. God hearing someone doesn't mean they are a prophet or that God will honor what He hears. The videos were interesting though.
Peace be unto you

**pandora** · 12-06-2014, 19:34

Of course the samaritans and jews are not all liars... What a ridiculous thing to say! I would say they are expressing their personal opinion which they are free to do. Their opinion is not proof of anything as such..

Peace.

***اسلامي عزي*** · 13-06-2014, 03:41

I believe and I can back up with Scripture that Ishmael was blessed by God for Abraham's sake to be a strong and powerful nation

Genesis 17 :20

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation

but Ishmael was not the child of promise

KJV :

And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah;

Isaac was he the only son???

no of course !

please read this first :

Abraham: One God, Three Wives, Five Religions

Frances Worthington

page : 113

https://books.google.it/books?id=LVUw...0becca&f=false

No prophets of God come out of his line

are you sure ????

Dictionary of the Bible
Philip Schaff

https://bluehost.levendwater.org/book...ible/index.htm

I would say they are expressing their personal opinion

I'm sorry, idon't think so !

**Burninglight** · 13-06-2014, 04:11

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Genesis 17 :20

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation]

Yes, I fully agree with this verse. What is your point?

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KJV :

And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah;

Isaac was he the only son???

no of course !

Yes, especially after he sent Ishmael away. Ishmael was reject by God and Abraham as the child of promise; nevertheless, Abraham loved him and for his sake, God made him a great nation, but no prophets come out of Ishmael according to the Scriptures.

***اسلامي عزي*** · 13-06-2014, 12:22

Of course the samaritans and jews are not all liars

wonderful words !

listen to this jewish Rabii who says :

islam is an ancient raligion
islam is the religion of Adam , Noah , Abraham , Isaac and all prophets .

Genesis 17 :20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation

Yes, I fully agree with this verse. What is your point?

I think God's promise has been achieved ,
and Muslims are this promised great nation ,

His name means "God heard or hears him" not he heard from God.

the jewish Rabbi Daniel Lapin says :

but God listen to him ( Muslims) in different ways (time 2: 38)
the french jewish Rabbi RoN Chaya also says the same words.
let me translate for you.

he says :
In the TORAH there's no word for coincidence,=====> ISHMAEL
Muslims ( ISHMAEL ) are the only nation who worship our God EL (God of Abraham) wiht out incarnation .
God heard Muslims five times a day,
From Pakistan to Morocco you can hear " ALLAHo akbar " God is great five times a day .

any comment ???

**Burninglight** · 13-06-2014, 23:57

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wonderful words !

listen to this jewish Rabii who says :

islam is an ancient raligion
islam is the religion of Adam , Noah , Abraham , Isaac and all prophets .

I think God's promise has been achieved ,
and Muslims are this promised great nation ,

the jewish Rabbi Daniel Lapin says :

but God listen to him ( Muslims) in different ways (time 2: 38)
the french jewish Rabbi RoN Chaya also says the same words.
let me translate for you.

he says :
In the TORAH there's no word for coincidence,=====> ISHMAEL
Muslims ( ISHMAEL ) are the only nation who worship our God EL (God of Abraham) wiht out incarnation .
God heard Muslims five times a day,
From Pakistan to Morocco you can hear " ALLAHo akbar " God is great five times a day .

any comment ???

If I believed that it was Ishmael instead of Isaac that Abraham was going to sacrifice that would be a strong argument in favor of Islam; however, the fact that Islam doesn't believe God sacrificed His only son (Jesus) like Abraham was about to do gives Islam away. Had Muhammad agreed about Jesus death and denied the virgin birth, he would have had a greater Christian following, but as it stands, there are too many holes to carry water. That is not the case with the Scriptures that came before

**pandora** · 14-06-2014, 01:01

I thought the Isaac Ishmael question had been done already. The Quran does not state it was Ishmael.. Muslims have inferred that. In fact, I believe Islamic scholars themselves are divided on this issue. The Bible is clear on who is the child of promise.. Isaac.. And why.

God promised to bless Ishmael, and make him a father of many nations.. This God did. However, I'm not sure if any of these "nations" would be seen as being particularly blessed today.. With the conflict and turmoil existing among them.

***اسلامي عزي*** · 14-06-2014, 02:06

If I believed that it was Ishmael instead of Isaac that Abraham was going to sacrifice that would be a strong argument in favor of Islam; however, the fact that Islam doesn't believe God sacrificed His only son (Jesus) like Abraham was about to do gives Islam away.

Jesus comes to the world in order to make amends for the sin of Adam .
Abraham tries to sacriface his only son هin response to the God 's Command .
There is no way to make a comparaison here.

Had Muhammad agreed about Jesus death and denied the virgin birth, he would have had a greater Christian following

The holy Quran denies clearly the incarnation , the crucifixion and the death of jesus but he accepts the concept of his virgin birth .
Do you think if our prophet Muhammad

would have a greater people following if he tell him that God come out of two prostitute's line ???

God promised to bless Ishmael, and make him a father of many nations.. This God did. However, I'm not sure if any of these "nations" would be seen as being particularly blessed today.. With the conflict and turmoil existing among them.

Here are the blessed =====> thePeaceful people who fill mosques and streets !
Not the head ' s cutters !

The last video is from Russia .

**pandora** · 14-06-2014, 02:10

Thankfully I don't get your videos on my device... :) so cannot comment on your post.

***اسلامي عزي*** · 14-06-2014, 02:34

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Do you think if our prophet Muhammad

would have a greater people following if he tell him that God come out of two prostitute's line ???

Any answer ????

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