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  • #46
    Parables ????!!!!
    I don't think so!
    below a nice icon representing Jesus the God of mercy carrying a sword in order to kill The Prophet Balaam !
    the main source is an arabic-orthodoxe web site :










    https://st-takla.org/Full-Free-Coptic...2_B/B_207.html

    On further reading of this post I realise you think the person with the sword depicts Jesus Himself. I'm not sure where you get this impression, but to be clear the story of Balaam is found in the Old Testament, and the biblical account has it that the being sent with a sword to exact judgement upon Balaam was an Angel of The Lord... Not Jesus Christ.

    Numbers 22:21-39


    Balaam’s Donkey


    21 Balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the Moabite officials. 22 But God was very angry when he went, and the angel of the Lord stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. 23 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, it turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat it to get it back on the road.

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    • #47
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      On further reading of this post I realise you think the person with the sword depicts Jesus Himself. I'm not sure where you get this impression, but to be clear the story of Balaam is found in the Old Testament, and the biblical account has it that the being sent with a sword to exact judgement upon Balaam was an Angel of The Lord... Not Jesus Christ.

      Numbers 22:21-39


      Balaam’s Donkey


      21 Balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the Moabite officials. 22 But God was very angry when he went, and the angel of the Lord stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. 23 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, it turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat it to get it back on the road.

      Peace
      The OP says rest assure he is not drunk. What is worse than drunk is trying to prove most of the Scripture that came before Muhammad's birth is wicked and an evil corruption. It is sad that that is the mostly used tactic to promote the Quran. I rather be drunk on the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues any day.

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      • #48
        lol... What's with mr angry face?
        Rest assured I'm not angry .

        My question to you is that Islam teaching men how to beat their wives so that abuse won't take place, but why doesn't Islam teach the men not to be their wives to avoid abuse?
        What do you mean exactly !!!???
        Can you rephrase the question please?

        It is sad that that is the mostly used tactic to promote the Quran.
        the God's words the( holy Coran ) does not need any kind of support .

        What is worse than drunk is trying to prove most of the Scripture that came before Muhammad's birth is wicked and an evil corruption.
        Unfortunately these are the teachings of the supposed God .
        the christianity doesn't need any makeup !
        Not anymore !
        Even innocent children are massacred without mercy.

        Ezekiel 9 : 6

        Slaughter the old men, the young men and women,
        the mothers and children

        Did you check out Jezebel?
        I've talked about her in the arabic froum .
        please check out the date !
        as you can see the thread was posted on 04-06-2014 .



        "crush without mercy "

        https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t199762.html

        Do you know what it means?
        yes i know very well what it means !
        Every pretty and immature woman is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout .
        of course this description applies to every beautiful and immaturate christian woman !




        On further reading of this post I realise you think the person with the sword depicts Jesus Himself. I'm not sure where you get this impression, but to be clear the story of Balaam is found in the Old Testament
        I know very well that the story of Balaam is found in the Old Testament .

        the angel who appeared to Balaam is jesus him self
        jesus appeared to Balaam as an angel !
        this fact is stated by the arabic orthodox web site !

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        https://st-takla.org/Full-Free-Coptic...2_B/B_207.html


        I recommend you also to read this :

        In the book of Numbers, chapter 22 to chapter 24, God Himself came to Balaam. Jesus appeared as the Angel
        of the Lord
        and Balaam not only saw a vision of God.
        It is written that the Lord opened the
        mouth of the donkeyconfirming that the Angel of the Lord is indeed the Lord Himself.

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        https://www.bibleabookoftruth.com/Jes...lOfTheLord.pdf

        peace with you .
        التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة *اسلامي عزي*; الساعة 20-06-2014, 23:53.







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        سُبحان الذي يـُطعـِمُ ولا يُطعَم ،
        منّ علينا وهدانا ، و أعطانا و آوانا ،
        وكلّ بلاء حسن أبلانا ،
        الحمدُ لله حمداً حمداً ،
        الحمدُ لله حمداً يعدلُ حمدَ الملائكة المُسبّحين ، و الأنبياء و المُرسلين ،
        الحمدُ لله حمدًا كثيراً طيّبا مُطيّبا مُباركاً فيه ، كما يُحبّ ربّنا و يرضى ،
        اللهمّ لكَ الحمدُ في أرضك ، ولك الحمدُ فوق سماواتك ،
        لكَ الحمدُ حتّى ترضى ، ولكَ الحمدُ إذا رضيتَ ، ولكَ الحمدُ بعد الرضى ،
        اللهمّ لك الحمدُ حمداً كثيراً يملأ السماوات العلى ، يملأ الأرض و مابينهما ،
        تباركتَ ربّنا وتعالَيتَ .


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        • #49
          I've talked about her in the arabic froum .please check out the date !
          as you can see the thread was posted on 04-06-2014 .






          "crush without mercy "


          افرم و لا تشفق عينك
          Talked about her that's good..I expect then you understand why God decreed Jezebel be devoured by dogs?




          yes i know very well what it means !
          Every pretty and immature woman is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout .
          of course this description applies to every beautiful and immaturate christian woman !
          amazing .. I even explained it for you and you still don't understand!!!!!

          [QUOTE]I know very well that the story of Balaam is found in the Old Testament .


          the angel who appeared to Balaam is jesus him self
          jesus appeared to Balaam as an angel !
          this fact is stated by the arabic orthodox web site !

          this may be stated as fact by your Arabic orthodox website but that does not make it fact.. The Bible clearly states ..

          Balaam and His Donkey Meet an Angel


          22 Balaam was riding his donkey to Moab, and two of his servants were with him. But God was angry that Balaam had gone, so one of the Lord’s angels stood in the road to stop him. 23 When Balaam’s donkey saw the angel standing there with a sword, it walked off the road and into an open field. Balaam had to beat the donkey to get it back on the road.


          24 Then the angel stood between two vineyards, in a narrow path with a stone wall on each side. 25 When the donkey saw the angel, it walked so close to one of the walls that Balaam’s foot scraped against the wall. Balaam beat the donkey again.


          26 The angel moved once more and stood in a spot so narrow that there was no room for the donkey to go around. 27 So it just lay down. Balaam lost his temper, then picked up a stick and smacked the donkey.


          28 When that happened, the Lord told the donkey to speak, and it asked Balaam, “What have I done to you that made you beat me three times?”


          29 “You made me look stupid!” Balaam answered. “If I had a sword, I’d kill you here and now!”


          30 “But you’re my owner,” replied the donkey, “and you’ve ridden me many times. Have I ever done anything like this before?”


          “No,” Balaam admitted.


          31 Just then, the Lord let Balaam see the angel standing in the road, holding a sword, and Balaam bowed down.


          The Lord .. Is God..YHWH.. The Angel of The Lord.. Is an angel.. A heavenly host at The Lord Gods command..Jesus is not mentioned by name.. You are putting words where they are not. The Lord opened the mouth of the donkey refers to God.. Who is unseen.. If The Lord opened balsams eyes so that he could see what the donkey saw.. Which was the angel of The Lord blocking his path with sword raised.. Was then The Lord in two places at once? There are clearly to beings depicted here.. Apart that is from Balaam.. The Lord and the angel of The Lord..Jesus was never an Angel.. Even the Quran has never claimed Jesus was an angel. You my friend are not making sense here.

          I'll give your link a read though, it should be interesting to see what it has to say.

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          • #50
            Slaughter the old men, the young men and women,
            the mothers and children
            any comment ???




            Was then The Lord in two places at once?
            What do you think ????
            The Lord can't do that ???



            You my friend are not making sense here.
            You have to protest in front of the christian web site who said that not in front of me !







            أنقر(ي) فضلاً أدناه :





            سُبحان الذي يـُطعـِمُ ولا يُطعَم ،
            منّ علينا وهدانا ، و أعطانا و آوانا ،
            وكلّ بلاء حسن أبلانا ،
            الحمدُ لله حمداً حمداً ،
            الحمدُ لله حمداً يعدلُ حمدَ الملائكة المُسبّحين ، و الأنبياء و المُرسلين ،
            الحمدُ لله حمدًا كثيراً طيّبا مُطيّبا مُباركاً فيه ، كما يُحبّ ربّنا و يرضى ،
            اللهمّ لكَ الحمدُ في أرضك ، ولك الحمدُ فوق سماواتك ،
            لكَ الحمدُ حتّى ترضى ، ولكَ الحمدُ إذا رضيتَ ، ولكَ الحمدُ بعد الرضى ،
            اللهمّ لك الحمدُ حمداً كثيراً يملأ السماوات العلى ، يملأ الأرض و مابينهما ،
            تباركتَ ربّنا وتعالَيتَ .


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            • #51
              المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة *اسلامي عزي* مشاهدة المشاركة
              any comment ???






              What do you think ????
              The Lord can't do that ???





              You have to protest in front of the christian web site who said that not in front of me !
              I don't know what to tell you except take it up with the one who sent the torah not us Christians. We follow Jesus who said love your enemies.

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              • #52
                المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة Burninglight مشاهدة المشاركة
                I don't know what to tell you except take it up with the one who sent the torah not us Christians. We
                follow Jesus who said love your enemies.
                According to the christian faith ==> Yahweh = Jesus .
                Maybe you forgot the fact that who sent the torah is the same one who sent the new testament !








                أنقر(ي) فضلاً أدناه :





                سُبحان الذي يـُطعـِمُ ولا يُطعَم ،
                منّ علينا وهدانا ، و أعطانا و آوانا ،
                وكلّ بلاء حسن أبلانا ،
                الحمدُ لله حمداً حمداً ،
                الحمدُ لله حمداً يعدلُ حمدَ الملائكة المُسبّحين ، و الأنبياء و المُرسلين ،
                الحمدُ لله حمدًا كثيراً طيّبا مُطيّبا مُباركاً فيه ، كما يُحبّ ربّنا و يرضى ،
                اللهمّ لكَ الحمدُ في أرضك ، ولك الحمدُ فوق سماواتك ،
                لكَ الحمدُ حتّى ترضى ، ولكَ الحمدُ إذا رضيتَ ، ولكَ الحمدُ بعد الرضى ،
                اللهمّ لك الحمدُ حمداً كثيراً يملأ السماوات العلى ، يملأ الأرض و مابينهما ،
                تباركتَ ربّنا وتعالَيتَ .


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                • #53
                  المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة *اسلامي عزي* مشاهدة المشاركة
                  any comment ???

                  You are not interested in explanations, so I'm not sure it worth my time and effort to offer you one for Ezekiel 9:6 which you I think are hoping puts Christians in a difficult position. Well it doesn't.. I'll keep it brief. ~

                  God is angry with Israel because of their sin, particularly their idolatry. There can be no truce between God and sin. Where he sees lawlessness and godlessness, he cannot but react with holy aversion. It is his very nature to react in wrath against sin and its perpetrators. Surely Allah does show righteous wrath on occasion.. If not then how can he be just? Were God to be without anger towards sin, the world would have no meaning. Though these chapters are tough and unrelenting, the message of grace shines through in a remnant that God, and God alone, rescues.

                  In chapter 28 we see an account of the fall of Satan..


                  "Your heart was proud because of your beauty;
                  you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor.
                  I cast you to the ground;
                  I exposed you before kings,
                  to feast their eyes on you.
                  By the multitude of your iniquities,
                  in the unrighteousness of your trade
                  you profaned your sanctuaries; ..." (Ezek 28:17-18a)

                  to to understand the context here you need to understand the Prophet. Read Ezekiel he was a prophet who had quite an insight into sin, and how God relates to it. That's why Christians accept what you see as "difficult" passages as having an importance to Gods plan. We need to know Gods wrath is real and it is to be feared.. We never question Gods divine judgement even when it seems harsh because we know God will prevail over evil whatever the cost.

                  What do you think ????
                  The Lord can't do that ???

                  For sure yes of course.. God is omnipresent. It is you who is saying that Jesus was mentioned as the angel when He patently was not mentioned at all.

                  You have to protest in front of the christian web site who said that not in front of me !
                  No need.. They are entitled to their opinion, I believe they are wrong to interpret the Angel of The Lord with Jesus Christ because no where does the Bible say Jesus is an angel.

                  Peace..

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                  • #54
                    المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة *اسلامي عزي* مشاهدة المشاركة
                    According to the christian faith ==> Yahweh = Jesus .
                    Maybe you forgot the fact that who sent the torah is the same one who sent the new testament !

                    We are in agreement here!

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                    • #55
                      God is angry with Israel because of their idolatry ===> i' totally agree with you.
                      but...
                      What is the crime committed by the young and innocent children and for that they are slaughtered !








                      أنقر(ي) فضلاً أدناه :





                      سُبحان الذي يـُطعـِمُ ولا يُطعَم ،
                      منّ علينا وهدانا ، و أعطانا و آوانا ،
                      وكلّ بلاء حسن أبلانا ،
                      الحمدُ لله حمداً حمداً ،
                      الحمدُ لله حمداً يعدلُ حمدَ الملائكة المُسبّحين ، و الأنبياء و المُرسلين ،
                      الحمدُ لله حمدًا كثيراً طيّبا مُطيّبا مُباركاً فيه ، كما يُحبّ ربّنا و يرضى ،
                      اللهمّ لكَ الحمدُ في أرضك ، ولك الحمدُ فوق سماواتك ،
                      لكَ الحمدُ حتّى ترضى ، ولكَ الحمدُ إذا رضيتَ ، ولكَ الحمدُ بعد الرضى ،
                      اللهمّ لك الحمدُ حمداً كثيراً يملأ السماوات العلى ، يملأ الأرض و مابينهما ،
                      تباركتَ ربّنا وتعالَيتَ .


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                      • #56
                        المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة *اسلامي عزي* مشاهدة المشاركة
                        God is angry with Israel because of their idolatry ===> i' totally agree with you.
                        but...
                        What is the crime committed by the young and innocent children and for that they are slaughtered !

                        Why don't you ask Allah? He is the one who sent down the torah. Why would anyone want to corrupt the torah with a story like that? Maybe God allowed it to be done because the children would carry on the idolatry, sin and wickedness of their parents. After all, God is all knowing. Maybe you should concentrate on supporting what your god does instead of looking to criticize him.

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                        • #57
                          المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة Burninglight مشاهدة المشاركة
                          Why don't you ask Allah? He is the one who sent down the torah. Why would anyone want to corrupt the torah with a story like that? Maybe God allowed it to be done because the children would carry on the idolatry, sin and wickedness of their parents. After all, God is all knowing. Maybe you should concentrate on supporting what your god does instead of looking to criticize him.
                          That's exactly it Burninglight.. God knows what we do not.. I mentioned on another thread. It may have been preferably to God to take the children to Him and in His mercy sparing them a life of sin and idolatry. Who are we to argue with what God decrees?

                          I don't see muslims arguing with Allah about the difficult and violent verses in the Quran that call muslims to pass violent judgement on unbelievers for example. If that acceptance of what Allah decrees for you is ok.. Then why are you criticising the Bible for what God decreed for His people. The judgements in the Bible were for a particular circumstance and a particular people at that time alone. It is not meant that we carry out such judgements today.

                          blessings

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                          • #58
                            المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة pandora مشاهدة المشاركة
                            That's exactly it Burninglight.. God knows what we do not.. I mentioned on another thread. It may have been preferably to God to take the children to Him and in His mercy sparing them a life of sin and idolatry. Who are we to argue with what God decrees?

                            I don't see muslims arguing with Allah about the difficult and violent verses in the Quran that call muslims to pass violent judgement on unbelievers for example. If that acceptance of what Allah decrees for you is ok.. Then why are you criticising the Bible for what God decreed for His people. The judgements in the Bible were for a particular circumstance and a particular people at that time alone. It is not meant that we carry out such judgements today.

                            blessings
                            Exactly, but the thing is by criticizing the Torah (OT Bible), they are not only criticizing our faith (Christianity), our God, but also their faith, god and religion. It appears to be a lose, lose situation for them. It is kind of like one cutting off their nose just to spite their own face. It is total insanity. I really can't take too much more of this foolishness. Maybe during Ramadan Muslims could ask Jesus since He is not dead what role He wants to play in the lives of Muslims and Christians.

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                            • #59
                              Christian women share the same inheritance as Christian men in the hereafter, but do Muslim women share the same as Muslim men?

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                              • #60

                                He is the one who sent down the torah.
                                The true God does not order - in any circumstances - the killing of innocent babys !

                                Maybe God allowed it to be done because the children would carry on the idolatry, sin and wickedness of their parents.
                                put the text from the OT .please !

                                I don't see muslims arguing with Allah about the difficult and violent verses in the Quran that call muslims to pass violent judgement on unbelievers for example.
                                Allah order Muslims to fight and kill only the pagans and the polytheists warriors .
                                where is the problem ????

                                Christian women share the same inheritance as Christian men in the hereafter, but do Muslim women share the same as Muslim men?
                                the answer is NO .

                                Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females.

                                the holy Qura'n 4 : 11

                                who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones !

                                deut 21 : 17

                                But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.




                                here is the position of the women in Christianity .
                                she is like a merchandise !

                                Mat 18 : 25

                                But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

                                Exodus 21 : 7

                                And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.



                                PEACE ....







                                أنقر(ي) فضلاً أدناه :





                                سُبحان الذي يـُطعـِمُ ولا يُطعَم ،
                                منّ علينا وهدانا ، و أعطانا و آوانا ،
                                وكلّ بلاء حسن أبلانا ،
                                الحمدُ لله حمداً حمداً ،
                                الحمدُ لله حمداً يعدلُ حمدَ الملائكة المُسبّحين ، و الأنبياء و المُرسلين ،
                                الحمدُ لله حمدًا كثيراً طيّبا مُطيّبا مُباركاً فيه ، كما يُحبّ ربّنا و يرضى ،
                                اللهمّ لكَ الحمدُ في أرضك ، ولك الحمدُ فوق سماواتك ،
                                لكَ الحمدُ حتّى ترضى ، ولكَ الحمدُ إذا رضيتَ ، ولكَ الحمدُ بعد الرضى ،
                                اللهمّ لك الحمدُ حمداً كثيراً يملأ السماوات العلى ، يملأ الأرض و مابينهما ،
                                تباركتَ ربّنا وتعالَيتَ .


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