Women and the sin in Christianity:

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels"

(I Corinthians 11:8,10)

Woman is a daughter of Falsehood, a sentinel of Hell, the enemy of peace; through her Adam lost Paradise."

(St. John Damascene)

"Woman is the instrument which the Devil uses to gain possession of our souls."

(St. Cyprian)

"Woman is the fountain of the arm of the Devil; her voice is the hissing of the serpent"

(St. Anthony)

"Women has the poison of an asp, the malice of a dragon."

(St. gregory the Great)

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What is the interpretation of these texts?

Point system:

Do not move on to the status of women in Islam, but after the response to the question

Okay, my sister of humanity. I can only respond to the passage you quoted from the Bible, because I do not recognize or accept the other sources as Scriptural anymore than I do Muhammad's sayings and doings.

You must not confuse Catholicism with true Biblical Christianity. The Catholics have a lot of man made tradition locked into their practices. I know I was born and raised one, I left Catholicism, because of their tradition and idolatry. Now these people represent Catholicism for the most part. I agree with you that their words alone are sin let alone believing those lies. Let me spell out these people and their sayings to you: St. John Damascene)

"Woman is the instrument which the Devil uses to gain possession of our souls."

(St. Cyprian)

"Woman is the fountain of the arm of the Devil; her voice is the hissing of the serpent"

(St. Anthony)

"Women has the poison of an asp, the malice of a dragon."

(St. gregory the Great)

These people are liars and do not speak for God. These are sick deceived men.

On the other hand. Paul is different. Lets look at what he said: "For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man." This is not sin; it is true. god created man first then Eve from his rib. "Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." This is true. Adam was given a help mate by God. "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels" This is something that Muslims agree with. Don't they wear a Hijab? Do you feel that is a sin?

Peace

Lets move on to Islam Muhammad claims that the wit of a woman is half that of a man. How could he feel that way when it was his wife that encouraged him to believe he wasn't possessed by devils, but he was a prophet of Allah. Or is it true that the woman is the cause of paradise lost for the man? I ask only rhetorically, lol, I know woman is no more evil than men. Adam had the power to choose not to follow Eve, and Muhammad had power to choose to reject the counsel of his wife, but he didn't and Adam didn't. Jesus is the only one who went against all influences of sin and stood alone in this area, because He was and is the only perfect human being, the son of man and the son of God! The sin is rejecting Jesus as Lord and Savior.

I responded where is it?

Are Catholics distorted the Bible?

"I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare....while I was still searching but not finding, I found one upright man among a thousand but not one upright woman among them all"

(Ecclesiastes 7:26-28).

"No wickedness comes anywhere near the wickedness of a woman.....Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die"

(Ecclesiasticus 25:19,24).




This is proof that men are better than women in Christianity



"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10).


St. Paul's rationale for veiling women is that the veil represents a sign of the authority of the man, who is the image and glory of God, over the woman who was created from and for man. St. Tertullian in his famous treatise 'On The Veiling Of Virgins' wrote, "Young women, you wear your veils out on the streets, so you should wear them in the church, you wear them when you are among strangers, then wear them among your brothers..." Among the Canon laws of the Catholic church today, there is a law that requires women to cover their heads in church. Some Christian


denominations, such as the Amish and the Mennonites for example, keep their women veiled to the present day. The reason for the veil, as offered by their Church leaders, is that "The head covering is a symbol of woman's subjection to the man and to God", which is the same logic introduced by St. Paul in the New Testament.


The Quran is quite clear that the veil is essential for modesty, but why is modesty important? The Quran is still clear:


"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested" (Quran 33:59).


This is the whole point, modesty is prescribed to protect women from molestation or simply, modesty is protection. Thus, the only purpose of the veil in Islam is protection.

We're talking about sin and women in Christianity, you did not respect the terms of the dialogue

Must complete the theme of sin and of women in Islam and Christianity

NO, it is by their tradition that make the laws of God to no affect; Just like I see in Islam. I can almost see Catholicism and Islam as two peas in a pod. The only saving grace about Catholicism I can see is that they accept Jesus as their Savior most of all other things they teach are truth mixed with deception and idolatry. No, one can distort God's message. Jesus is God's message.


This is talking about the adulterous woman or a woman living in sin and not all women. The Scriptures says he that finds a wife finds a good thing. Paul said their is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus.

Where did you get this verse? There is no such verse that I can find.


This is proof that men are better than women in Christianity

"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10).


St. Paul's rationale for veiling women is that the veil represents a sign of the authority of the man, who is the image and glory of God, over the woman who was created from and for man..[/QUOTE]God set the family up that way it doesn't mean man is better than woman. There is neither male nor female in Christ. It is just God's chain of authority. The parents are over the children; does that mean they are better then their children? No, of course not. It is just like Jesus was subordinate to the father (God) by office, position, function, but they were and are equal in nature, essence and character.
A woman can be modest without going overboard.
Tertullian is not an authority figure true Christians recognize. Mennonites have their interpretation of the Bible like Muslims have theirs of Muhammad's Quran. You have Sunni, Shia and the Quranist that don't see eye to eye. Deal with that then bring up varying sects of Christianity.

Blessings to you sister and thanks for sharing your point of view.

I am respecting the terms you set, but it seems, now, you are attempting to tie my hands so that you could hit me with all kinds of things to defend against your misconceptions of Christianity while you claim immunity for yourself and your religion. It doesn't work that way. Not even in a boxing ring do they tie the hands of one against the other. You are questioning me about the treatment of women in Christianity, and I answer and raise questions about the treatment of women in Islam. That is respecting the terms you set you are changing the terms the way Allah changes verses in the Quran with one like it or one better only your new terms are not better. Why are you doing that? Why does it take you so long to respond, and why can't I post directly like you? Why the handicap for Christians on this forum? We are not breaking forum rules. Please answer? Is it fear?

Peace and blessings to you.
BL

Are you from the Orthodox community


Are women the cause of sin or the man?

You shy away from the logical explanation

Do you want to believe that women like men in Christianity
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Bible humiliates women

You did not defend Christianity. Never

, you are constantly evading logical answer

Your response to my questions, proves:

Women should not have authority over men but should remain silent.


Adam and Eve were not equal in sin. Adam was not deceived but Eve was.


Women are commanded to be under obedience to men. God ordained that men shall for all time rule over women

Catholic offend women


We are Arabs, we are surprised by the responses you compile time

It is true that the Quran has instructed the believers dealing in financial transactions to get two male witnesses or one male and two females



O you who have believed, when you contract a debt for a specified term, write it down. And let a scribe write [it] between you in justice. Let no scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him. So let him write and let the one who has the obligation dictate. And let him fear Allah , his Lord, and not leave anything out of it. But if the one who has the obligation is of limited understanding or weak or unable to dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For [then] there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is [grave] disobedience in you. And fear Allah . And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things.

(Quran 2:282).

However, it is also true that the Quran in other situations accepts the testimony of a woman as equal to that of a man. In fact the woman's testimony can even invalidate the man's. If a man accuses his wife of unchastity, he is required by the Quran to solemnly swear five times as evidence of the wife's guilt. If the wife denies and swears similarly five times, she is not considered guilty and in either case the marriage is dissolved

And those who accuse their wives [of adultery] and have no witnesses except themselves - then the witness of one of them [shall be] four testimonies [swearing] by Allah that indeed, he is of the truthful.

And the fifth [oath will be] that the curse of Allah be upon him if he should be among the liars.
But it will prevent punishment from her if she gives four testimonies [swearing] by Allah that indeed, he is of the liars.
And the fifth [oath will be] that the wrath of Allah be upon her if he was of the truthful
And if not for the favor of Allah upon you and His mercy... and because Allah is Accepting of repentance and Wise.
Indeed, those who came with falsehood are a group among you. Do not think it bad for you; rather it is good for you. For every person among them is what [punishment] he has earned from the sin, and he who took upon himself the greater portion thereof - for him is a great punishment.




(Quran 24:6-11).

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What about the Christian Law

If a man accuses his wife of unchastity, her testimony will not be considered at all according to the Bible. The accused wife has to be subjected to a trial by ordeal. In this trial, the wife faces a complex and humiliating ritual which was supposed to prove her guilt or innocence (Num. 5:11-31) . If she is found guilty after this ordeal, she will be sentenced to death. If she is found not guilty, her husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing.


Besides, if a man takes a woman as a wife and then accuses her of not being a virgin, her own testimony will not count. Her parents had to bring evidence of her virginity before the elders of the town. If the parents could not prove the innocence of their daughter, she would be stoned to death on

Maybe you could explain this to us, because Allah claims to have sent down the torah, LOL. Why would Allah say such a thing or why would man want to corrupt the torah to make it say such a thing???

The burden of proof is on you. If you cannot prove innocence in your statement, what will Allah do to you since he sent this information down supposedly, and he is willing to stone a falsely accused virgin if the father cannot proof her innocence. If we have a problem with this verse then so do you. So what is your point in quoting it? We stand on equal footing here.

Peace

All the men of the church are corrupt?

All men of the church are corrupt? Where do you get this information? God only has one body of believers either you are His or you're not. Those that are His, are the true church, and God deals with them as His children. There are different church names of where people get together in the name of Christ that are called this or that church, but they part of the larger body of Christ the church. There is really only one true church, and it is not the Catholic Church. Jesus in Revelation points out things that are wrong with the different churches and tells them to repent or He will come and bring judgment on them. God punishes those He loves, because He deals with us as His children. Look at Rev. 2
When will I be able to post directly like you?
Peace

Christian clergy are corrupt, according to your posts

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Women and inheritance in Islam and Christianity


Numbers 27

8 "Say to the Israelites, 'If a man dies and leaves no son, turn his inheritance over to his daughter.
9 If he has no daughter, give his inheritance to his brothers.
10 If he has no brothers, give his inheritance to his father's brothers.
11 If his father had no brothers, give his inheritance to the nearest relative in his clan, that he may possess it. This is to be a legal requirement for the Israelites, as the LORD commanded Moses.' "


Deuteronomy 21


15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love,
16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.
17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father's strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.