It is only unclear to yourselves... Seeing as you have no interest in the Bible I fail to see why it bothers you so much. For sure it is not only muslims who make it their life work to criticise and attempt to find fault with the Bible, however I would not go as far as to call them Christians :) at least not of much faith, if they had faith.. Then they would also have trust in God.. If they had trust then they would not feel the need to doubt Gods word. Seems obvious to me.

I don't feel I exaggerate when I say some muslims do more harm to Islam than any non Muslim could ever do. When I read some of the quite hateful things said about non muslims I wonder if they ever do read what prophet Mohammed said in regards to other religions. Or maybe I have misunderstood, when I believed Prophet Mohammed showed tolerance to non muslims... I did not think I did but it is possible. For this seeming bad opinion and intolerance towards non muslims does not seem to be a product of either Mohammed or Islam.. Or am I again misinformed in this matter. So, for this I do not blame Islam or your prophet... But muslims themselves are responsible and you should maybe wonder where such feelings come from, because I don't see from where this division stems from.

peace

When one knows how Christianity is formed, when one knows how this book is arranged, when one realizes how this book is written (for example hundreds of years after Jesus), when one only realizes that there were Nicea once upon a time, when one reads about the early history of Christianity,when one looks for (Trnityt decree) in Bible, when the differences and contradictions between the Old and New Testaments, ..... and the list goes on...

these are not (attempt to find fault with the Bible), these are rather simple questions every body ask about anything. But the problem here is (the answer) rather than anything else.

Still this is not an excuse to blame Islam or run away from Islam. You look for a religion not a person. You look for Islam and want to know what is Islam not the persons and individuals. we are all humans not Prophets neither Angles.
No, you are not misunderstood, never.
Islam is about high morals, smile to the face of your friend, to help your neighbour what ever he is.. and so on. You can learn about Islam from the original source not from followers and individuals. We do not like to harm Islam and we do care about this, and we are sad when we represent a bad Muslim because we know there are who judges our peaceful religion through our behaviors, and this is not logic neither right, and this judgment is unfair.
Still this is not an excuse to blame Islam or run away from Islam. You look for a religion not a person. You look for Islam and want to know what is Islam not the persons and individuals. we are all humans not Prophets neither Angles.
No, you are not misunderstood, never.
Islam is about high morals, smile to the face of your friend, to help your neighbour what ever he is.. and so on. You can learn about Islam from the original source not from followers and individuals. We do not like to harm Islam and we do care about this, and we are sad when we represent a bad Muslim because we know there are who judges our peaceful religion through our behaviors, and this is not logic neither right, and this judgment is unfair.




Still this is not an excuse to blame Islam or run away from Islam. You look for a religion not a person. You look for Islam and want to know what is Islam not the persons and individuals. we are all humans not Prophets neither Angles.
No, you are not misunderstood, never.
Islam is about high morals, smile to the face of your friend, to help your neighbour what ever he is.. and so on. You can learn about Islam from the original source not from followers and individuals. We do not like to harm Islam and we do care about this, and we are sad when we represent a bad Muslim because we know there are who judges our peaceful religion through our behaviors, and this is not logic neither right, and this judgment is unfair.
There are quite a a lot articles on internet tell you about our dear Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) and Islam, Quran verses and hadiths help you to know more about morals and behaviors, and how Muslims is encouraged to do good and say good and refrain from harming others. It seems to me you know about this because you refer to our Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) once more.
We Muslims have more and more orders and instructions concerning social relationships starting from family, neighbours, friends, even our dear Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) taught us how to behave on roads and pavements. I can tell that there are not such thorough morals and ethics in Christianity.

No, you are not misunderstood neither misinformed. Our dear Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) in deed showed tolerance to Non Muslims.

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Still this is not an excuse to blame Islam or run away from Islam. You look for a religion not a person. You look for Islam and want to know what is Islam not the persons and individuals. we are all humans not Prophets neither Angles.
No, you are not misunderstood, never.
Islam is about high morals, smile to the face of your friend, to help your neighbour what ever he is.. and so on. You can learn about Islam from the original source not from followers and individuals. We do not like to harm Islam and we do care about this, and we are sad when we represent a bad Muslim because we know there are who judges our peaceful religion through our behaviors, and this is not logic neither right, and this judgment is unfair.
There are quite a a lot articles on internet tell you about our dear Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) and Islam, Quran verses and hadiths help you to know more about morals and behaviors, and how Muslims is encouraged to do good and say good and refrain from harming others. It seems to me you know about this because you refer to our Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) once more.
We Muslims have more and more orders and instructions concerning social relationships starting from family, neighbours, friends, even our dear Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) taught us how to behave on roads and pavements. I can tell that there are not such thorough morals and ethics in Christianity.

No, you are not misunderstood neither misinformed. Our dear Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) in deed showed tolerance to Non Muslims.[/QUOTE]

I do not blame Islam for the actions of some muslims.. where did you get that impression? This I feel also should go both ways and muslims should not judge Christianity by the actions of the least admirable of "Christians"... For sure I know of some who think of themselves as Christians and are very far from Christ :( sad but true. Yet they are a minority. Also it seems to me muslims sometimes judge the immoral actions of the west as stemming from Christians, whereas theses actions are usually by people with no faith at all. We are all guilty of making unfair judgements... When in fact it is not our place to do so.

I do not see this plethora of orders and instructions that rule your every hour as a necessity when it comes to the worship of God. When you say your Prophet taught you how to behave on roads etc... Is this a requirement from the Quran or is it sunnah? If the latter then does this impinge on worship of God? Does God really mind that you eat with a particular hand or do certain things a certain way etc? How hard is it to intrinsically understand that good behaviour towards others is pleasing to God? Maybe Christians see the Holy Spirit guides in this way. It seems sometimes that God gives us our freedoms yet Islam takes them away and replaces them with rules that it's hard to see what they have to do with a Holy God. Apologies if my words seem harsh, I do not mean them to be.

Peace upon you.

Please, do not change the direction of the thread to another subject, and a subject irrelevant to the main subject.

Anyway it is not plethora, and it really hurts me to hear this from you referring our Quran and Sunnah, meanwhile you have more than 66 books in your bible and a bunch of contradictions and "shocking" facts that raise profound questions about your book's being genuine.

Anyway, I can see that you do not know very much about islam and Quran and Sunna and what is going on there. It is arranged and tidy, it is simple to learn and to follow. There are laws and rules arranging everything. There are experts in this field. there are Quranic verses guides us to this and shows us how to behave concerning Quran and Sunnah. It is a very detailed subject and need a special thread rather than a post.


Allah Almight says in Quran:
In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful
Say, "If the sea were ink for [writing] the words of my Lord, the sea would be exhausted before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even if We brought the like of it as a supplement." (109) Al Kahf

Yes if Allah Almighty had mentioned everything in Quran, we would have had a huge book, and then you Non-Muslms, I am sure, have had a lot of questions.
Now You're Just Contradicting Yourself and always have two sets of rules, you the Non Muslims. If there were no guides and instructions in Islam, you would have asked why there is not any? and when we have you say "plethora" and ask questions about. Quran ans Islam is not according to your desire neither mine, it is Allah's revelation to our Prophet.

Not like your Bible, we cant put in it what we like and leave out what we do not.

Peace upon you

please accept my sincere apology for any hurt caused it was not my intention. As I expect you also do not wish to hurt me when you make your claims in regards to the Bible, yet, it is often painful to read what muslims say about Gods message.. The Bible, and that's what it is to me .. Gods divine message.. I do not see through your eyes contradictions and "shocking" facts and for me there are no doubts that the Bible is a Holy Book if not in your mind then most definitely in mine and billions of other Christians.

I do not claim to understand the details in the Quran or Sunnah. I am not a Muslim and do not know any Islamic scholars to assist me with my reading and interpretation of the Quran. It it does not appear arranged or tidy to my mind but then I am used to the Bible which gives more detail... At least to my mind.. And I guess we learn the same lessons from each of our respective Books in different ways.

Its immaterial how many rules you have or don't have, what I don't understand is how some of the rules have anything to do with a persons spiritual well being or making oneself right with God. Just as you believe the Quran is Gods revelation I believe the Holy Bible is also Gods divine message to His people. I am greatly offended that you think we regard it so lightly that we can put in what we like and leave out what we we do not. It's very arrogant of you to believe that others do not hold their scriptures in the highest esteem as you hold your own.

Peace to you.

We, Muslims, really do not like causing offences and we just can't stand hurting others, it is one of our principles for arguing with anyone. According to myself when I raise questions about your Bible, those questions are asked even by Christians themselves bout your Bible and its early history...etc. I know those questions are profound and are touching the core of your believe.
Please accept our sincere apology for any hurt caused we do not mean it.

Peace be upon you.

Thank you. May God bless you.