The biblical prophets prepared the way for the promised Messiah. We all know there is only One God and as Jews and Christians had been worshipping the same ONE God, I'm not sure why Islam felt the need to reinforce a belief that was already known and practiced.

In regards to the trinity, which trying to explain it to a Muslim is a pointless exercise, so let's not bother. :) the trinity is a concept in the way tawheed is a concept, the word is not found in the Bible as the word tawheed is not found in the Quran. However the concept for both can be found throughout the respective books. Where you choose your Bible verses that you believe prove the "oneness" of God I could just as easily choose verses that point to the triune concept of God. To what aim?

The he sticking point for Christians and Jews with Islam, is not the concept of One God, because we already accept that, it is the acceptance of Mohammed as prophet and the final messenger to all mankind. Mohammed does not fit the Jews requirement for their Messiah, who they still wait for. Christians do not accept Mohammed because Jesus said with Him it was finished, and so were not expecting anyone else. Jesus is all we need.

peace.

Pandora you say :

"Mohammed does not fit the Jews requirement for their Messiah"

Be fair and ask yourself :

Does Jesus fit the Jews requirement for their Messiah?

Of course the answer is "No".

So, we can say the same to you:


Jesus does not fit the Jews requirement for their Messiah.

Of course the Jews still await their Messiah because they refused to believe Jesus was He. Except for those Jews who did believe the message... They became Christians, that is followers of Christ. Yet the time has past and still they wait. But still do not accept Mohammed as final prophet.

} قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ تَعَالَوْا إِلَى كَلِمَةٍ سَوَاءٍ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَلاَّ نَعْبُدَ إِلاَّ اللَّهَ
وَلا نُشْرِكَ بِهِ شَيْئاً وَلا يَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُنَا بَعْضاً أَرْبَاباً مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ فَإِنْ تَوَلَّوْا فَقُولُوا اشْهَدُوا بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ{ (64 آل عمران)
Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah ." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."
Islam was invited to Pure monotheism
which doesn't have Entrapped in God Never
That is why God sent prophets ، To remove people from the worship of the people to worship the Lord of the people ، Alone is not a partner
And Pure monotheism can't be achieved Without deny And assertion: deny all things that are worshipped instead of Allah and assertion that all kinds of worship are for Allah alone
فقال الله عز وجل }فَاعْلَمْ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ{ (19 محمد)
So know, [O Muhammad], that there is no deity except Allah
وقال رسوله (حَقّ الله عَلَى الْعِبَادِ أَنْ يَعْبُدُوهُ وَلاَ يُشْرِكُوا بِهِ شَيْئا)
Allah's Right upon His slaves is that they should worship Him Alone and associate nothing with Him
Isn't enough to assertion worshipped to god (Allah)
But necessary deny any partner from God

And keeps the PARTNER‏ PARTNER‏ Even if different shape
The Slaughter and the Prayer and the Fasting (worship) to Anything beside God ،،،،،The belief that God solution in creatures ،،،،، the Ideas Contrary to the mind Like saying that
God had a human son whom He sacrificed to atone for the sins of humanity ، Making God similar or peer ، Seek forgiveness and repentance from any things beside God
}اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَهًا وَاحِدًا لا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ{(31التوبة)
They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

This was never true, of mainstream Christian belief. This may only be applied to some of the heretical Christian sects that inhabited Arabia during the 6th century. God the all knowing would know the truth of this matter.... It is you who have misunderstood.

yes, we were commanded to worship the One True God, the Bible is clear on this and Jesus made it clear as to how we should offer that worship. Hence why Christians worship God.. YHWH... The one and only God that all the biblical prophets worshipped.

Peace.

This part of you post remembers me of the dark beginning of Christianity after the Nicea, when the Constantin army was killing the true original monotheistic Christians in middle east and all others who did not recognize his new invented doctrines.

This is the Non Muslims' habit, all have double standard, this is how you want to raise questions, you all share a "double standard" in your posts, what is Ok for you is anot available for others, end this way of arguing sometimes it becomes pretty annoying . Why Jews' not believing in your Massiah is ok and you still believe in him and nobody can deny or cretisize? even you make him son of god and one of the hypostatic persons (or one of the contains) and give him more high "ranks". But you and Jews do not believe in our Prophet Muhammad (Allah's peace and blessing be upon him) it is the end of the story and everything in his religion is questionable and you refuse Islam. If Jews opinion in your Jesus is not so important and he is the Massiah whatever is there, You SHOULD say the same thing about our Prophet and his religion Islam. But you cant, because this is how you are.
Very strange, you approve Jews and then immediately disapprove them !!


How ever your double standard posts are nothing more than escaping from the true religion and you do your best to abolish it, that is why your opinion never counts.

I am not sure I get the full meaning of your post. Do you question why it is easier for a Christian to accept Judaism.. (Even though they reject Jesus) but have a problem accepting Islam and Mohammed? And you see this as double standard?

I can can only answer for myself here and would not deign to speak for others. I also do not wish to cause offence to your good self, but if I am to be honest, then you may not like my words.. But then as you say my opinion does not count for anything anyway, and whilst I am mindful to not cause offence to you in criticism of Islam I see this is not a two way thing and you are free to denigrate Christianity and abuse and insult Christians without fear of censure. Is this a reflection of Islam? I don't know.. But I hope it is not.

Christianity shares a common root with Judaism, Christians use the Old Testament and accept it as an important part of their scripture. We accept it as it is without the modification or changes because we see the importance of the message through all the prophets bringing the truth of the One True God...whom we know as YHWH.. Where we diverge is the matter of the messiah... And that being Jesus.. As we know the Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah.. And even though the time is long past where they could have expected their promised messiah... They still wait. Christians accept the Bible both old and new testaments give us an historical account and an unfolding of Gods plan for mankind's salvation from beginning to end. We see, as Jesus said, this ended with Him. So .. For Christians who take Gods Word.. Jesus.. As truth we believe what He said, on that basis we are not expecting any other.

Islam I do not see brings the same message, which if it is a final revelation confirming what went before...which it claims to do.. Then I would expect it to bring the same message. It does not. It differs on major points on how it sees certain prophets.. Even changing the accepted accounts we have in some cases, these changes often make the original meaning of the lesson we were to learn becomes lost. The biggest problem is Jesus... Islam accepts His miraculous birth but offers no reason why it was necessary, it claims Jesus as one of the greatest of prophets..yet shows no understanding of the man or His mission. It denies the crucifixion ever took place.. Yet offers no acceptable alternative view, we have God made someone appear as Jesus.. And was crucified in His place..but then that begs the question of why would God need to make a substitute? If Jesus was required because He was the sinless lamb of God.. Then a substitute would not do at all... Then we have the swoon theory.. That Jesus was brought off the cross and revived and then.... Well nothing!!! Worst of all.. You put forward the blasphemous idea of God actually having a biological son!!! A belief the Bible never put forward, and one Christians do not hold to. Yet.. This fact is said as an admonishment to Christians.

You seek to find Mohammed mentioned in the previous scriptures at the same time making claims that these very scriptures have been corrupted my men and see nothing incongruous in this.. And you accuse me of double standards!!! The Quran claims the previous scriptures are from God, it also says none can change Gods word.... Yet then muslims decide that yes men can change Gods word and in fact did so with the Bible. You do not see again the problem this brings forth.. That if God is not capable of protecting His message from change by His creation then what guarantee can you have that the Quran is safe from change by man.

You quibble about weather or not words like the trinity are in the Bible or not, take to task about minor textual changes in translations... none of which change the core message. That we do not understand what Jesus taught, when there is hardly anything of substance about Jesus to base this claim on in the Quran. Except for the fact Jesus taught the One True God.. The Jews and the Christians already had taken this message to heart so I do not see what Mohammed brought that was new.

I have no choice in this matter, my heart tells me Jesus was who He said He was, Jesus was never a liar. he said "no one reaches the Father except through Him.. He is the Way, the Truth and the Light" I am not prepared to gamble with my eternal soul unless God Himself through His Holy Spirit...( which was never Gabriel btw) guides me. I hope you are not offended by my words spoken in truth and honesty of my feelings. You asked... I answered.

Peace and Gods blessings to you.

You wrote a long post repeating what you wrote and asked, I and my friends answered you in detail. But as i said you Christians quibble, and refuse to accept what we wrote before trying to comprehend it.




Let me say:
What do you want from Islam to be? To have four or five gods and sons and spirits? To be just like Christianity, and what was invented in Nicea. Yes we believe in one God, sorry we did not have a Constantine to introduce us with a Bible, containing Tanakh (OT) and NT, and to believe in what we like and refuse the others. Sometimes you say you fulfill Tanakh and sometimes you abolish it. Where was hell in OT? Is it fulfillment or abolish? Why Christians eat pig? Is it fulfillment or abolish?
Or personnel choice.

With my respects to you, please never feel like offended.


Our Holy Quran told us this before you. Do not bother yourself.


Yes Pandora we still believe in this. Allah Almighty wanted and decided to have this verses remain to be a witness till doomsday. A witness that men changed and mistranslated Allah's books but some verses stand still. The light from Paran is the same we have in Holy Quran and Holy Quran mentions that "it is written in Bible and Torah", the Bible writers forget to forge this.


Please, and re-read my comment to know what I said this.

Islam provides logic reasons to the miraculous birth, and we pointed at it, and we Muslims have to respect this and look at this issue and miraculous. It seems to me that your information about Jesus in Quran and Islam is very little, the same to the Prophets in Islam, though in my previous posts I clarified this to you.



I will give you a piece of information. And if you want to avoid making such mistakes in future. It is misunderstanding rather than anything else.
Look Pandora..
When you read Quran and quote from Quran you have to give the meaning that meant in Quran. We have verses, like hijab verses, marriage verses, inheritance verses, jihad verses, medical verses, geographical verses. Many Non-Muslims (deliberate or not) stick to just one verse and leave the others out. If you want to fully understand what you want you have to know the full meaning of a verse.
The same thing is true concerning your “Quran claims, God is not capable of protecting, none can change Gods word” and such kind of contradictions that never exist in Quran. You have to look back at the verses to give you the answers.



Allah know the best.

The same to you

I want it to feel like the truth.

Explain to me please how the "Bible forgers" forgot to forge the very few verses muslims choose to claim for Mohammed? Seeing as the Bible canon was decided many years before the Birth of Mohammed, what we had before Mohammed was the same as what we had during the lifetime of your prophet and is what we have still. How did they know to "forge" something that they never had reason to believe would ever happen 600 years in the future? What makes you think that the biblical scribes cared so little for what they saw as the sacred words of God? I understand your desperation in trying to find the references you believe must be there because of this claim you have in the Quran. However, you understand the importance of seeing verses in context, for sure you do... For you have just accused me of doing the same with the Quran !! I am not Muslim and do not have the benefit of an Islamic scholar to call on, so I may not understand the context as you do when it comes to the Quran. The same can be said for you when it comes to the Bible... You see a few words.. Make a connection to your prophet and interpret it to mean what you wish it to mean. Taking the verse in historical context then goes out of the window, and we end up with embarrassing situations like muslims claiming Mohammed was mentioned by name in "Song of Solomon" and other unlikely places.

Peace

Please where are these logical reasons to the miraculous birth? There is very little of substance of Jesus in the Quran. Some stories from the Gnostics that were penned hundreds of years after the death and resurrection of Jesus. I cannot form relationship with Isa in the Quran as I can with Jesus as he shows Himself to be in the Bible. I can't see that the issue of sin is dealt with concisely in the Quran.... And I have tried, I truly have... Because if something comes along and says it is to replace my scriptures that I hold as divine from God... And for the good of my eternal soul I should throw away all I believe an accept this new message... Then I have to give that something my due care and attention.


Does this go both ways? Does this mean you have to apply the same rules in regards to Bible verses? Maybe you should read what I said... I did not say the Quran claims God is not capable of protecting His word.. I said muslims believe this, I don't know where or when you came by this belief. But if the Quran claims to confirm what went before, then it must be confirming something it believes to be Gods words, the alternative is untenable... It would mean the Quran confirms nothing but lies and corruption.. This I do not believe is possible. The Quran does claim.. Does it not? That none can change Gods word... Or have I misunderstood that also? I read the Quran as I read the Bible, I assumed it was a message easily understood...may hap I was wrong in this assumption. Then I have to ask, why should Gods message be so difficult to understand just by reading the Quran?

God does indeed know best... I continue to put my faith in Him alone.

Peace.