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  • #16
    Look Pandora our Holy Quran says:

    In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.
    Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing. (40) Al Ahzab

    In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.
    And your Lord is most knowing of whoever is in the heavens and the earth. And We have made some of the prophets exceed others [in various ways], and to David We gave the book [of Psalms]. (55) Al Isra


    If you ask about "covenant" you can consult this book " by John Andrew Morrow.

    And for Prophets and comparing Muhammad to Jesus and Moses (Allah bless them all), Allah dignified and honored our Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessing and peace be upon him) in many ways, and even his nation (Muslims) have many significant and important honors because of him. we can count more than 90 honoring and tributes to us from Allah that other nations (in the doomsday) envy us. Our Prophet is the prophets, Allah aided him to conquer the infidals, Allah will widespread his religion, millions of Muslims (ask [Allah to confer] blessing upon him and ask [Allah to grant him] peace), Allah honored him with victories and Holy Quran and the AlKursi verse (Which Moses wanted it)........

    Peace to you...

    One very important similarity between Moses and Jesus was that they each mediated a covenant.

    . Jesus spoke with God directly, Jesus is Gods word. Mohammed did not receive his revelation from God but through a spirit, believed to be Angel Gabriel. Jesus spoke with God face to face, Jesus showed he had existed with God the father from eternity. Moses also spoke with God face to face. Mohammed did not. Jesus performed miracles, as did Moses, the Quran does not record Mohammed performing any miracles and Mohammed himself denied he was given powers to perform miracles.
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "

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    • #17
      I can respect your posts (which reflect your belief) in-spite of being far from ours.

      Any way when you say:
      the Quran does not record Mohammed performing any miracles and Mohammed himself denied he was given powers to perform miracles.
      Our Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessing and peace be upon him) had many miracles and mentioned in Quran and hadiths. I do not know where "Mohammed himself denied he was given powers to perform miracles"?

      1- Holy Quran is his miracle and still there are miracles are hidden between the verses of this holy book who enemies admire before friends.
      2- The event of moon split:

      In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful
      The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two]. (1) AlQamar

      3-Mentioning his victories in holy Quran, Allah's promise to him to widespread his religion.
      4-Muhammad (Allah's peace and blessing be upon him) knows many secrets and events.

      Of course those happened by Allah's permission, the same to Jesus when Allah refers to his miracles in our Quran:

      In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.
      And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. (49)Al Umran


      In addition to many other miracles in Quran and hadiths.

      Peace to you
      بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
      قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
      Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "

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      • #18
        I accept it is wildly held belief that the Quran itself is considered a miracle attributed to Mohammed, although I have trouble viewing it as such because it seems to lack a supernatural element. It is held to be a word from God or Allah if you will and contains no untruths or discrepancy... Did Mohammed not claim when asked if he would perform a miracle as proof to pagan unbelievers that he was simply a messenger?

        Say: "Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man,- a messenger?"
        Qur'an 17:93

        Was splitting the moon attributed to Mohammed in the Quran itself? As I understand the Hadith are not of divine nature as per the Quran, and there are thousands to go through some of which are more reliable and authentic than others. You chose out of the hadiths, I imagine you have a criteria to work to, about what is correct. It seems to me that by accepting hadiths about miracles attributed to Mohammed go against what Mohammed claimed about himself. How many of these Hadith had Mohammed ever read for himself to know what was said about him?

        I don't know that you have many miracles of Jesus in the Quran, the Bible obviously has a great many, except the clay birds, which could never be attributed to Jesus as it lacked provenance and is to be found in a gnostic "the infant gospel of Thomas" I believe it is. It's strange that it's in the Quran because as miracles go it has no lesson to teach and I would think by its nature raises problems for muslims.

        It's like this, you have your Holy Book and your religion and I have mine, they differ on certain points and yet the one thing and for me the most important is they have the same One True God at their core. You know God as Allah I know as YHWH.. One and the same. If you do not believe we worship the same God then we really do not have any else to talk about. I see God has decided how we shall understand Him, our path is chosen for us. Everything else is window dressing.

        Peace to you.

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        • #19
          If you ask about "covenant" you can consult this book " by John Andrew Morrow.
          you misunderstand me. This book is address the covenants Mohammed made with Christians. I was referring of any covenant God made with Mohammed such as the covenants God made with man in the Bible. The mention of covenants in the Quran that I can find refer to the Old covenants made with Biblical Prophets. That is why I assumed that muslims see themselves under the Abrahamic Covenant.

          peace.

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          • #20
            Look Pandora we can say the same thing about your Bible:
            trinity is never mentioned in your Bible, neither the original sin and the list goes on.
            At leas in Quran we have medical, economical...etc miracles that nowadays science proves them. The problem here is that: Christians refuse this truth before trying to comprehend it.

            I can say the same thing about your Bible: It lacks clear and obvious texts regarding Trinity. You see it this way that it contains (trinity) (atonement) which in fact they are not there.
            Apart from the fact that your Bible is misinterpreted and distorted you have no right to ask Quran to be just like it, because it is a fact that every Divine religion has its own doctrines and way of worshiping Allah (God), simply it is not our way it is Allah's way and desire. Praying in Islam is different from yours and different from the Jews, the same thing your fasting is different from ours and theirs. But I wish this fact does not lead you to reject another divine religion like Islam which Allah the Almighty protected through all these centuries (more than 1400years), at the same time you have more than one copy of Bible and from time to time we hear that another manuscript is discovered. Even each of your theologians differ in giving exact and united explanation to Trinity (which is Christianity’s backbone), but in Islam we all agree upon our main and core believes but may be differ in the minor cases, and the difference is not of great deal and does not effect our main believes.
            Your Bible is never trustworthy, it is written a couple of hundred years after Jesus, all of us know that those who wrote Bible never saw Jesus in their lives for one time. The case we have with our hadiths, some are weak, some are fabricated……. and so on. But we Muslims have a belief that even the hadiths are from divine because we have in Quran:

            Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. (3) It is not but a revelation revealed, (4) Al Najm
            Yes that is true, if not how our Prophet (Allah’s peace and blessing be upon him) knew that black cumin is good for health? And so many other hadiths.

            Sometimes you should know some background of a speech or a phrase you put. Like talking about hadiths, because when you repeat what you listen or write from your Christian point of view it appears an "odd" thing to you, and that does not help you.

            So if you argue Islam from a neutral view and as we introduce it to you, you’ll find the truth that we are right, but it seems you always read the articles from you Christianity point of view, that whatever proofs we put in your hands you will find it still not enough and not satisfactory and say “there is still something wrong”.
            It rather raises problems to others rather than Muslims. We have scientifically proven facts in Quran. And our Prophet is not without miracles and it is not an ordinary believe we have proofs to this. May be at the time of Jesus people believed in miracles and supernatural elements, the same thing to Moses, and at the time of our Quran the using of wonderful, impressive magnificent language was common, that is why many wonder about the language of Quran which is a miracle itself. Even geographical and medical fact are expressed in such a way.
            بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
            قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
            Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "

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            • #21
              And here Quran before more than 1400 years prepared answer:


              And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe. (109) Al Anham



              Peace to you


              although I have trouble viewing it as such because it seems to lack a supernatural element. It is held to be a word from God or Allah if you will and contains no untruths or discrepancy

              Was splitting the moon attributed to Mohammed in the Quran itself? As I understand the Hadith are not of divine nature as per the Quran, and there are thousands to go through some of which are more reliable and authentic than others. You chose out of the hadiths, I imagine you have a criteria to work to, about what is correct. It seems to me that by accepting hadiths about miracles attributed to Mohammed go against what Mohammed claimed about himself. How many of these Hadith had Mohammed ever read for himself to know what was said about him?

              Did Mohammed not claim when asked if he would perform a miracle as proof to pagan unbelievers that he was simply a messenger?
              بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
              قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
              Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "

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              • #22
                And here Quran before more than 1400 years prepared answer: And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe. (109) Al Anham Peace to you
                although I have trouble viewing it as such because it seems to lack a supernatural element. It is held to be a word from God or Allah if you will and contains no untruths or discrepancy Was splitting the moon attributed to Mohammed in the Quran itself? As I understand the Hadith are not of divine nature as per the Quran, and there are thousands to go through some of which are more reliable and authentic than others. You chose out of the hadiths, I imagine you have a criteria to work to, about what is correct. It seems to me that by accepting hadiths about miracles attributed to Mohammed go against what Mohammed claimed about himself. How many of these Hadith had Mohammed ever read for himself to know what was said about him? Did Mohammed not claim when asked if he would perform a miracle as proof to pagan unbelievers that he was simply a messenger?
                بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
                قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
                Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "

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                • #23
                  Moses was the mediator of the Old Covenant (Testament)
                  But you do not follow what is written in the Old Testament?
                  بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
                  قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
                  Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "

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                  • #24
                    When Jesus came, the old laws were no longer in use since new rules were invented... I think when you mention covenant of Mose and Jesus we should referre to what is going on between these two Testaments. Ido not know why you still adopt the idea of the Ten commandments? Christians eat pigs at the same time! and some other rules and laws discarded?



                    One very important similarity between Moses and Jesus was that they each mediated a covenant. Moses was the mediator of the Old Covenant (Testament), Christ of the New Covenant, or Testament.
                    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
                    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
                    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "

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                    • #25
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                      When Jesus came, the old laws were no longer in use since new rules were invented... I think when you mention covenant of Mose and Jesus we should referre to what is going on between these two Testaments. Ido not know why you still adopt the idea of the Ten commandments? Christians eat pigs at the same time! and some other rules and laws discarded?
                      There were a great many covenants made by God with man, some conditional some unconditional. I guess you could say there are seven considered to be the most important ones. Covenants were made for different circumstances. The covenant of Moses was one of Law, and yes the Ten Commandments were part of it. Jesus fulfilled the Law... Not invent new rules... Jesus gave us two commandments to live by under the new covenant of Grace that we accept through Him, they are :-

                      Matthew 22:37-40, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

                      these see two commandments encompass all the ten that Moses brought.. Because if you love God with all your heart and soul you will only wish to please Him.. So stealing, killing, coveting, adultery etc it goes without saying you will keep away from such sins because by doing so you are pleasing and loving God. Same goes for loving ones neighbour. The dietary laws were for the Jewish people the Gentiles were not under these laws. It's said that nothing that goes into your body (that you eat) that God has provided is harmful to you the bad in a person is to be found from within that person. However, many Christians do not eat pork, myself included, well actually I'm a vegetarian, but if I wasn't I wouldn't eat pork anyway. But that is a personal choice.

                      The reason why I assumed muslims adhere to the Old Testament covenant.. I'm thinking the Abrahamic one is because you do not eat pork and have similar dietary laws, like the Jews, and also circumcise, like the Jews. So, you didn't answer the question... What covenant did God make with Mohammed for the muslims?

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                      • #26
                        Jesus was also circumcised. So what do you follow, your church laws, old Testament, the New Testament or Jesus?
                        Yes but you do not eat fat and blood ? but still eat pig and shellfish! Eating pig is not prohibited in Christianity, some do it or some refuse to do it depends on either he refused Old Testament or obeys it. This is know for Christians follow what they like and refuse what they do not like and make weak unreasonable excuses so that they can save themselves. The main problem here is New Testament is empty of rules and laws, specially inheritance, worships, and daily life etc , in-spite of that personnel choices and desires have the priority to decide.



                        There were a great many covenants made by God with man, some conditional some unconditional. I guess you could say there are seven considered to be the most important ones. Covenants were made for different circumstances. The covenant of Moses was one of Law, and yes the Ten Commandments were part of it. Jesus fulfilled the Law... Not invent new rules... Jesus gave us two commandments to live by under the new covenant of Grace that we accept through Him, they are :-

                        I'm thinking the Abrahamic one is because you do not eat pork and have similar dietary laws, like the Jews, and also circumcise, like the Jews.

                        بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
                        قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
                        Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "

                        تعليق


                        • #27
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                          Jesus was also circumcised. So what do you follow, your church laws, old Testament, the New Testament or Jesus?
                          Yes but you do not eat fat and blood ? but still eat pig and shellfish! Eating pig is not prohibited in Christianity, some do it or some refuse to do it depends on either he refused Old Testament or obeys it. This is know for Christians follow what they like and refuse what they do not like and make weak unreasonable excuses so that they can save themselves. The main problem here is New Testament is empty of rules and laws, specially inheritance, worships, and daily life etc , in-spite of that personnel choices and desires have the priority to decide.
                          Jesus was a Jew, he lived under the Jewish law, of course he was circumcised. I follow Jesus and His message. Following the message does not mean one has to emulate the messenger in all things. The message was concerned with making ourselves right with God, a person cannot achieve salvation through the law, one can adhere to the law and still not achieve righteousness. The Old Testament laws were fulfilled in Jesus.

                          Islam takes control of every aspect of your life and it seems that all the rules and regulations you follow are to keep you from sinning. I believe a person intrinsically knows what is a sin and what is not... Atheists can be kind and law abiding citizens and they do not take their "moral code" from religion, just instinctively know what is right and wrong. I believe this is God given even for those who deny God. Christians see that God has given us freedom of choice, Jesus set the standard by which we are to live by to make ourselves right with God. Read the sermon on the mount, it pretty much sums up how we are expected to live our life in regards to rules.

                          I already said christians are under the new covenant of grace brought through Jesus. It is not the same covenant as the Jews made and does not have the same requirements.

                          You still have not answered my question, and yet you are demanding of me to answer yours.. My question again..

                          Did God make a covenant with Mohammed for muslims?

                          Peace.

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                          • #28
                            Christians see that God has given us freedom of choice, Jesus set the standard by which we are to live by to make ourselves right with God. Read the sermon on the mount, it pretty much sums up how we are expected to live our life in regards to rules.


                            That is why you believe in Trinity that he did not call for?
                            From along time ago I knew that Chritistians' believes and doctrines and habits are far from their religion and texts

                            I already said Christians are under the new covenant of grace brought through Jesus.

                            Or through your church? or any one is free which one to choose?





                            It is not the same covenant as the Jews made and does not have the same requirements.

                            The Old Testament laws were fulfilled in Jesus.

                            Yes, you do not have Hell in Tanakh, but only in New Testament. Pig, fat, Hell, Eden... are not according to the Tanakh
                            بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
                            قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
                            Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "

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                            • #29
                              Did God make a covenant with Mohammed for muslims?Peace upon you.

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                              • #30
                                Pandora...

                                Quran is covenant, Allah make covenant with Mohammed for us. We all follow the rules in Quran which Allah Almighty revealed to Muhammad (Allah's blessing and peace be upon him). We follow them and apply them.


                                Did God make a covenant with Mohammed for muslims?

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                                Do not say this. What is you evidence for this? May be Christians are obliged to do, but you do not.
                                I give you many evidences that there is new rules and laws in Christianity different from Jews.
                                Muslims and Jews share many many believes which Christianity lacks, specially believe in one God compared to Trinity which is not mentioned in Tanakh

                                The covenant of Moses was one of Law, and yes the Ten Commandments were part of it. Jesus fulfilled the Law... Not invent new rules

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                                I know you only want and accept a covenant which meets what is written in your books. Why not be according to our Quran?



                                Matthew 22:37-40, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
                                بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
                                قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
                                Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "

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