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  • #31
    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله

    هل هناك اخبار عن السيدة النصرانية اخي دارك؟

    نسأل الله لها الهداية.آمين!

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    • #32
      الي الان لم اسمع منها رد من بعد ما نقلت مشاركة الاخ حفظ الله

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      • #33
        المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة darkline مشاهدة المشاركة
        الي الان لم اسمع منها رد من بعد ما نقلت مشاركة الاخ حفظ الله

        انا اخوك صاحب الحوار بارك الله فيك، تم تغيير معرفي ولوني فقط

        طيب ممتاز، اسأل الله ان يهديها. آمين!

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        • #34
          يبدو ان الحوار انتهى بعجز الزميلة عن احضار اي دليل من الكتاب المقدس يدعم فكرة الوهية المسيح حسب ايمانها والله اعلى واعلم.

          سيتم ترجمة الحوار قريباً ان شاء الله بعد ان نتأكد انه لن يكون هناك اي ردود من جانبها على اخر رد لي.

          واخر دعوانا ان الحمدلله رب العالمين.

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          • #35
            ارسلت لها اليوم رسالة وقلت بها

            ابراهيم و دواد وعيسى ومحمد عليهم السلام كانوا يعبدون اله واحد
            فردها كان

            thats not from my bible god said nothing about muhammed sorry man interjected that and thats not I believe just give it up when it is all said and done we will see who is right will we not? and I look forward to giving my life for god someday. I know I will and its a great let it be.

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            • #36
              المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة darkline مشاهدة المشاركة
              ارسلت لها اليوم رسالة وقلت بها

              ابراهيم و دواد وعيسى ومحمد عليهم السلام كانوا يعبدون اله واحد
              فردها كان

              thats not from my bible god said nothing about muhammed sorry man interjected that and thats not I believe just give it up when it is all said and done we will see who is right will we not? and I look forward to giving my life for god someday. I know I will and its a great let it be.
              تنبيه هام:

              أخي العزيز دارك بما انك طلبت محاور والإدارة ارتضت أن اكون هذا الشخص فرجاء المرة القادمة لو احببت ان تقول لها شيء معين متعلق بالحوار ان تستشيرني قبلها، لأن ذكرك لنبينا محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم حول مجرى الحوار من الإلوهية الى عصمة الكتاب المقدس ولم لكن اريد لها هذا الأن اطلاقاً لأن الإلوهية متعددة المحاور ولم اكملها معها بعد وهي لم تصدق انك حولت مجرى الحوار فهربت من كل كلامي الى "نبيك لم يُذكر في كتابي" ولعله خير!

              سأضع الرد قريباً ان شاء الله.

              الله المستعان.
              التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة قاصف; الساعة 12-03-2013, 19:40.

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              • #37
                المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة darkline مشاهدة المشاركة

                thats not from my bible god said nothing about muhammed
                !I totally agree

                There is no mention of the name of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

                And the reason for that is because the book you believe is the word of God is fabricated & its not the book that God sent down on Moses or Jesus but it was written by people just like you

                You have the Gospel of John, Mark, Luke & Matthew

                ?But where is the Gospel/Enjeel of Jesus

                Jesus said that there is a final prophet & a messenger coming after him

                And recall what time Jesus son of Maryam, said: children of Israil! verily I am Allahs apostle Unto you, confirming the Taurat which was before me, and giving the glad tidings of an apostle who cometh after me: his name will be Ahmad. Then when he brought Unto them evidences, they said: this is magic manifest.

                Sura Al Saff 6

                And he is mentioned in the Torah & Gospel

                Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear.

                Sura Al Araaf 157

                We believe that Allah sent down the Torah/Taurat on Moses PBUH & The Enjeel/Gospel on Jesus PBUH & the Quran on Prophet Muahham PBUH

                He hath revealed unto thee ( Muhammad ) the Scripture with] truth (Quran) , confirming that which was ( revealed ) before it , [even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel

                Surah Ale'Imran 3

                But those books were lost because of the fabrications of the Jews who Allah gave them the mission to guard the scriptures but they didnt

                (Surely We have sent down the Torah, in which there was guidance and light by which the prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah, used to judge for the Jews, and (so did) the Men of Allah and the Men of knowledge, because they were ordained to protect the Book of Allah, and they stood guard over it.)

                Sura Al-Maida 44

                But they didnt obey Allah and fabricated their books because it doesnt go with their life desires

                (Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words from (their) right places and say: "We hear your word (O Muhammad ) and disobey," )
                Sura Al Nisaa 46

                (Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allâh," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby.)
                Sura Al Baqara 79

                :And the result

                The Catholic Church believes in the Bible of 73 books

                The Urthodox Church believes in the Bible of 66 books

                The Ethiopean Church believes in the Bible of 81 Books


                ?Which Bible is the word of God? 66, 73 or 81


                Even the Jews don’t agree on one Torah as there are the Samritan Torah, the Hebrew Torah & the Greek Torah.

                ?Which Torah is the word of God? Samritan, Hebrew, or Greek

                Even the current books of the new Testament, no one know who wrote them & this are the words of your own Christian scholars who are specialized in the Textual Criticism





                Gospel of Matthew & Luke: Author Unknown





                Gospel of John: Author Unknown







                So how can you stand up, say your are on the right path while Your
                ?own books are fabricated & no one knows who wrote them

                While we Muslims have only one glorified Quran & it’s the same since it came down on prophet Muhammad PBUH & this time Allah didn’t give the Muslims the mission to keep it but He himself told us he will keep it & guard it from fabrication

                Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)
                Sura Al Hijr 6


                And how can you stand up, say your are on the right path while
                ?You do not have any proof of the divinity of Jesus


                Moses, Jesus & Muhammad peace be upon all of them worshipped the same God & their message was the same

                Moses said God is Ekhed/one not three

                [NKJV][Dt.6.4][Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord : ]

                Jesus said God is Ekhed/one not three

                [NKJV][Mk.12.29][And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: ]

                Muhammad Said God is Ahad/one not three

                {Say (oh Muhammad) : He is Allah Ahad/, the One!}

                Sura Al Ikhlas1



                التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة قاصف; الساعة 12-03-2013, 22:18.

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                • #38
                  KJM proverbs 28: 20-23

                  20
                  A faithful man abound with blessing: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent

                  21
                  to have respect of persons is not good: for a piece of bread that man will transgress.

                  22
                  he that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye. and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him

                  23
                  he that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with tongue.

                  Ephesians 5: 5-7
                  5
                  for this ye know that whoremonger, not unclean, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of christ and of god

                  6
                  let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of because of these things cometh the
                  wrath of be god upon the childern of disobedience

                  7Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

                  Proverbs Chapter 27

                  1Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
                  2Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
                  3A stone is heavy, and the sand weighty; but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both.
                  4Wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before envy?
                  5Open rebuke is better than secret love.
                  6Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

                  Proverbs Chapter 25


                  26A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.
                  27It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.
                  28He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

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                  • #39
                    ?What this has anything to do with my questions

                    Does it prove that Jesus claimed divinity & asked you to worship him
                    ?

                    Does it prove that your book is not corrupt & fabricated just like how I proved to you from the mouth of your own Christian scholars
                    ?

                    !The answer is no

                    You can answer my questions by simply going through the bible & tell me this verse where Jesus said he is God & this verse where he asked me to worship him

                    Regrading my second question you can simply tell me who wrote your bible with proof

                    ?Can you do that

                    !I hope so

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                    • #40
                      jesus desciples wrote the bible,inspired by god,who wrote yours?what makes that man,a mere man,worthy to claim victory over satan with god?have you ever tried to read the bible or just been to afraid to have a mind of your own?is it ok to think nothing of your mother? is she equal to a dog? a man shal leave his family and cleave to the women,she brings life,if god were alive in your heart by any name,you would not hate so.

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                      • #41
                        المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة darkline مشاهدة المشاركة
                        jesus desciples wrote the bible,inspired by god
                        ?You mean those who sold Jesus out & ran away

                        [Message][Mk.14.50][All the disciples cut and ran. ]


                        ?What Bible you are talking about exactly

                        ? The Catholic Church version of 73 books

                        ?or The Urthodox Church version of 66 books

                        ?or The Ethiopian Church version of 81 book

                        or The Protestant Church version of 66 books + they reject the 7 Apocrypha books of the Catholics

                        or The bible of Jehova Witness

                        ?And where is the proof that Jesus disciples wrote anything

                        Unknown authors started writing your books nearly 400 years after your god died


                        And why you didnt reply to your own Christians authors that said all the four bibles of the new testament are written by unknown authors
                        ?

                        Why you always reply from your head & neglect mentioning any proof
                        ?


                        المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة darkline مشاهدة المشاركة
                        ,who wrote yours?
                        Allah most high wrote it & sent it down on Prophet Muhammad on the period of 23 years

                        And with truth We have sent it down (Quran) and with truth it hath come down; and We have not sent thee (Muhammad) but as a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. (105) And this is a Recitation which We have made distinct that thou mayest recite it unto mankind with delay, and We have revealed it at intervals.

                        Sura Al-Israa

                        We have not sent down the Qur'ân unto you (O Muhammad SAW) to cause you distress, (2) But only as a Reminder to those who fear Allâh.

                        Sura Taha


                        And we have only 1 Quran not thousand different fabricated versions like you & each Christian group claim they have the word of God while all of them have nothing except fabrications


                        While Allah protected his only correct book the Glorified Quran

                        We, Ourselves, have sent down the Dhikr (the Qur’an), and We are there to protect it.

                        Sura Al Hijr

                        المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة darkline مشاهدة المشاركة
                        what makes that man,a mere man,worthy to claim victory over satan with god?
                        You said: what makes a man, a mere man

                        !And by that you worship a mere human-being

                        !Thank you! I Applaud you for this confession

                        Just like how he kept telling you in your book but you still tell him NO you are a God

                        [But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. ]
                        [NKJV][Jn.8.40]


                        I would like just to remind you that this mere man was tested & tempted by satan for 40 straight nights & you still worship him

                        [NKJV][Mk.1.13][And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan ]


                        المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة darkline مشاهدة المشاركة
                        have you ever tried to read the bible or just been to afraid to have a mind of your own?
                        I did actually & I know your book more than you & your priests combined & its enough really that I am proving to you the false divinity of Jesus from YOUR OWN BOOK not mine

                        And its enough that all your replies from your own mind & has no proof to support it


                        And you didnt tell me how can you worship someone who told your to worship the father to go to heaven

                        [And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ]
                        [NKJV][Jn.17.3]


                        And how can you worship someone who falls on his face prostrating like Muslims & worship Allah

                        ? How can you worship someone who prays? & prays to whom

                        [NKJV][Mt.26.39][And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou

                        [NKJV][Mt.26.42][He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. ]

                        المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة darkline مشاهدة المشاركة
                        is it ok to think nothing of your mother? is she equal to a dog? a man shal leave his family and cleave to the women,she brings life,if god were alive in your heart by any name,you would not hate so.
                        ?What my mother has anything to do with this

                        Its about you worshiping a human being who cant do you any good or harm

                        He couldnt push the harm away from himself

                        Your God got whooped

                        [AMP][Jn.19.1][SO THEN Pilate took Jesus and scourged (flogged, whipped) Him.]

                        And slapped

                        [AMP][Jn.19.3][And they kept coming to Him and saying, Hail, King of the Jews! [Good health to you! Peace to you! Long life to you, King of the Jews!] And they struck Him with the palms of their hands.(1

                        And crossed

                        [NKJV][Mk.15.30][Save thyself, and come down from the cross. ]

                        Then died

                        [WEB][Jn.19.30][When therefore Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished; and having bowed his head, he delivered up his spirit.]

                        And buried

                        [NKJV][Mt.27.60][And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed. ]


                        !And after all that you consider him a God

                        Unless you are fond of worshiping a weak & humiliated god who get slapped, whipped & killed then buried

                        The choice is up to you of course in the end and Allah will ask you on judgment day why you worshiped a human being instead of me the creator & why you didnt follow Prophet Muhammad my messenger

                        The Day that the wrongdoer will bite at his hands, He will say "Oh! would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger! (27) "Ah! woe is me! would that I had never taken such a one for a friend! (28) "He did lead me astray from the Message (of Allah) after it had come to me! Ah! the devil is a traitor to man!

                        Sura Al Furkan

                        On that day those who disbelieved and disobeyed the messenger will wish that they were level with the ground, and they can hide no fact from Allah.

                        Sura Al Nisaa

                        There is no God worth worshiping but Allah & Muhmmad is His prophet & Messenger & Jesus is the servant of Allah & his Prophet & Messenger

                        :)
                        التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة قاصف; الساعة 15-03-2013, 17:11.

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                        • #42
                          قامت بحذفي

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                          • #43
                            المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة darkline مشاهدة المشاركة
                            قامت بحذفي
                            لا بأس يا اخي الحبيب فـ الصراخ على قدر الألم.

                            المهم ان الرسالة وصلت ولا عذر لها امام الله الأن فقد دعوتها للحق وبينت لها الأمر بشكل واضح كـ وضوح الشمس فهي لا تملك دليل لإلوهية ربها ولا دليل لصحة كتابها.

                            (مَّنِ اهْتَدَى فَإِنَّمَا يَهْتَدي لِنَفْسِهِ وَمَن ضَلَّ فَإِنَّمَا يَضِلُّ عَلَيْهَا وَلاَ تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولاً ) {الإسراء 15}

                            نسأل الله ان يهديها ويهدي كل اهل ملتها من عبادة البشر لعبادة رب البشر. آمين!

                            بارك الله في نقلك وحرصك على الدعوة واسأل الله ان يجعل نقلك هذا في ميزان حسناتك.آمين!

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                            • #44
                              جزاك الله خيرا اخي المحاور
                              واسال الله ان يكون كل ما قدمة في ميازن حسانتك

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                              • #45
                                بارك الله فيك أخي "قاصف"

                                حوارك كان جميل ومدعوم بالدليل ولم تدع لها مجال للف والدوران

                                وملاحظ مدى إلغاء من تحاورها لعقلها الذي وهبها الله إياه ، فإيمانها قائم فقط على العاطفة وعلى إتباع الهوى.

                                وسبحان الله وتعالى القائل ( وَلَقَدْ ذَرَأْنَا لِجَهَنَّمَ كَثِيراً مِنْ الْجِنِّ وَالإِنسِ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌ لا يَفْقَهُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ أَعْيُنٌ لا يُبْصِرُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ آذَانٌ لا يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا أُوْلَئِكَ كَالأَنْعَامِ بَلْ هُمْ أَضَلُّ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمْ الْغَافِلُونَ (179)) سورة الأعراف

                                أسأل الله أن يهديها ولو بعد حين ، فعسى أن تتفكر في ماكتبته لها

                                وأن يهدينا جميعاً سواء السبيل ولا يجعلنا من الغافلين ، وأن يستعملنا في طاعته ونصرة دينه ونبيه

                                وجزى الله أخي Darkline على جهده في هذا الحوار

                                لندع بطرس يعرفنا من هو المسيح ؟
                                Acts:2:22
                                ايها الرجال الاسرائيليون اسمعوا هذه الاقوال.يسوع الناصري رجل قد تبرهن لكم من قبل الله بقوات وعجائب وآيات صنعها الله بيده في وسطكم كما انتم ايضا تعلمون. (SVD)




                                ( لايمكن للمخلوق أن يلد الخالق )
                                من أسباب إسلام الشماس السابق "جمال أرمانيوس"

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