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  • #46
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    Post 29..
    A Unitarian Christian is not I believe a true Christian. IMHO. If you look at their ideology they stress more of mans will and not Gods will.

    But we all are free to take whichever path we wish in life. I can't speak for them as I don't know any Unitarian Christians personally.
    Enough that they are Christians because they jump that Trinity fabrication

    Reminder
    Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
    Arianism (4th century)
    Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
    Jehovah's Witnesses
    Mormonism
    Unitarianism

    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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    • #47
      المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة pandora مشاهدة المشاركة
      A question... Why is a non muslims belief important to you?
      I like non-Muslims
      Because I love goodness and truth to them

      Such as: you can't explain the Trinity and you say you don't need a Bible
      And you don't need to know Allah

      I'm sure if you find Allah in Islam like it

      تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
      اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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      • #48
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        تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
        اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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        • #49
          [QUOTE=فداء الرسول;560115]Allah in Islam is

          Sahih International: [He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

          but Allah in Christianity like

          animals also





          This is proof that Trinity added after Jesus and there is plenty of evidence that the Trinity of his Gentile

          How is this proof? It does not make sense.


          Father + son + Holy Spirit + Mary = Trinity

          What has Mary to do with the trinity???

          False equivalencies





          An agnostic just says so or not understand beliefs like you

          I understand I beliefs perfectly well thank you. I don't see why I should have to prove them to someone who has harden their hearts to the truth.



          Yes the Internet contain evidence that the Trinity of his Gentile
          And disciples of Christ did not complete
          And many Christians don't believe Trinity

          Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
          Arianism (4th century)
          Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
          Jehovah's Witnesses
          Mormonism
          Unitarianism

          To be a Christian one has to believe in Christ, these you quote cannot be considered radical reformers..at best they are considered cults.

          Reasons given for rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity include:




          1.To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?
          2.Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn’t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?
          3.Christians say that Jesus was God because he was called Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah, and "savior". Ezekiel was addressed in the Bible as Son of Man. Jesus spoke of "the peace makers" as Sons of God. Any person who followed the Will and Plan of God was called SON OF GOD in the Jewish tradition and in their language (Genesis 6:2,4; Exodus 4:22; Psalm 2:7; Romans 8:14). "Messiah" which in Hebrew means "God’s anointed" and not "Christ", and "Cyrus" the person is called "Messiah" or "the anointed". As for "savior", in II KINGS 13:5, other individuals were given that title too without being gods. So where is the proof in these terms that Jesus was God when the word son is not exclusively used for him alone?
          4.Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were one in the sense of nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones?
          5.Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?
          6.If God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three could be the complete God. Granting that such was the case, then when Jesus was on earth, he wasn’t a complete God, nor was the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn’t that contradict what Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord and our Lord ? Does that also mean that there was no complete god then, between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?

          Again you are measuring the divine by the human.
          You need to understand that for God anything and everything is possible. It is not for us to question the will of God.

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          • #50
            how does your God show his love to you?


            I love Allah but Allah loves me more

            Because God loves me with his mercy and pardon and forgiveness. Loves me with his grace. Such as health, mind and religion Islam
            God in Islam is closer to people than anything else.

            [However missed whistle me
            It's good that you believe this, but I do not see how your Allah as a unitary deity is capable of love. The 99 words for love of Allah is beautiful for sure, but for me there is one missing which is most important one..that of Father. Just as a Father loves his children, guides his children, teaches his children then God does the same for us, as his children. Just as a child loves, respects, and follows a fathers teaching then we follow God.

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            • #51
              The problem you are talking nonsense. I excused you because you do not understand well your faith
              Scrubs for many Christians do not understand the Trinity
              I consider this patronising, so I will not respond.

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              • #52
                I like non-Muslims
                Because I love goodness and truth to them

                Such as: you can't explain the Trinity and you say you don't need a Bible
                And you don't need to know Allah

                I'm sure if you find Allah in Islam like it
                I don't need to explain the trinity, I understand it and you don't wish to so its immaterial.

                I never said I do not need a Bible, stop changing my words, I said I do not WHOLEY rely on the Bible for my faith. God is not in a book. He is an intrinsic part of your being if you allow him to be.
                I don't need to know Allah, because I have God.
                I have looked for Allah in the Quran but can only see the Quran as a work of man...not God.

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                • #53
                  Barnabas the Apostle knew Mohamed
                  The Bible contains many emblems cannot refute
                  I almost missed this one. How so? the Apostle Barnabas, who never met Jesus BTW. Was a companion to Paul, formally Saul. He died hundreds of years before Mohammed was born. So how could he have known Mohammed?

                  The Koran to the Prophet Muhammad told all about Jesus
                  No, it did not or if it did then Mohammed or his scribes must have changed it. because it is the opposite of what the Bible teaches about Jesus. As i said already..God would not make such an error.

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                  • #54
                    المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة pandora مشاهدة المشاركة
                    It's good that you believe this, but I do not see how your Allah as a unitary deity is capable of love. The 99 words for love of Allah is beautiful for sure, but for me there is one missing which is most important one..that of Father. Just as a Father loves his children, guides his children, teaches his children then God does the same for us, as his children. Just as a child loves, respects, and follows a fathers teaching then we follow God.
                    .If you read the 99 types of love sure it qualities of the father or mother, but Allah is great. More than anything to compare it

                    Pandora :you will not understand the meaning of Allah in Islam. If you compare it to human beings



                    Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One
                    Allah , the Eternal Refuge
                    He neither begets nor is born
                    Nor is there to Him any equivalent

                    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                    • #55
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                      Thank you for this explanation.

                      Regards the Gospel of Barnabas muslims like to quote. It has been proven as a medieval fake, many muslim scholars accept this as truth having examined the evidence. There is the Epistle of Barnabas which is a genuine Christian work which is quite different from the gospel.

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                      • #56
                        Pandora :you will not understand the meaning of Allah in Islam. If you compare it to human beings
                        :) it is not I who measures God or Allah by human terms...I keep saying this over and over. Mankind can never hope to understand fully the greatness of God. Mankind no matter how good and pure we try to be, will always fall short of the Glory of God.

                        Christ said the way to the Father was through him, he is our intercessor with God almighty.

                        Who is yours?

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                        • #57
                          I never said I do not need a Bible, stop changing my words, I said I do not WHOLEY rely on the Bible for my faith. God is not in a book. He is an intrinsic part of your being if you allow him to be.


                          the Bible has nothing to do with God when Christians


                          Is the Bible Book of Songs, stories or history.For you



                          I have looked for Allah in the Quran but can only see the Quran as a work of man...not God.

                          That's funny.Where directory

                          تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                          اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                          • #58
                            the Apostle Barnabas, who never met Jesus BTW

                            Can you tell me of the Gospel writers


                            e Mohammed was born. So how could he have known Mohammed?
                            Barnabas invented the Gospel
                            Or is from Allah
                            1 - invented the Bible = Bible interpolated
                            2 - from Allah = Bisharat Prophet Muhammad


                            No, it did not or if it did then Mohammed or his scribes must have changed it. because it is the opposite of what the Bible teaches about Jesus. As i said already..God would not make such an error.

                            Nonsense = no evidence

                            تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                            اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                            • #59
                              Is the Bible Book of Songs, stories or history.For you
                              :) for me personally it is an inspired work of scripture, an historical account, a guide book for life, parables written two thousand years ago that still have a validity in today's world. A source of comfort, peace and joy and an ever present reminder of Gods love for me. :)

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                              • #60
                                Pandora:
                                I want answer to that dialogue with you leads to deadlock
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                                Do you want to ask about Islam

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                                Or dissemination of Christianity

                                Select and close this topic
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                                التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة فداء الرسول; الساعة 18-12-2012, 22:22.

                                تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                                اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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