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  • #31
    المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة pandora مشاهدة المشاركة
    The comforter, Paraclete, Advocate or helper...refers to the Holy Spirit, not Mohammed.
    The word is no evidence does not mean something

    تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
    اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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    • #32
      Bandora
      For the good dialogue we must take care to only one point. Now

      Dialogue with proof

      Dialogue with proof

      Dialogue with proof


      You answer my posts only

      https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/560037-post28.html

      https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/560042-post29.html

      تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
      اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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      • #33
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        The books admitted to the canon of Scripture were inspired by God. There were, however, many false books that claimed inspiration. How did the people judge between the true and the false? The Bible does not give any set of criteria that were used to determine which books were to be considered Scripture. We are not told how the determination was made. Though we do not know the exact criteria which were used, they may include the following:
        Of course, you are not told because there is none at all !!
        However, which bible of those do you think was inspired ?
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon



        Advice
        Stop copying and pasting from here
        https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/canon.cfm

        Tell us what do you believe

        التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة عبد الرحيم1; الساعة 16-12-2012, 13:45.
        أين الذين هم الرجال إذا دعوا هبوا وإن دوى النفير أغاروا
        يا مسلمون ومن سواكم للحمى إن كشرت عن نابها الأخطار
        الله أكبر في الحياة نشيدنا نور على درب الكفاح ونار

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        • #34
          المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة pandora مشاهدة المشاركة
          The comforter, Paraclete, Advocate or helper...refers to the Holy Spirit, not Mohammed.
          Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
          "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

          Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

          https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_John-16-7/


          التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة عبد الرحيم1; الساعة 16-12-2012, 13:59.
          أين الذين هم الرجال إذا دعوا هبوا وإن دوى النفير أغاروا
          يا مسلمون ومن سواكم للحمى إن كشرت عن نابها الأخطار
          الله أكبر في الحياة نشيدنا نور على درب الكفاح ونار

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          • #35
            What do you find difficult with a triune Godhead? Do you measure God by human characteristics? How do you as a muslim see the nature of God?

            The Trinity as the word..TRINITY..is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. However there are many instances where the nature of God is described in such a way that makes a triune Godhead obvious.

            It is important for you to understand the nature of what we believe in a triune God, I thought I explained it, but obviously not well enough. Christians believe in ONE God, not three separate and distinct individual beings. On this point the Trinity consists of God, the Father. Jesus as the son, made man. The Holy Spirit as the will of God. Never has Mary mother of Jesus was part of the Trinity, the very idea that God may have had a union with Mary as in human terms in order to beget Jesus is abhorrent to Christians and we consider it an insult to God the highest that his greatness should be brought low.

            We as humans do not need to understand God, and should not measure God by our own puny understanding. Mankind seeks communion with God, it's what we all hope for in Heaven or Paradise for you. The triune nature of God makes this a possibility in as much God has shown his love for us through the sacrifice of Jesus, his Holy Spirit guides us to the truth and the right path to this communion.

            Now I could I'm sure find something on the Internet that would offer you proof from a scientific perspective, but I thought the idea here was a dialogue of ones own opinions and a sharing of understanding of our beliefs. Besides you can find that information yourself if you so wished to. Is there another agenda that I am not aware of here?

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            • #36
              Reply to your post 33.. I copied and pasted that because it is what I believe. you don't copy and paste then?

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              • #37
                To your 34. Why it cannot be Mohammed.

                15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

                Jesus is telling his disciples that they already know the "helper", he dwells with you and is in you..this is the Holy Spirit. The disciples never knew Mohammed.


                19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

                22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”

                23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

                "He will keep My word" Mohammed never kept Jesus's word, but brought his own version.


                25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

                Mohammed never claimed to come by Jesus's name, but in Allah's. How would Mohammed bring to their remembrance all things Jesus had said?...he did not arrive on the scene till 600 years later.

                I have said this already before on another forum...but it makes no difference.

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                • #38
                  Answer to your post 32.

                  Dialogue with proof..I find this funny, that I have to prove my religion and yet for a muslim is is ok to just quote the Quran, and that is supposed to be proof enough.

                  That can only ever be proof if you believe it is the genuine word of God and God alone. I think my belief is plain. I am beginning to think I have been invited here under false pretence. I thought it was for mutual dialogue.

                  I will ask you a question, for you to answer not with an answer the Quran tells you but what you have thought on for yourself, what you believe ..how does your God show his love to you?

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                  • #39
                    Post 34.
                    Your quote I guess from an Islamic source...that really should read ALL Christians would say, it refers to the Holy Spirit.

                    What you fail to understand the Holy Spirit existed from the beginning along with God and the word of God Christ. The Holy Spirit is always present in any who accept Gods grace.

                    So hence this prophecy definitely does not refer to Mohammed. but does most definitely refer to the Holy Spirit.

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                    • #40
                      Post 29..
                      A Unitarian Christian is not I believe a true Christian. IMHO. If you look at their ideology they stress more of mans will and not Gods will.

                      But we all are free to take whichever path we wish in life. I can't speak for them as I don't know any Unitarian Christians personally.

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                      • #41
                        A question... Why is a non muslims belief important to you?

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                        • #42
                          What do you find difficult with a triune Godhead? Do you measure God by human characteristics? How do you as a muslim see the nature of God?

                          Allah in Islam is great



                          Sahih International: [He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

                          but Allah in Christianity like

                          animals also

                          https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t193429.html


                          The Trinity as the word..TRINITY..is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. However there are many instances where the nature of God is described in such a way that makes a triune Godhead obvious.

                          This is proof that Trinity added after Jesus and there is plenty of evidence that the Trinity of his Gentile

                          Never has Mary mother of Jesus was part of the Trinity

                          Father + son + Holy Spirit + Mary = Trinity


                          False equivalencies


                          We as humans do not need to
                          understand God

                          An agnostic just says so or not understand beliefs like you


                          Now I could I'm sure find something on the Internet that would offer you proof from a scientific perspective, but I thought the idea here was a dialogue of ones own opinions and a sharing of understanding of our beliefs. Besides you can find that information yourself if you so wished to. Is there another agenda that I am not aware of here?
                          Yes the Internet contain evidence that the Trinity of his Gentile
                          And disciples of Christ did not complete
                          And many Christians don't believe Trinity

                          Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
                          Arianism (4th century)
                          Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
                          Jehovah's Witnesses
                          Mormonism
                          Unitarianism


                          Reasons given for rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity include:



                          1.To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?
                          2.Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn’t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?
                          3.Christians say that Jesus was God because he was called Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah, and "savior". Ezekiel was addressed in the Bible as Son of Man. Jesus spoke of "the peace makers" as Sons of God. Any person who followed the Will and Plan of God was called SON OF GOD in the Jewish tradition and in their language (Genesis 6:2,4; Exodus 4:22; Psalm 2:7; Romans 8:14). "Messiah" which in Hebrew means "God’s anointed" and not "Christ", and "Cyrus" the person is called "Messiah" or "the anointed". As for "savior", in II KINGS 13:5, other individuals were given that title too without being gods. So where is the proof in these terms that Jesus was God when the word son is not exclusively used for him alone?
                          4.Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were one in the sense of nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones?
                          5.Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?
                          6.If God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three could be the complete God. Granting that such was the case, then when Jesus was on earth, he wasn’t a complete God, nor was the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn’t that contradict what Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord and our Lord ? Does that also mean that there was no complete god then, between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?

                          more
                          https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t191613.html

                          تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                          اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                          • #43
                            The disciples never knew Mohammed
                            Barnabas the Apostle knew Mohamed
                            The Bible contains many emblems cannot refute

                            "He will keep My word" Mohammed never kept Jesus's word, but brought his own version.



                            Sahih International: O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

                            How would Mohammed bring to their remembrance all things Jesus had said?

                            The Koran to the Prophet Muhammad told all about Jesus


                            Because Mohammed and Jesus prophets of Allah

                            تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                            اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                            • #44
                              Dialogue with proof..I find this funny, that I have to prove my religion and yet for a muslim is is ok to just quote the Quran, and that is supposed to be proof enough.

                              Yes, when you are talking about your faith come to demonstrate because we do not believe in Christianity

                              First post I asked you to games about Islam but you talked about the Trinity and the crucifixion of Jesus and have not installed
                              This shows that you don't understand anything in Christianity only you repeat that you are told


                              I am beginning to think I have been invited here under false pretence. I thought it was for mutual dialogue.
                              If you don't want to talk about Christianity and willing to learn about Islam
                              Please ask any question.
                              Because Islam answered all questions


                              how does your God show his love to you?
                              I love Allah but Allah loves me more

                              Because God loves me with his mercy and pardon and forgiveness. Loves me with his grace. Such as health, mind and religion Islam
                              God in Islam is closer to people than anything else. However missed whistle me

                              Say: O my servants! Who have acted extravagantly against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of God; Surely God forgives the faults altogether; surely He is the Forgiving, the Merciful. (39:53)


                              But whoever repents after his iniquity and reforms (himself), then surely God will return to him (mercifully); surely God is Forgiving, Merciful. (5:39).


                              Love in Islam has 99 type



                              Love in Islam is not mere slogans lyrics
                              But the work

                              تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                              اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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                              • #45
                                المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة pandora مشاهدة المشاركة
                                Post 34.
                                Your quote I guess from an Islamic source...that really should read ALL Christians would say, it refers to the Holy Spirit.

                                What you fail to understand the Holy Spirit existed from the beginning along with God and the word of God Christ. The Holy Spirit is always present in any who accept Gods grace.

                                So hence this prophecy definitely does not refer to Mohammed. but does most definitely refer to the Holy Spirit.
                                The problem you are talking nonsense. I excused you because you do not understand well your faith
                                Scrubs for many Christians do not understand the Trinity

                                تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
                                اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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