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The Qur’an Cannot Be A Text of Divine Origin

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    The Qur’an Cannot Be A Text of Divine Origin

    Hesham Azmy
    The Christian missionaries tend to make the general conclusion that the Qur’an cannot be a text of divine origin because of the unacceptable meanings included in it. Perhaps they are correct in this conclusion and we may be inclined to agree with them due to the following reasons, which are:

    The Qur’an does not say a prophet slept with his daughters.1

    2. The Qur’an does not say a prophet slept with his neighbour’s wife and plotted to kill him
    The Qur’an does not say a prophet worshipped the Golden Calf.3

    4. The Qur’an does not say a prophet changed his religion, worshipped idols and built for them temples

    5. The Qur’an does not say a prophet told lies and that God deceived and destroyed another prophet

    6. The Qur’an does not say David, Solomon and Jesus were originally bastards from the seed of Pharez, son of Judah

    7. The Qur’an does not say the firstborn of the Great Prophet who was the firstborn of God slept with his stepmother

    8. The Qur’an does not say the second son of the same Great Prophet (firstborn of God) slept with his daughter-in-law

    9. The Qur’an does not contain lurid details and explicit pornography involving men of Assyria and whores from Egypt

    10. The Qur’an does not say John the Baptist, who was the greatest Israelite Prophet ever according to Jesus — though the least in the kingdom of God was greater than him! — failed to recognize his second lord on earth, although this lord followed him and got baptized by him. At least not until he saw the third god descending on this second god as a pigeon

    11. The Qur’an does not say the apostle of this god, Judas Iscariot, who performed many miracles in his name and was among the disciples who were greater than Moses and other Israelite Prophets according to Jesus, delivered his god to the hands of his enemies for 30 pieces.

    12. The Qur’an does not say Caiaphas, the high priest — who was a prophet according to John the Baptist — rejected, insulted and made a verdict to kill his god

    For all the above reasons, we conclude that the Qur’an, unlike the Bible, cannot be a text of divine origin.
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    Genesis 19:30-38
    (Samuel 11:1-272(2
    Exodus 32:1-6
    1Kings 11:1-13
    1Kings 13:1-30
    Genesis 38:12:30
    Genesis 35:22 and 49:3-4
    Genesis 38:12:30
    Ezekiel 23
    Matthew 3:13-17, Mark 1:9-11 and Luke 3:21-22
    Matthew 26:14-16, 27:3-9, Mark 14:10-11, Luke 22:3-6 and John 18:1-5 ]
    Matthew 26:57:68, Mark 14:53-65, Luke 22:54-71 and John 18:12-24 ]
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    Hesham Azmy
    the Qur’an cannot be a text of divine origin
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    When i saw this title i was preparing my e-sword and ready for fight

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    • #3
      المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة مجدي فوزي مشاهدة المشاركة
      When i saw this title i was preparing my e-sword and ready for fight

      : That is the whole point of the title, to make non-Muslim read it. The references are given; I am shocked that such things are attributed to a holy book.
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      • #4
        جزاك الله خير

        رد مختصر ومرتب

        تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
        اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين

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        • #5
          hahahahahaha

          The Title was deceptive and this is clever of Hesham !I also laughed at Magdy's reply!
          I liked reasons number 10 & 12 most !!
          Hilarious! Reminds me of Eva's old topic "Miracles of the Bible " !

          Well done Hisham , keep up undressing crooks!
          التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة نسيبة بنت كعب; الساعة 30-09-2012, 00:53.

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          • #6
            جزاكم الله خيرا
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            • #7
              For our Christian friends!
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              • #8
                المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة huria مشاهدة المشاركة
                For our Christian friends!
                Very disappointing :( if this is an example of your standards then for sure we have nothing to say. Shame I was hoping you were the one to answer the questions others have ignored.

                Have a good life, may God guide you.

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                  المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة pandora مشاهدة المشاركة
                  Very disappointing :( if this is an example of your standards then for sure we have nothing to say. Shame I was hoping you were the one to answer the questions others have ignored.

                  Have a good life, may God guide you.
                  You know what amaze me about you Christians, you go on and on about your holy book, then you get upset when someone quote from it. In this article, I am quoting your holy book, is that something you feel ashamed of?? Would you get the same response from a Muslim if you post a verse from the Quran??

                  Surely, you can quote something out of context, and I can correct you, and you can do the same but every Christian get mad reading his own holy text! That is a mystery, if these words make you feel uncomfortable, how can you attribute such words to God, and these acts to his messengers?
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                  • #10
                    المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة huria مشاهدة المشاركة
                    You know what amaze me about you Christians, you go on and on about your holy book, then you get upset when someone quote from it. In this article, I am quoting your holy book, is that something you feel ashamed of?? Would you get the same response from a Muslim if you post a verse from the Quran??

                    Surely, you can quote something out of context, and I can correct you, and you can do the same but every Christian get mad reading his own holy text! That is a mystery, if these words make you feel uncomfortable, how can you attribute such words to God, and these acts to his messengers?
                    Huria, enough already. You can quote what you like from the Bible or any other book you like. I am certainly not offended by any criticism you have to offer. The Bible IS a Holy Book, It contains Gods words, as such it does not need little old me to defend it. It's message has stood strong for well over two thousand years.. It remains and always will remain because Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away".

                    you are free to correct me if you think I take something out of context in the Quran, I am not a Muslim, do not have an Islamic scholar to hand so I would not only expect you to correct me but would thank you for it. However, it could be done with tact and politeness..

                    I'll try and be clear.. There is nothing I am ashamed of in the Bible.. I never get mad when reading it.. (maybe slightly annoyed when muslims like your good self treat it with such callous disrespect) but never justifies anger. Nothing in the Bible makes me feel at all uncomfortable either.

                    My disappointment was at your personal low standards of how you treat the scriptures of others. I always thought muslims were taught to be respectful to others. Obviously this is a bigger ask for some than it is for others.

                    Jesus said ~ You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

                    and what category would you say you fall into? Not that it would bother you any... The teachings of Jesus I mean ;)

                    see... You could have started a thread in answer to my question.. Instead you waste time and effort on such trivia as this. :)

                    Peace to you.

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                    • #11
                      Again not sure what I did to warrant this angry reply, you telling me you are not angry but your words are shouting at me loool

                      The topic is reply to Christians who say that Quran is not like bible, and as I said earlier we share similar names of prophets but their stories are so different. I only quoted what your book says, and then you replied that you are disappointed?? So I was astonished hence my second reply.

                      Anyway I agree with you, no need to start side points, lets start the thread, and can I ask you to please give me a clear and honest answer, and I don’t think you are of those cut and paste but just in case no such replies please. I promise I will try to put my point politely, and respectfully. Please try to shorten your answers as much as possible unless a long clarification is needed, and we stick to the point we are discussing.
                      التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة huria; الساعة 05-05-2014, 19:57.
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                      • #12
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                        Again not sure what I did to warrant this angry reply, you telling me you are not angry but your words are shouting at me loool


                        Huria, friend... Really it does not bode well for any future dialogue between us if you keep getting the wrong end of the stick ;)
                        I assure you I am not in any way angry with you and my words are just words not shouting words.. lol.. If I say I am not angry, then trust me I am not angry.

                        The topic is reply to Christians who say that Quran is not like bible, and as I said earlier we share similar names of prophets but their stories are so different. I only quoted what your book says, and then you replied that you are disappointed?? So I was astonished hence my second reply.
                        If I say I am disappointed .. Then I am disappointed. On this occasion, on this thread my disappointment was with your good self and not your criticism of Bible. That you are entitled to do. I thought the tone of your post was juvenile and flippant. You can't really expect to be be taken seriously when you don't treat the topics seriously. You are disseminating the word of God here.. Does that not command a modicum of respect? And of course the Quran and the Bible are in no way the same.. That is where many misunderstandings stem from, because muslims judge the Bible by the same criteria they use for the Quran. It is not possible to do this in any meaningful way.

                        Anyway I agree with you, no need to start side points, lets start the thread, and can I ask you to please give me a clear and honest answer, and I don’t think you are of those cut and paste but just in case no such replies please. I promise I will try to put my point politely, and respectfully. Please try to shorten your answers as much as possible unless a long clarification is needed, and we stick to the point we are discussing.
                        Oh, please do start the thread. I will try to make my answers as clear as possible and can promise they will always be honest. I will try to keep short, but as I am a wordy person by nature that may not be as easy.. But in general I only use as many words as I think I need to get my point across... Talking of points.. I will endeavour to stick to it. May I respectfully ask that you do the same.. So .. Then no more faffing about and get on with your proofs. Oh.. And please don't get uppity if I choose not to agree with all you say. ;)

                        peace to you, may God guide your efforts.

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                        • #13
                          The Bible and Quran had been received in different ways. The Bible is written by men inspired by God and the Quran is a dictation from God directly, so all one needs is one discrepancy in the Quran and that renders it useless, but that is not the case with the Bible, because it is not God dictating it, but men showing how he understands the witness of God. But there are parts of the Bible that are dictations such as the ten commands and other such things like Jesus saying the two greatest commandments are love God and your neighbor as yourself. I understand from the Quran that Allah had misconceptions about what Christians believe about God's tri unity. This alone proves to me that it cannot have come from an all knowing God

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                          • #14
                            This thread is only quotes from the bible but Christians get mad reading their own book!! would you get the same reaction from a muslim if you quote Quran verses? Thank God nothing in the Quran make us feel ashamed, or want to hide.
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                              Allah had misconceptions about what Christians believe? okay , tell me what do Christians believe about God ?

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