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  • Muslims will be in hell. Did you know that

    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

    Brothers, I offer you to consider some Suras saying that ALL Muslims will be in hell. Did you know that? Let's read one of them today:

    Originally posted by Sazie Johnson:

    Mr. Muhammad Madian,

    You sent us clippings to show that people are accepting Islam. Do you really think that God is interested in majority? Do you really think truth is made right by majority? Do you really believe darkness will overcome light, or Islam will overcome Christianity?

    Quran 3:54-55 reads, “And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.” “Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.”

    One scholar comments on the verse: “The first time I read this verse [3:54] in the Koran, I could hardly believe my eyes. Even today, any Muslims I discuss this verse with is shocked. In the Koran, God tells all Muslims that the followers of Jesus will be exalted above the disbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. While there are some verses in the Koran that promise the world to the Muslims people if they follow its teachings, these are followed up with predictions that they will disobey their holy book, and not uphold its commands. God’s prediction that the Christians will succeed in doing so is even clearer in the following verse.” (Ibid., pp. 103-104)”

    Then he concluded: “A Muslim may wish to argue that these verses refer to Muhammad and the Muslims as those who truly believe in Christ and dominate till the Resurrection Day. This explanation fails to resolve the issue. The passages do not say that Christ’s followers would only prevail from the time of Muhammad’s advent, but from the time that Christ was taken to God and unto the Day of Resurrection.”

    One faithful and dedicated Muslim said, “What is the difference? I am going to hell anyway.” He quoted Allah in Quran 19:70-7. It reads, “Again We do certainly know best those who deserve most to be burned therein (hell). Not one of you but will pass over it (hell): this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.”
    التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة bahiraomar; الساعة 31-05-2011, 19:10.

  • #2
    hai you
    when u quote from quran wite the name of surah and write the arabic verse
    وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ{54} إِذْ قَالَ اللّهُ يَا عِيسَى إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ وَجَاعِلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرْجِعُكُمْ فَأَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ فِيمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ{55} فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ فَأُعَذِّبُهُمْ عَذَاباً شَدِيداً فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالآخِرَةِ وَمَا لَهُم مِّن نَّاصِرِينَ{56} وَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّالِحَاتِ فَيُوَفِّيهِمْ أُجُورَهُمْ وَاللّهُ لاَ يُحِبُّ الظَّالِمِينَ{57}
    now I believe that u are a liar
    I give you the arabic text
    God tells all Muslims that the followers of Jesus will be exalted above the disbelievers
    where did u get that Mr Shourosh
    لقد حاولوا أن يقنعونا بأن ندير لهم خدنا الأيمن إن ضربونا على الأيسر .. وإن كنا فعلنا ذلك , لاستعبدونا لالآف السنين
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    • #3
      ايه يا باشا
      هوا انا هستناك طول العمر
      انجز
      عندنا عيال عايزين نربيها
      لقد حاولوا أن يقنعونا بأن ندير لهم خدنا الأيمن إن ضربونا على الأيسر .. وإن كنا فعلنا ذلك , لاستعبدونا لالآف السنين
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      • #4
        Salam brother, I gave you a text translated in English.

        By the way it is an authorised Usuf Ali translation. Look at other translations:

        إِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَىٰ إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَجَاعِلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ۖ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرْجِعُكُمْ فَأَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ فِيمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ

        Yusuf Ali 55: Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.


        Shakir 55: And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.


        Pickthal 55: (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.


        Mohsin Khan: 55: And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Îsa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Îsa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم, 'Îsa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Qur'an] till the Day of Resurrection . Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."


        Read better this Sura:

        ثُمَّ لَنَحْنُ أَعْلَمُ بِالَّذِينَ هُمْ أَوْلَىٰ بِهَا صِلِيًّا
        وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا ۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَّقْضِيًّا

        Sura #19 | Makkah
        70:71
        التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة bahiraomar; الساعة 01-06-2011, 21:25.

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        • #5
          good
          now we can start
          and I will start with a question
          what does the word (follow thee) refer to ?
          to the Christian
          no
          because the Christian don not follow Jesus
          they follow Matthew ,Thomas, Mark, Luke , John
          the real followers is Us
          the muslims
          and who are (reject faith) ? ha
          it is you
          who make him a God
          لقد حاولوا أن يقنعونا بأن ندير لهم خدنا الأيمن إن ضربونا على الأيسر .. وإن كنا فعلنا ذلك , لاستعبدونا لالآف السنين
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          • #6
            Brother, look the name of the tread: Muslims will be in hell!!! That's why I discuss not who are christians -followers of Jesus but that personally you will be in hell according to what Qur'an says!!!!!

            Of course we know who are followers of Jesus- christians. hahahaha

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            • #7
              u rare playing a devilish game my brother
              and according to your bible
              كثيرون سيقولون لي في ذلك اليوم: يا رب، يا رب أليس باسمك تنبأنا، وباسمك أخرجنا شياطين، وباسمك صنعنا قوات كثيرة
              23 فحينئذ أصرح لهم: إني لم أعرفكم قط اذهبوا عني يا فاعلي الإثم
              متى 22/23
              why he will talk like that ?
              to whome will he speak ?
              to you my brother
              why ?
              because you call him God
              لقد حاولوا أن يقنعونا بأن ندير لهم خدنا الأيمن إن ضربونا على الأيسر .. وإن كنا فعلنا ذلك , لاستعبدونا لالآف السنين
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              • #8
                Akhi,
                Jesus said it because many Christians are nominal Christians but in fact they are sinners/criminals and Jesus said that all such nominal Christians will be in hell!
                Who can cast out demons? Only Christians.
                Who can preach and prophesize Christianity? Only Christians.

                But He said that if Christians sleeps with women or commit other sins then they are sinners and not believers!

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                • #9
                  give me the proof from the bible not from your mind
                  give me the proof that he is speaking to that kind of people
                  he said many
                  he did not define
                  لقد حاولوا أن يقنعونا بأن ندير لهم خدنا الأيمن إن ضربونا على الأيسر .. وإن كنا فعلنا ذلك , لاستعبدونا لالآف السنين
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                  • #10
                    One scholar comments on the verse: “The first time I read this verse [3:54] in the Koran, I could hardly believe my eyes. Even today, any Muslims I discuss this verse with is shocked
                    I am not a scholar, why I am not shocked from this ayah?
                    what kind of scholar you was taking your info from? tom and jerry maybe?
                    God tells all Muslims that the followers of Jesus will be exalted above the disbelievers until the Day of Resurrection.
                    Then he concluded: “A Muslim may wish to argue that these verses refer to Muhammad and the Muslims as those who truly believe in Christ and dominate till the Resurrection Day. This explanation fails to resolve the issue. The passages do not say that Christ’s followers would only prevail from the time of Muhammad’s advent, but from the time that Christ was taken to God and unto the Day of Resurrection.”
                    these words applies to the followers of Ibraham and the followers of Moses and the followers of Jesus and also the followers of Mohammed peace be upon them all, which means all the followers of all the prophets is going to be above the disbelievers.
                    all those followers whether they are the followers of Moses or the followers of Jesus or the followers of Mohammed (pbu) them all, are believing in the same one unique God and believing in the same one religion, all the prophets are preaching one religion which is Islam, why did you pass over ayah 3:52?

                    فَلَمَّا أَحَسَّ عِيسَى مِنْهُمُ الْكُفْرَ قَالَ مَنْ أَنصَارِي إِلَى اللّهِ قَالَ الْحَوَارِيُّونَ نَحْنُ أَنصَارُ اللّهِ آمَنَّا بِاللّهِ وَاشْهَدْ بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ

                    But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him). 3:52

                    the word "surrendered (unto Him)" is the translation to the arabic word Muslims, now let us re type that ayah without translating the meanings of the arabic word Muslims.

                    But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we are Muslims. 3:52 .
                    the followers of Jesus are Muslims and not christians(CrossTians).

                    One faithful and dedicated Muslim said, “What is the difference? I am going to hell anyway.” He quoted Allah in Quran 19:70-7. It reads, “Again We do certainly know best those who deserve most to be burned therein (hell). Not one of you but will pass over it (hell): this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished
                    this faithful dedicated muslim, is it tom or jerry?
                    you have say it, PASS OVER IT, do I need to explain english to you?
                    havent you heard that there is a bridge over hell and everyone must walk over it, the believers will pass and the disbelievers will fall down?
                    Not one of you but will pass over it (hell)
                    "YOU" point back at who?
                    it point back at those.......
                    those who deserve most to be burned therein (hell)
                    "YOU" does not point back at every muslim or every human as how you imagine or want to imagine it.

                    anyways, are CrossTians and zionists ever will learn to quit misquote from Qur'ran? because it is useless strategy.
                    why do you insest to pick verses out of their context?
                    you have quote from 19:70 to 19:71 but you do not want to contenue to 19:72 .
                    ثُمَّ نُنَجِّي الَّذِينَ اتَّقَوا وَّنَذَرُ الظَّالِمِينَ فِيهَا جِثِيًّا

                    Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil doers crouching there. 19:72

                    you funny zionists, you think because it was easy for you to mislead the silly CrossTians then it must be too easy to mislead the Muslims.

                    you are more than wellcome to distroy your selves on the walls of our great faith.
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                    • #11
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                      give me the proof from the bible not from your mind
                      give me the proof that he is speaking to that kind of people
                      he said many
                      he did not define
                      Brother, look what Ibn Allah said:

                      وَلَكِنِّي عِنْدَئِذٍ أُصَرِّحُ لَهُمْ: إِنِّي لَمْ أَعْرِفْكُمْ قَطُّ! ابْتَعِدُوا عَنِّي يَافَاعِلِي الإِثْمِ!

                      Let's read the context:

                      ﻣﺘﻰ 7

                      1 لاَ تَدِينُوا لِئَلاَّ تُدَانُوا.

                      2 فَإِنَّكُمْ بِالدَّيْنُونَةِ الَّتِي بِهَا تَدِينُونَ تُدَانُونَ؛ وَبِالْكَيْلِ الَّذِي بِهِ تَكِيلُونَ يُكَالُ لَكُمْ.

                      3 لِمَاذَا تُلاَحِظُ الْقَشَّةَ فِي عَيْنِ أَخِيكَ، وَلكِنَّكَ لاَ تَتَنَبَّهُ إِلَى الْخَشَبَةِ الْكَبِيرَةِ فِي عَيْنِكَ؟

                      4 أَوْ كَيْفَ تَقُولُ لأَخِيكَ: دَعْنِي أُخْرِجُ الْقَشَّةَ مِنْ عَيْنِكَ، وَهَا هِيَ الْخَشَبَةُ فِي عَيْنِكَ أَنْتَ!

                      5 يَامُرَائِي! أَخْرِجْ أَوَّلاً الْخَشَبَةَ مِنْ عَيْنِكَ، وَعِنْدَئِذٍ تُبْصِرُ جَيِّداً لِتُخْرِجَ الْقَشَّةَ مِنْ عَيْنِ أَخِيكَ.

                      6 لاَ تُعْطُوا مَا هُوَ مُقَدَّسٌ لِلْكِلاَبِ، وَلاَ تَطْرَحُوا جَوَاهِرَكُمْ أَمَامَ الْخَنَازِيرِ، لِكَيْ لاَ تَدُوسَهَا بِأَرْجُلِهَا وَتَنْقَلِبَ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتُمَزِّقَكُمْ.

                      7 اِسْأَلُوا، تُعْطَوْا. اُطْلُبُوا، تَجِدُوا. اِقْرَعُوا، يُفْتَحْ لَكُمْ.

                      8 فَكُلُّ مَنْ يَسْأَلْ، يَنَلْ؛ وَمَنْ يَطْلُبْ، يَجِدْ؛ وَمَنْ يَقْرَعْ، يُفْتَحْ لَهُ.

                      9 وَإِلاَّ، فَأَيُّ إِنْسَانٍ مِنْكُمْ يَطْلُبُ مِنْهُ ابْنُهُ خُبْزاً، فَيُعْطِيهِ حَجَراً،

                      10 أَوْ سَمَكَةً، فَيُعْطِيهِ حَيَّةً؟

                      11 فَإِنْ كُنْتُمْ وَأَنْتُمْ أَشْرَارٌ، تَعْرِفُونَ أَنْ تُعْطُوا أَوْلاَدَكُمْ عَطَايَا جَيِّدَةً، فَكَمْ بِالأَحْرَى جِدّاً يُعْطِي أَبُوكُمُ السَّمَاوِيُّ عَطَايَا جَيِّدَةً لِلَّذِينَ يَطْلُبُونَ مِنْهُ؟

                      12 إِذَنْ، كُلُّ مَا تُرِيدُونَ أَنْ يُعَامِلَكُمُ النَّاسُ بِهِ، فَعَامِلُوهُمْ أَنْتُمْ بِهِ أَيْضاً: هَذِهِ خُلاَصَةُ تَعْلِيمِ الشَّرِيعَةِ وَالأَنْبِيَاءِ.

                      13 اُدْخُلُوا مِنَ الْبَابِ الضَّيِّقِ! فَإِنَّ الْبَابَ الْمُؤَدِّيَ إِلَى الْهَلاَكِ وَاسِعٌ وَطَرِيقَهُ رَحْبٌ؛ وَكَثِيرُونَ هُمُ الَّذِينَ يَدْخُلُونَ مِنْهُ.

                      14 مَا أَضْيَقَ الْبَابَ وَأَعْسَرَ الطَّرِيقَ الْمُؤَدِّيَ إِلَى الْحَيَاةِ! وَقَلِيلُونَ هُمُ الَّذِينَ يَهْتَدُونَ إِلَيْهِ.

                      15 اِحْذَرُوا الأَنْبِيَاءَ الدَّجَّالِينَ الَّذِينَ يَأْتُونَ إِلَيْكُمْ لاَبِسِينَ ثِيَابَ الْحُمْلانِ، وَلَكِنَّهُمْ مِنَ الدَّاخِلِ ذِئَابٌ خَاطِفَةٌ!

                      16 مِنْ ثِمَارِهِمْ تَعْرِفُونَهُمْ. هَلْ يُجْنَى مِنَ الشَّوْكِ عِنَبٌ، أَوْ مِنَ الْعُلَّيْقِ تِينٌ؟

                      17 هَكَذَا، كُلُّ شَجَرَةٍ جَيِّدَةٍ تُثْمِرُ ثَمَراً جَيِّداً. أَمَّا الشَّجَرَةُ الرَّدِيئَةُ، فَإِنَّهَا تُثْمِرُ ثَمَراً رَدِيئاً.

                      18 لاَ يُمْكِنُ أَنْ تُثْمِرَ الشَّجَرَةُ الْجَيِّدَةُ ثَمَراً رَدِيئاً، وَلاَ الشَّجَرَةُ الرَّدِيئَةُ ثَمَراً جَيِّداً.

                      19 وَكُلُّ شَجَرَةٍ لاَ تُثْمِرُ ثَمَراً جَيِّداً، تُقْطَعُ وَتُطْرَحُ فِي النَّارِ.

                      20 إِذَنْ مِنْ ثِمَارِهِمْ تَعْرِفُونَهُمْ.

                      21 لَيْسَ كُلُّ مَنْ يَقُولُ لِي: يَارَبُّ، يَارَبُّ! يَدْخُلُ مَلَكُوتَ السَّمَاوَاتِ، بَلْ مَنْ يَعْمَلُ بِإِرَادَةِ أَبِي الَّذِي فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ.

                      22 فِي ذَلِكَ الْيَوْمِ سَيَقُولُ لِي كَثِيرُونَ: يَارَبُّ، يَارَبُّ، أَلَيْسَ بِاسْمِكَ تَنَبَّأْنَا، وَبِاسْمِكَ طَرَدْنَا الشَّيَاطِينَ، وَبِاسْمِكَ عَمِلْنَا مُعْجِزَاتٍ كَثِيرَةً؟

                      23 وَلَكِنِّي عِنْدَئِذٍ أُصَرِّحُ لَهُمْ: إِنِّي لَمْ أَعْرِفْكُمْ قَطُّ! ابْتَعِدُوا عَنِّي يَافَاعِلِي الإِثْمِ!

                      24 فَأَيُّ مَنْ يَسْمَعُ أَقْوَالِي هَذِهِ وَيَعْمَلُ بِهَا، أُشَبِّهُهُ بِرَجُلٍ حَكِيمٍ بَنَى بَيْتَهُ عَلَى الصَّخْرِ،

                      25 فَنَزَلَتِ الأَمْطَارُ، وَجَرَتِ السُّيُولُ، وَهَبَّتِ الْعَوَاصِفُ، فَضَرَبَتْ ذَلِكَ الْبَيْتَ، فَلَمْ يَسْقُطْ لأَنَّهُ مُؤَسَّسٌ عَلَى الصَّخْرِ.

                      26 وَأَيُّ مَنْ يَسْمَعُ أَقْوَالِي هَذِهِ وَلاَ يَعْمَلُ بِهَا، يُشَبَّهُ بِرَجُلٍ غَبِيٍّ بَنَى بَيْتَهُ عَلَى الرَّمْلِ،

                      27 فَنَزَلَتْ الأَمْطَارُ، وَجَرَتْ السُّيُولُ، وَهَبَّتِ الْعَوَاصِفُ، فَضَرَبَتْ ذَلِكَ الْبَيْتَ، فَسَقَطَ، وَكَانَ سُقُوطُهُ عَظِيماً»

                      28 وَلَمَّا أَنْهَى يَسُوعُ هَذَا الْكَلاَمَ، ذُهِلَتِ الْجُمُوعُ مِنْ تَعْلِيمِهِ،

                      29 لأَنَّهُ كَانَ يُعَلِّمُهُمْ كَصَاحِبِ سُلْطَانٍ، وَلَيْسَ مِثْلَ كَتَبَتِهِمْ.

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                      • #12
                        Salam brother,
                        why I didnt quote other verses? Because I am discussing the words which say that ALL Muslims will be in hell!!!! Note again: ALL Muslims. Of course I know that Islamic allah is going to save some from hell. But just do NOT forget that your Islamic allah said to you (not me) that YOU ALL MUSLIMS will be in the hell.

                        You said that you are a follower of Jesus? How can you follow Him please explain. What was His message? Did you read what He was teaching? Do you know His words written in Injil?

                        Let me tell you that there are even such believers who believe in cow in India! Will such faith or trust save these people form the hell fire? No. Because God is NOT a cow.
                        Look what Jesus said:


                        14 يَاإِخْوَتِي، هَلْ يَنْفَعُ أَحَداً أَنْ يَدَّعِيَ أَنَّهُ مُؤْمِنٌ، وَلَيْسَ لَهُ أَعْمَالٌ تُثْبِتُ ذَلِكَ، هَلْ يَقْدِرُ إِيمَانٌ مِثْلُ هَذَا أَنْ يُخَلِّصَهُ؟

                        15 لِنَفْرِضْ أَنَّ أَخاً أَوْ أُخْتاً كَانَا بِحَاجَةٍ شَدِيدَةٍ إِلَى الثِّيَابِ وَالطَّعَامِ الْيَوْمِيِّ،

                        16 وَقَالَ لَهُمَا أَحَدُكُمْ: «أَتَمَنَّى لَكُمَا كُلَّ خَيْرٍ. الْبَسَا ثِيَاباً دَافِئَةً، وَكُلاَ طَعَاماً جَيِّداً!» دُونَ أَنْ يُقَدِّمَ لَهُمَا مَا يَحْتَاجَانِ إِلَيْهِ مِنْ ثِيَابٍ وَطَعَامٍ، فَأَيُّ نَفْعٍ فِي ذَلِكَ؟

                        17 هَكَذَا نَرَى أَنَّ الإِيمَانَ وَحْدَهُ مَيِّتٌ مَا لَمْ تَنْتُجْ عَنْهُ أَعْمَالٌ.

                        18 وَرُبَّمَا قَالَ أَحَدُكُمْ: «أَنْتَ لَكَ إِيمَانٌ وَأَنَا لِي أَعْمَالٌ». أَرِنِي كَيْفَ يَكُونُ إِيمَانُكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَعْمَالٍ، وَأَنَا أُرِيكَ كَيْفَ يَكُونُ إِيمَانِي بِأَعْمَالِي.

                        19 أَنْتَ تُؤْمِنُ أَنَّ اللهَ وَاحِدٌ؟ حَسَناً تَفْعَلُ ! وَالشَّيَاطِينُ أَيْضاً تُؤْمِنُ بِهَذِهِ الْحَقِيقَةِ، وَلَكِنَّهَا تَرْتَعِدُ خَوْفاً.

                        20 وَهَذَا يُؤَكِّدُ لَكَ، أَيُّهَا الإِنْسَانُ الْغَبِيُّ، أَنَّ الإِيمَانَ الَّذِي لاَ تَنْتُجُ عَنْهُ أَعْمَالٌ هُوَ إِيمَانٌ مَيِّتٌ!

                        21 لِنَأْخُذْ أَبَانَا إِبْرَاهِيمَ مَثَلاً: كَيْفَ تَبَرَّرَ؟ أَلَيْسَ بِأَعْمَالِهِ، إِذْ أَصْعَدَ ابْنَهُ إِسْحَاقَ عَلَى الْمَذْبَحِ

                        22 فَأَنْتَ تَرَى أَنَّ إِيمَانَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ قَدْ رَافَقَتْهُ الأَعْمَالُ. فَبِالأَعْمَالِ قَدِ اكْتَمَلَ الإِيمَانُ.

                        23 وَهَكَذَا، تَمَّ مَا قَالَهُ الْكِتَابُ: «آمَنَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ بِاللهِ، فَحُسِبَ لَهُ ذَلِكَ بِرّاً»، حَتَّى إِنَّهُ دُعِيَ «خَلِيلَ اللهِ».

                        24 فَتَرَوْنَ إِذَنْ أَنَّ الإِنْسَانَ لاَ يَتَبَرَّرُ بِإِيمَانِهِ فَقَطْ، بَلْ بِأَعْمَالِهِ أَيْضاً.
                        التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة bahiraomar; الساعة 02-06-2011, 15:56.

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                        • #13
                          why I didnt quote other verses? Because I am discussing the words which say that ALL Muslims will be in hell!!!! Note again: ALL Muslims. Of course I know that Islamic allah is going to save some from hell. But just do NOT forget that your Islamic allah said to you (not me) that YOU ALL MUSLIMS will be in the hell.
                          (all muslims will be in hell) if after all what I said you still repeat saying this non sense, from where did you bring these words? from your koran?
                          in Qur'ran these words does not exist, Qur'ran said every muslim will go to paradise.
                          Allah said to me in Qur'ran I will go to paradise, the only one who say we muslims will go to hell is you.

                          this is argue and not conversation, I am out.
                          كود:
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                          • #14
                            إِذَنْ مِنْ ثِمَارِهِمْ تَعْرِفُونَهُمْ.
                            really ,do your read your Bible ?
                            what is the fruit of the christian community ?
                            sex
                            habitual drunkard or drinker
                            drug addict
                            suicide
                            what is the fruit of yours ?
                            did not Jesus die for our sins ?
                            so why he will tell you he will never you?
                            notice he did not speak to Muslims
                            21 لَيْسَ كُلُّ مَنْ يَقُولُ لِي: يَارَبُّ، يَارَبُّ! يَدْخُلُ مَلَكُوتَ السَّمَاوَاتِ، بَلْ مَنْ يَعْمَلُ بِإِرَادَةِ أَبِي الَّذِي فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ.
                            the context begin from her brother
                            Because I am discussing the words which say that ALL Muslims will be in hell
                            from where did you get that man ?
                            you are an impostor or a blind
                            You said that you are a follower of Jesus? How can you follow Him please explain
                            we believe that He is a messenger from Allah
                            and there are no different between the teaching of Jesus ,Muses and Mohamed

                            آمَنَ الرَّسُولُ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْهِ مِن رَّبِّهِ وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ كُلٌّ آمَنَ بِاللّهِ وَمَلآئِكَتِهِ وَكُتُبِهِ وَرُسُلِهِ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّن رُّسُلِهِ وَقَالُواْ سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا غُفْرَانَكَ رَبَّنَا وَإِلَيْكَ الْمَصِيرُ }البقرة285

                            اللّهَ يَجْتَبِي مِن رُّسُلِهِ مَن يَشَاءُ فَآمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَإِن تُؤْمِنُواْ وَتَتَّقُواْ فَلَكُمْ أَجْرٌ عَظِيمٌ }آل عمران179

                            وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَلَمْ يُفَرِّقُواْ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ أُوْلَـئِكَ سَوْفَ يُؤْتِيهِمْ أُجُورَهُمْ وَكَانَ اللّهُ غَفُوراً رَّحِيماً }

                            يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لاَ تَغْلُواْ فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ عَلَى اللّهِ إِلاَّ الْحَقِّ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَى مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ فَآمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ ثَلاَثَةٌ انتَهُواْ خَيْراً لَّكُمْ إِنَّمَا اللّهُ إِلَـهٌ وَاحِدٌ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَات وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ وَكَفَى بِاللّهِ وَكِيلاً

                            وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الصِّدِّيقُونَ وَالشُّهَدَاء عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ لَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ وَنُورُهُمْ وَالَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَكَذَّبُوا بِآيَاتِنَا أُوْلَئِكَ أَصْحَابُ الْجَحِيمِ

                            etc
                            Do you know His words written in Injil?
                            and do you ?
                            where the the Injil of Jesus
                            dont dive me Mathue ETC
                            لقد حاولوا أن يقنعونا بأن ندير لهم خدنا الأيمن إن ضربونا على الأيسر .. وإن كنا فعلنا ذلك , لاستعبدونا لالآف السنين
                            كود PHP:
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                            http://www.youtube.com/user/shakalala2004 
                            

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                            • #15
                              بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
                              why I didnt quote other verses? Because I am discussing the words which say that ALL Muslims will be in hell!!!! Note again: ALL Muslims. Of course I know that Islamic allah is going to save some from hell. But just do NOT forget that your Islamic allah said to you (not me) that YOU ALL MUSLIMS will be in the hell
                              .

                              If you want to know the meaning of a verse from the Holy Quran you must ask about it ...and don't explain this verse by your own mind ...

                              the meaning of this verse is that: people who will enter pradaise, they will pass over the hell through a narrow path ...and indeed they will never enter it ...but this is to show how God bless them and reward them
                              did you get the point? i hope so
                              سَلامٌ مِنْ صَبا بَرَدى أَرَقُّ ....ودمعٌ لا يُكَفْكَفُ يا دمشقُ

                              ومَعْذِرَةَ اليراعةِ والقوافي .... جلاءُ الرِّزءِ عَنْ وَصْفٍ يُدَّقُ

                              وذكرى عن خواطرِها لقلبي .... إليكِ تلفّتٌ أَبداً وخَفْقُ

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