السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
جزاكم الله خيرا إخواني واخواتي على مجهوداتكم العظيمة
والله أسأل أن يجعله في موازين حسناتكم

أخي الكريم
معذرة لا أوافقك الرأي!!!

الفتاة التي تخاطبها لن تقتنع بحرف مما كتبت إلا بدليل قاطع من كتابها ...
ومخاطبتها بالعقل دون النقل يطيل الحوار سنين دون جدوى!!!
فهي اعترفت ان ما تقوله هي لن تفهمه أنت لأنه أعلى من فهم البشر, فكيف تخاطبها بالعقل فقط؟!!!
فكل ما تقوله أنت لن يحرك فيها ساكن طالما كان العقل فقط هو سيد الحوار!!!
فالسلامة العقلية متفاوتة بين البشر, لكن عند الدليل تُرضخ الأراء, وُتنكس الرؤوس ...
كما أن النصارى يفرون إلى الفلسفة في فهم عقائدهم!!!
وأبواب الفلسفة عديدة بمدارسها وأساليبها العقيمة التي لا تسمن ولا تغني من جوع

لكن ما يزلزل فكرها ويرج كيانها أن ترى ما تقوله هي مخالف لتعاليم الكتاب المقدس!!!
فتلجأ هي لتحليل عقلي آخر, وسرعان ما تكتشف أن تحليها الآخر مخالف لتعاليم الكتاب المقدس!!! فتكتشف ضعف إيمانها وهوان حجتها لأن الدليل ينقض بعضه بعضا ... فتُصدم في عقيدتها المتضاربة, فيدفعها إلى فضول المعرفة عن المعتقد الذي نسف أركان الباطل من جذوره

والأفضل أخي الكريم أن تدعوها هنا للحوار معنا بلغتها ...
فكل كلمة ذكرتها هي شبهة كاملة مستقلة تحتاج لرد كامل . لا ننتقل إلى التي تليها حتى ننجزها ..... ولا يكفي الرد إجمالاً على الجميع بمشاركة واحدة ... فتضيع الفائدة


فموضوع الثالوث ... الصلب .... الخلاص .... الأكل من الشجرة ... صحة النصرانية ... وإدعائها أن من كتب القرآن هو سيد الأنام محمد - ووجود الروح القدس فيهم .... وغيرها من المواضيع التي ذكرتها لا يمكن الرد عليها بمشاركة واحدة

لذلك أخي الكريم أدعها إلى المنتدى لتحاورنا فيه ... وعِدها بطيب مقامها بيننا ... وتعهد لها بحسن معاملتنا لها

وإن رفضت فأبدأ معها من جديد في أي موضوع تختاره هي عن الإسلام أو المسيحية لنفصله لها تفصيلاً ... على ان يكون الكلام بالدليل من كتابها إن شاء الله
والله المستعان

لك مني أجمل تحية

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
أعتذر منكم أخي الكريم فلم أر مشاركتك إلا الآن ....
وسوف أرد على ما كتبت بإذن الله
والله المستعان

A prophet is a man sent by God to guide people to God's path; to worship God as He likes; to know Him...
A prophet sent by God supported with miracles to be believed in.
A prophet can never utter a word unless the word was revealed to him from God...



Let the Bible speak
Ge 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God said before Adam's creation " let us" whish refared to future, i.e. He had not created him yet...
Then He said " So God created man" which refared to the past, i.e. after Adams' creation ....
so according to the verses Adam and Eve were created to live on the earth not the heaven and they committed a sin, then they asked for forgiveness, consequently, God forgave them.
They went down to the earth as it was the natural place to live on- as God created them to live on

So what was the problem????
Let's see:

What you said is against the Bible
Let the bible speak
De 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Which clearly shows that The old testament is against the sin inheritance, as a result there was nothing called "born sins naturally" !!!


The Holy Quran and the correct Hadith are our guide to God's path!!!


The Holy Quran and Hadith organizes the our whole life starting with how to worship God; discipline your needs and instincts; deal with parents, neighbours, wives, enemies...etc.

A few examples:

In Quran the true meaning of righteousness
2|177|It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the Prophets; and giveth his wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the God fearing.

In Quran what God bans us to do

6|151|Say: Come, I will recite unto you that which your Lord hath made a sacred duty for you: that ye ascribe no thing as partner unto Him and that ye do good to parents, and that ye slay not your children because of penury--We provide for you and for them--and that ye draw not nigh to lewd things whether open or concealed. And that ye slay not the life which Allah hath made sacred, save in the course of justice. This He hath commanded you, in order that ye may discern.
6|152|And approach not the wealth of the orphan save with that which is better; till he reach maturity. Give full measure and full weight, in justice. We task not any soul beyond its scope. And if ye give your word, do justice thereunto, even though it be (against) a kinsman; and fulfil the covenant of Allah. This He commandeth you that haply ye may remember.
6|153|And (He commandeth you, saying) : This is My straight path, so follow it Follow not other ways, lest ye be parted from His way: This hath He ordained for you, that ye may ward off (evil).


In Quran how to deal with parents

17|23|Thy Lord hath decreed, that ye worship none save Him, and (that ye show) kindness to parents. If one of them or both of them to attain old age with thee, say not "Fie" unto them nor repulse them, but speak unto them a gracious word.
17|24|And lower unto them the wing of submission through mercy, and say: My Lord! Have mercy on them both as they did care for me when I was little.

compassion on wife

2|223|Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth
as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear
Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to
believers, (O Muhammad).


how to deal with your divorced women
2|231|When ye have divorced women, and they have reached their term, then retain them in kindness or release them in kindness. Retain them not to their hurt so that ye transgress (the limits). He who doeth that hath wronged his soul. Make not the revelations of Allah a laughingstock (by your behavior), but remember Allah's grace upon you and that which He hath revealed unto you of the Scripture and of wisdom, whereby He doth exhort you. Observe your duty to Allah and know that Allah is Aware of all things.

Put in mind, my decent addressee, that Islam drew a complete picture in an accurate frame giving us every thing we need about worshipping and dealing with others

Sure we do.

2|25|And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow; as often as they are regaled with food of the fruit thereof, they say: This is what was given us aforetime; and it is given to them in resemblance. There for them are pure companions; there for ever they abide.

2|39|But they who disbelieve, and deny our revelations, such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein.

My question is,
Are prophets sent by God and their followers in the prison, hellfire or the paradise now?
So, if they are in prison now, it means God is unfair !!!
As they obeyed Him and did what He ordered; and as a result both prophets and the people followed His prophets are in the prison exactly as the unbelievers!!!
But if they are in the heavens, it means that the issue of salvation from the sin is useless !!!!

So, in your point of view,
Is God unfair or the salvation story useless?!!!!

My best regards

عفوا أخي الكريم لن اتمكن من فتح النت إلا بعد نهاية العيد
نسأل الله أن يكتب لنا ولكم الخير
ويتقبل منا جميعا صالح الأعمال