hello jenn i hope that i didnt say anything that is annoying to you i am sorry if you disunderstand me i only want to know more about christianity from an ordinary christian i hope to hear from you soon
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Oh no friend you didn't say anything to annoy me or offend me. I am not on facebook everyday so excuse my late reply. I would love to visit Egypt again someday it was a very interesting place.

I worship Jesus Christ, His Father, and His Holy Spirit. Also known as the trinity. I believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins to redeem us from this fallen world. I believe that He is living and active in my life and the lives of others. I believe that the Holy Spirit (or Spirit of God) came at Pentecost (which was sometime after Jesus' death and resurrection) and dwells in us who believe. It is the Holy Spirit that sanctifies us and also leads us in righteousness. I believe that Jesus Christ will return to judge the earth.
To answer your question about some of His characteristics: He is abounding in love, gracious (full of grace), merciful, always patient, always kind, always forgiving, He is just, He never fails, He never forgets us, He never leaves us, He is always faithful, always constant.
He is a Judge, He is a Son, He is a Father, He is a Bridegroom, He is jealous for our hearts, He is Love, He is the great I am, Everything good comes from Him.
I do believe that Jesus will come to judge the earth but I believe that He is withholding until the time of the greatest wickedness in order to save many. He desires that all will be saved. So He is patient and He waits to judge. His mercy lasts forever. It is in His mercy that He will judge wickedness in order to defend His beloved ones.
Friend, I know we have a little bit of a language barrier so please let me know if any of this doesn't make sense to you.
I pray that you are blessed and that you will be given ears to hear and eyes to see and understand
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okey my friend firstly i am good in understanding english but i am not very good in expressing my thoughts in english so dont worry i can understand your english well. secondly i have many questions about your answer please dont be annoyed from me. firstly i am a muslim and i would like to know what is your feelings about islam or muslims .secondly i agree with you about the characteristics of the god (allah as we said)but how a very powerful god dies and you said that he is the father and the son and the holy spirit how could anyone be three at one time? .okey these questions are enough for now. please forgive me if you saw that i said something annoying to you mohamed
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I am glad that you understand english well friend! I don't understand any Arabic at all. Please don't worry about annoying me. You can ask me whatever you like. If I don't wish to answer than I won't =-)
I would say that my feelings about Islam are the same way that I feel about anyone who does not believe in Jesus Christ as their saviour. I love muslims and hope that they would know Christ as their saviour. In our bible it says that the Only way to the Father is through the Son. And that is what I believe. I believe that the only way you can receive eternal life is by believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died for you.
Ok, so as far as the trinity. First, you must understand that even christians have a hard time understanding this concept. But God is mysterious and His ways are not like ours. His ways are far above our ways. But one way to think about it is like this: Do you have an earthly father? Is He also a Son? Is he a brother? Is he a husband?
Or You can think of it like this: It is kind of like water, ice and steam They are all the same thing but come it different forms.
I know that it is also hard to understand how a powerful God who created the universe would send His Son as a human to die for our sins. It is very hard to receive. Which is actually the point. It is not meant to be easily received. It was Father God's act of love. His greatest act of love. It was also God showing us how to live in this world. As a Servant. As one who is willing to sacrifice His own Son for another. Christ walked humbly on this earth. He walked among the very ones who He created and they didn't claim Him. Yet He did not smote them instead He allowed them to kill Him in order that many prophecies would be fulfilled and in order that He would create a way for us to be in relationship with God.
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Okey my friend if Allah or god really love us why he made understanding the trinity(himself) so hard .by the way we as muslims we must believe in Jesus but as a prophet from Allah not his son .and when i asked you about muslims i want to know from you what do you know about islam? what is our faith ?.i hope that you are not from people who are knowing about islam from islam haters or from the actions of some muslims who don't represent islam . and the last thing what is this terrible mistake we had done to make god send his son to die ?

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

طيب يا أخي ألا تملك رابط لنرى الحوار على الفايس بوك لعل الله تعالى يعيننا و الأخوة في مساعدتها

بارك الله فيك

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
ايه رايكم فى الكلام كدا انا عندى كلام كتير عايز اقوله بس مش بعرف اعبر عنه بالانجليزى كويس فساعدونى فى الحوار

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

تابع أخي بارك الله فيك فكلامك ممتاز

و انقل كلامها للرد و سأحضر لك غداً إن شاء الرحمن كل النصوص التي تثبت أن الله تعالى كان يغفر الذنوب دون الحاجة لصلب ابنه في العهد القديم
و اعتذر لتأجيل ذلك للغد بسبب انشغالي و لأن الوقت تأخر


جزاك الله كل خير

اذا تكلمت معاها لا تتكلم معاها على انك ما تعرف المسيحية فعلا وانت جاي تدور للخلاص هههههههههه ...
تكلم معاها وخلها تحس انك فاهم كل شي ولكن انت فقط تحب الحوار وتبادل الافكار

هي جابت كلام كثير من صلب المسيحية واحس انها تبغى تدعوك لدينها المحرف
تدرج معها في الكلام واقنعها بالمنطق ان الاسلام والله هو الخلاص الحقيقي
قولها انك اذا اصبحتي مسلمة فانك لن تفقدي المسيح بل انك سوف تومنين به كما يحب هو
وبالدليل طبعا ..

وفي شي مهم جدا وهو الاعجاز العلمي في القران الكريم
انا يوم اتكلم مع ناس مثل هولاء واذكر لهم احد المعجزات العلمية في القران
يتبلكم يصير كانه لا يملك لسان يتحدث به ..

عشان كذا اقولك حول المحادثة ودعها هي التي تسال

واذا سالتها اسالها اسئلة ذكية جدا جدا بحيث اذا تركتك هي وذهبت تبحث لا تجد جواب لاسئلتك
واذا حبيت اني اكتب لك رد ترد به عليها ابشر
انا اكتب لك كلام يطيب الخاطر ..

والله غالب على امره

ايه هو الكلام اللى انت عايز تقوله ونحن نقوم بالترجمه والمساعده فى وضع الاسئله الملائمه ان شاء الله ولو عايزه باى من اللغات ونحن تحت امرك ما استطعت

ربنا يبارك لى يا اختى وتقدرى تساعديها

وجزاك الله خيرا ابو الياسمين

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

أجبها بالتالي أخي الفاضل


I can uderstand from your words that you belive
that the only way a person can get saved and go to Heaven is to believe and accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior who died for him on the cross to purify him from his sins. Anyone who doesn't believe in this would not be saved.

so if you don't mind let us discuss what the bible say about that

and my question will be what must I do to inherit eternal life?

Jesus said: loving GOD Almighty so much and being nice to your neighbors will cause you to have eternal life:
Luke 10
25. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26. "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27. He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "

28. "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

Notice that the man's question was straight forward

No other question can be more straight forward than this. Notice how Jesus answered this straight forward question: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart......and love your neighbor as yourself......Do this and you will live."

Notice that Jesus didn't talk about any trinity-lie concept, nor did he say to the man that he must accept Jesus as a mediator between him and GOD Almighty to win Eternal Life. Jesus was pretty clear and straight forward here: LOVE GOD ALMIGHTY AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOURSELF. That is simply all there is to it to win eternal life in Jesus' standards.

It certainly wasn't necessary for the man who asked the question to believe in trinity in order for him to be saved. Jesus assured him Paradise if he believed otherwise

Here is another incident where Jesus was asked the same exact question by another person:

Luke 18
18. A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

20. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "

21. "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

23. When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.
24. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!
25. Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
26. Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"
27. Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."
28. Peter said to him, "We have left all we had to follow you!"
29. "I tell you the truth," Jesus said to them, "no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God
30. will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life."



Again, we see in Luke 18:18 above, the same exact question was asked to Jesus for the second time on a different occasion


so as you can see from the texts above that the bible didn't say that the Only way to the Father is through the Son

sorry i just can't understand that
why would God need to kill his son ?
what kind of love is that ?
why can't he just forgive our sins by his mercy ?


you know that God is great and thier is no one above him to prevent him from forgiving our sinsso i just want you to read those texts from the Old Testament if you don't mind
Ezekiel 18 -New International Version

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...18&version=NIV
26 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die. 27 But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. 28 Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die.


Deuteronomy 24 - New International Version

16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.



Ezekiel 18 - American Standard Version


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...18&version=ASV

2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?

3 As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.

4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die



Ezekiel 18 -New International Version


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...18&version=NIV

14 "But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things:

15 "He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of the house of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor's wife.

16 He does not oppress anyone
or require a pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.

17 He withholds his hand from sin [c]
and takes no usury or excessive interest.
He keeps my laws and follows my decrees.
He will not die for his father's sin; he will surely live. 18 But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people.

19 "Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?' Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live.

جزاكم الله خيرا

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
جزاكم الله خيرا كلكم وجزاكى الله خيرا اختى كارولينا بس انا مش عايز افهمها ان انا متخصص او كدا .انا عايز اتكلم معاها بالمنطق وبالدليل واقنعها فمش هاقدر اكتبلها الردود دى علشان ماتعرفش انى بنقل من حد متخصص انا عايزكم تساعدونى بلغة انجليزية سليمة يعنى وبكلام منطقى بالعقل بس بسيط
وبالمناسبة هيا بعتتلى الرد دا
It is the glory of God to hide a matter and the glory of kings to search it out Proverbs 25 verse 2 from the Bible. That is all I can really say to explain your first question. It is not unkind or unloving that the trinity is not easy to understand it is actually glorious. We have our whole lives and all of eternity to understand the trinity and to understand God. It is a relationship. When you begin a relationship with someone it takes time to learn and understand everything about them. It is similar with God...except He is unsearchable. So we can enjoy searching out all His wonders for eternity.
I only know very basic things about Islam. I know that you believe that Mohammad was a prophet from God. I know that you do not believe that Jesus was the Son of God. I know that muslims follow the Quran which was written by Mohammad (if I am understanding that correctly). I know that muslims believe in Sharia law which I think is governmental as well as religious. I don't really know all the details of Islam but have learned about it some at school.
I am not an Islam hater. I certainly do not judge islam based on particular actions of some. It is not mine to judge. As I explained before my desire is for everyone to know Jesus as their savior. Whether they are an american, an australian, jewish, or islamic.
To briefly answer your last question, there was a fall that happened along time ago. The fall of man happened in the Garden of Eden. When Adam and Eve chose to disobey God by choosing to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they opened the door to sin. So sin entered the world. Now when we are born we are born as sinners. We choose wickedness and sin naturally out of our fallen nature. But God had a plan. He first sent the law to Moses to show us how to live. Then He sent His Son to die for our sins. So that we could always go throught the Son to the Father. Then He sent His Holy Spirit to live in us and to enable us to live righteously, according to the way He calls us to live. Our instructions on how to live is the bible in its wholeness.
That last question was a very big one. I could explain alot more about sin and why we needed a savior. So please feel free to ask more questions if that doesn't make sense. Really that is the crux of what we have to understand before we can know the Lord. We have to know that we are in need of Him...that we need a saviour. We have to be poor in spirit, realizing our lack and knowing our need.
I personally came to Christ after a life of sin. I tried to live right. I tried to make myself happy. But it just was not possible apart from Jesus. I have never been happier in my life and my circumstances do not speak to it. I am not living "the american dream life". Like some desire here. But I am enjoying life more than ever before because I have one to lean on and one to run to and one to strengthen me when I am weak.
ياريت اكون قدرت اوصلكم انا قصدى ايه
انا مستنى ردودكم عليا علشان ابعتلها منها بس زى مانا قلت كدا
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يا جماعة معلش حد يتابع معايا

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
انا رديت عليها وقلت sorry for being late but i want to consider carefully.i am only 20 years old and i know many things about Islam but not all things so i will ask who knows more than me to reply to you and i sware with Allah that i am searching about truth and i think from your way in speaking that you are searcher for truth too.first thing please don't say mohammed when you talk about the prophet mohammed peace be upon him.say the prophet of islam . i mean please don't mention his name as if he was an ordinary man.by the way when we say eisa (jesus as you said ) we also say prophet eisa peace be upon him .we respect all prophets and who don't respect them can't be a muslim .our prophet mohammed peace be upon him couldn't read and couldn't write .allah sent the angel gebril with the quran on the heart of our prophet mohammed peace be upon him many times .i mean the quran wasn't sent from allah to prophet mohammed peace be upon him in one time .no it was sent in many times .every time was a different situation .the writers of holly quran are the Companionship of our prophet peace be upon him the quran had reached us by hearing and writing and allah says that he is the sender of quran and he will guard it . you said that prophet adam peace be upon him and his wife peace be upon her made a mistake by eating from this tree .what is our fault what is our mistake .if my father did a mistake what is my fault ?and where will the people before coming of jesus go heaven or paradise ?among them there were many prophets they will be in hell or paradise. i am sorry for saying that but i found it very hard to be understood . i think you just believe in it with your emotions .excuse me for my bad english .that is the best i can write and please notice that there are many ideas in my head i can't tell you about it in english .last thing ask me about any thing in islam and i will ask you about christianity and let us answering each other .i hope to hear from you soon
ايه رايكم ؟ وانا اسف مرة تانية ليكى يا اخت كارولينا انى مش هاقدر ابعت ردك للاسباب اللى قلتهالك دى بس انا مهدتلها انى بسال ناس تانية علشان لو عايز اقتبس حاجة بالدليل من كتبهم او كدا وجزاكم الله خيرا كلكم
وانا اسف لو هاتعبكم معايا بس انتو مش عارفين انا احساسى ايه وانا بحاول لاول مرة فى حياتى ادعو حد للاسلام عايز اعمل حاجات كتير بس مش عارف اعملها

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

ردك عليها ممتاز يا أخي و نحن متابعين معك بإذن الله تعالى

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

أخي في الله قد يفيدك الرابط التالي لأخت كانت تسأل عن الاسلام


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