السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
اقترح إن أمكن عمل قائمة بالمواضيع الجاري تفنيدها بأول مشاركة لتعظيم الاستفادة
بارك الله فيكم و اعانكم على المضي قدما
و السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته


بلى هو اقتراح مهم و لكن أتوقع أن من يستطيع عمل ذلك هو مشرف القسم

فيكتب مثل مقدمة فيها بالترقيم و الاسم المواضيع التي تم تفنيدها بالترتيب ( كالفرس) لتسهل للباحث الوصول لما يريد في الموضوع

What the Bible says about Polygamy

Genesis 4:19
And Lamech took unto him two wives.
Genesis 16:1-4
Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. And Sarai ... gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived.
Genesis 25:6
But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had....
Genesis 26:34
Esau ... took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite.
Genesis 31:17
Then Jacob rose up, and set ... his wives upon camels.
Exodus 21:10
If he take him another wife....
Deuteronomy 21:15
If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated....
Judges 8:30
And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.
1 Samuel 1:1-2
Elkanah ... had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah.
2 Samuel 12:7-8
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel ... I gave thee ... thy master's wives....
1 Kings 11:2-3
Solomon ... had seven hundred wives ... and three hundred concubines.
1 Chronicles 4:5
And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah.
2 Chronicles 11:21
Rehoboam ... took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines.
2 Chronicles 13:21
But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives....
2 Chronicles 24:3
Jehoiada took for him two wives....
Mt.25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

You are again harking back to the Old Testament for your examples. This is because it is clear in the New Testament, which is Gods new covenant with mankind that polygamy is against what God ordained. Polygamy in the Bible was never allowed by Gods law but rather an action of men going against Gods law...for their own purposes. It is shown in the Bible as a lesson how not to behave as such as Lamech, David, Solomon and others who were polygamous their lives did not turn out well, it is said that Solomons heart was hardened against God by his polygamous actions.

The clearest verse comes from Jesus in His teaching regarding plural marriage must be Matthew 19 8-9 which is on divorce

Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery." (Matt 19.8-9)

The key thing to note here is that this argument fails if polygamy is acceptable. Jesus' point is that improper divorce does not nullify a marriage, and if the first marriage still stands, then a "second" marriage is adultery--and NOT simply 'polygamy'! This is very clear.

So you should not seek to justify polygamy in the Quran by passages from the Bible. The Old Testament practices you use in your justifications were already superseded by the teachings of Christ. Polygamy is not a decree from God..or ever has been. But a practice of men born from circumstances, traditions, tribal allegiances and mans lusts.

Pandor. Are you not believe in the Old Testament

The Old Testament is what it is, a record of mankind's growth and enlightenment towards God and his plan for us. Gods plan for the salvation of mankind did not happen overnight it was a gradual process. It is also an historical record of the times. It contains the foundation of the Christian faith and we are to learn from the lessons of examples given of the Biblical Patriarchs of that time. You may see your Quran as an instruction manual to be followed verbatim, but then it was formed in a very short period of time 22 years as opposed to a period of 1500 years it took to formulate the Bible. The two are not really comparable in many ways.

The New Testament was the culmination of Gods work. :)

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

“And when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with ‘Salamaa’ (peaceful words of gentleness).” (Qur’an, 25:63)

Salamaa to you. :)


“If they pass by some vain speech or play, they pass by it with dignity.” (Qur’an, 25:72)
Bless you. :)

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and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.(82)

It is better to speak the truth than it is to remain silent and be cursed.

I am a Christian. I don't object to Muhammad having had more than one wife or any Muslim, but I could make an argument for why Muhammad was conveniently able to have way more than four wives which was more than his revelation allowed. I don't understand the double standard. Shouldn't he be the model for all Muslims? Another thing that puzzles me is the age of his youngest wife and having intercourse with her as a child still playing with her dolls, if I am understanding the hadiths correctly.

Because Muhammad is a prophet and we are not !


who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones !
the prophet Solomon PBUH had 700 wives & 300 concubines !


1Kings 11 : 3

And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

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Another thing that puzzles me is the age of his youngest wife and having intercourse with her as a child still playing with her dolls, if I am understanding the hadiths correctly.

dolls are not only 4 childs colleague !

Des chercheurs du groupe d'électronique japonais Fujitsu ont imaginé un ourson en peluche robotisé, aux grands yeux noirs et petit minois espiègle, pour tenir compagnie aux personnes âgées et contribuer à l'éveil des enfants.

the Japanese electronics group" Fujitsu " devised a robotic teddy bear to keep company to the elderly





https://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2010...r-enfants.html





and we have more :

Normal Menstrual Cycle - Menarche and the Teenage Menstrual Cycle:
Menarche (say "MEN-ar-kee") is a girl's first menstrual cycle. A first period usually happens after several years of pubic hair growth, breast development, and rapid growth known as a "growth spurt." Menarche most commonly happens sometime between ages 11 and 14.6 It normally happens as early as age 9 or up to age 15. If you are a teenage girl, see your doctor if you have not started having periods by age 15

https://www.webmd.com/women/tc/normal...enstrual-cycle

In 1997, Herman-Giddens et al1 reported evidence that young girls in the United States, especially black girls, are developing pubertal characteristics earlier than currently used norms. Trained pediatrician examiners who were part of the Pediatric Research in Office Settings (PROS) network staged breast and pubic hair development in >17 000 girls between the ages of 3 and 12 years. Results showed that the mean age of onset of breast development, which had been close to 11 years in earlier studies,2-4 is now approximately 10 years in white and just under 9 years in black girls

https://pediatrics.aappublications.or...eid=pediatrics


below the list of youngest birth mothers :



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._birth_mothers