السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
احتاج مساعدتكم في الرد على هذا . حيث انني قمت بارسال محادثة دارت بين الشيخ عبدالمحسن الاحمد ورجلان احدهما بلغاري والاخر امريكي الى احد الملحدين عبر الايميل . ردود الرجل الملحد تجدونها باللون الاسود اما بقية الالوان فهي المحادثة بين الشيخ عبدالمحسن الاحمد والرجلان
A Bulgarian man Ask me : do you believe that Jesus was born from mother without a father
I said : yes ,we do . This is in our book (Quran ) and we have sura named Mary
The Bulgarian man Said : who is his father
I said : yes , this is true . Your speech is logic . How is he born from a mother alone without a father! was this the reason you call him the son of Allah ؟
The Bulgarian man said : yes
I said : I will give you an
example of a human being that you believe in ,
He was created without father and mother
:Allah said in Quran
{ إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَى عِنْدَ اللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ آَدَمَ خَلَقَهُ مِنْ تُرَابٍ }
Indeed , the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam . He created him from dust then he said to him “Be” and he was
I said : Do you know any father or mother for Adam
He said : no,,,,your speech is true
The Bulgarian man said : but Jesus – peace be upon him – can make dead people back to life
I said to him : also this is in Quran in surat Al- maeda
{ وَإِذْ تُخْرِجُ الْمَوْتَى بِإِذْنِي}
and when you brought forth the dead with My permission
The Bulgarian man said : that means that jesus has a god character
I Said : I will give you a verse from Quran that tells us there is a man who did Something greater than Jesus .What did Jesus do ? Allah take out the soul then let Jesus return the soul back to life And I will tell you about another man who had done Something more difficult.
Moses -peace be upon him – changed the plant into an animal .
Which is more difficult, returning back a soul or changing plant into animal ?
The Bulgarian man said: What Moses did is more difficult
I said : So not everyone who can do like this have a god character
This is a very good example of the Socratic method.
One thing you need to understand, though, I am not a Christian. I am not a believer, I am a kafir. I do not believe in Abraham, Moses, Jesus, or Allah. I am an atheist.
An American man asked me about Equality : why don't you have equality between men and women in your religion?
You should increase woman salary more than this because she gets more tired according to her weakness , Or you should decrease her working hours , tell me about any institution or governmental department in the world which respects woman and gives her a break during her menstruation week because of the pains , changes , Neurological or physical hormones – , so have a break for a week every month .
Is there Any institution or governmental department in the world does like this !! No you’ll not find throughout the whole world
This is actually an argument that the feminists make here in the USA. There are laws against discrimination against women if they are pregnant, etc... But again, the story you present here is a good example of the Socratic Method.
I wish I could speak Arabic, so forgive me. I hope you can understand what I write. I am still learning Spanish, and there is a lot of nuance in learning another language. I am having trouble with the format of your emails.
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And the great Islam gave her a break even in the second Pillar of Islam (prayer) because of her tiredness and physiology changes she does not pray sometimes . Although prayer is the basic pillar of Islam, she is excused not to pray while she is tired . prayer is about 15 minutes or less but when she is tired she does not pray
The one who does not pray in our religion is considered Unbeliever -Kafer- but when she is tired she does not pray and she is not Unbeliever .
can you find any religion respects woman like that
Also during pilgrimage -Hajj – when she is tired she gets a rest and she does not make Hajj during her menstruation when she is tired .
Islam pillars are five . We have three of them need much efforts , Islam excused woman not to do These three , respecting her special Situation (menstruation) Tell me about any religion in the world that respects woman like that
she does not make hajj , prayer or fasting, because of her situation .
The American man said : Why do you give woman just one third of the heritage and you give male two thirds of it
I said :because if The heritage was 90000 we divide it 30000 for female and 60000 for male
the amount of 30000 given to woman won't be paid by her to any man as dowry and it won't be spent on any man for building a house for a man
and she won't pay her money to rent a house for any man and she does not have to buy clothes for his sons . she is totally free about her own money
on the other hand the man who took 60000 will pay dowry for his wife , housing her in a home , spending money for her and the kids for food , clothes , drink etc
so during a year his 60000 will be finished while the woman’s 30000 will stay in her property while her payments and her clothes come from the man
I said to him : Let us travel for example from Qatar to USA and I will give you money 5 times more than what I will take with me
for example we have 60000 So you will take 50000 and I’ll take 10000 and we’ll travel to USA
and the payments and tickets are paid from your money also our staying for 4 months and traveling payments and all payments in total will be paid by you
The American man said : NO , you take 50000 and I’ll take 10000
Then he asked me : Why should a woman go out with a man from her family (mahram)
I said : The king when he gets out does he go out alone
He said : No , bodyguards should be with him
I said : Who pay for bodyguards
He said : The King
I said : Can The king travel alone
He said : No , bodyguards should be with him .
I said : Why ?
He said : to guard him
I said : Almighty Allah ordered us to guard woman
because the woman is honored in Islam, she must be guarded. Even if her guard was at work or in a battle, he must take a holiday or come back from a battle in order to guard her
But she does not pay for this guard
The man himself is her guard. He pays her money , protects her and looks after her
He should be with her even if he leaves his job and work to do so. this is the life of the kings
I said : in the US when a female is 18 years old, her father sends her out of his house
Or she should pay a rent or mange herself !! How could this weak woman manage herself
for this reason there is a million Children born of adultery and this was several years ago
And now they are Increasing , A formal Statistics says that there is a million Children born of adultery found in streets
search it at RAIWN organization
It is an American organization its statistics are formal , see it yourself
they say that in every 82 seconds one woman in America is raped. You see : “raped” not only adultery
every Case is reported and there is tens of cases which are not reported because the raped is young and because of fearing that the girl might lose the confidence
Yes, there are problems in Western society. I do not believe the solution is religion, I believe the solution is secular culture and secular law.
And 78% of raping cases are between relatives and colleagues
He asked me : Why your men get married to four women
I said : I will tell you about a truth maybe you will hear it for the first time
Quran is the only Holy book which defines how many women you can marry to
{فانكحوا ما طاب لكم من النساء مثنى وثلاث ورباع فإن خفتم ألا تعدلوا فواحدة}
then marry those that please you of [other> women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only> one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice>
An-Nisa – verse 3
In Bible Sulaiman -peace up on him- married to 99 women
( they do not know their Bible and they want to debate us about getting married to four women
And in the Old Testament,there is who got married to 104 women – ( and they do not know that in their Holly book )
I said to him : I’ll tell you about a statistic shows that women are more than men
In UK there are 7,9 - about 8 – million women more than men
In Germany 9 million
In North America there are 6 million women more than men
this means that if every single man got married only to one of them this means that 6 million of these women won't be mothers or wives. They won't have any home , passion or anything
she has two choices : either she has to go to share a married man his life in illegal manner without establishing a home for her, without any money or rights
or she has to stay without being Mom or anything else
I said to the American man : Imagine that your sister was among these six million what will you choose for her from among these two choices
He said : I won't choose anyone of them
and there is international statistics that show that men’s death percentage is more than women’s
Men die in wars. And as for medical reasons, death rates of male babies are more than those of females
He asked me : Why women are not allowed to be married to four men
As a kafir, I think adults should be able to do whatever they want. If a man wants to marry several women, and they want to marry him, I have no problem with that. I do not care what other people do in their own private lives. It does not affect me. If you want to be Muslim, then be Muslim. If you want to marry 4 women, then do it. But then you need to let me make my own decisions too. If I want to be a kafir, that is my decision, and does not affect you. If I want to be a Hindu and worship multiple gods, that is my choice.
!!I said : we cannot find a single man for her so how about four
At the end of the dialogue the American man said to me
we are in a complete dim here in America , work and work and after work we watch our media which makes us think that Muslims are terrorists
It always concentrates on cutting the thief's hand in Islam
I said : Islam is Fighting terrorism
if you steal others' money we’ll cut your hand
if we cut one hand we will teach a million not to steal
He said : How do you Fight terrorism while you Cut the murder’s head
I said : do you have any children
He said : Yes I have four of them
I said : What if I killed one of them , What would you do
He said : I’ll kill you
I said : Why would you kill me if I killed your son ? And when we make a punishment like that to a killer of another father’s kid, you say no
Do you have mercy with the killer and don't do with the murdered
There is a big problem with Islam. We are free in our own country to create videos that insult the Prophet. This is our country. You can't tell us not to do that. Islam has no jurisdiction in America. Al Qaeda is calling for jihad because of the video. This is why America sends bombs into Muslim countries. You declared war on us, we did not declare war on you. So if you declare jihad, then yes, we will send bombs to your country. That's how war works.
And another Christian asked me
Please remember, I am not a Christian. I am an atheist.
and said : Islam Is a great religion but the problem with Islam is that Islam restricts freedom
I said : what is your job
He said : I’m a Surgeon
I said : and you don't like anything that opposes your freedom, do you?
He said : yes
I said : great
And I asked him: when do you start work?
he said : I start at 7 O’clock
I said : Then tomorrow go to work at 9 instead of 7
He said : No I can't
I said : Why
he said : they will give me a warning if I was late
I said : So why do you agree while they are restricting your freedom obligating you to come at 7 O’clock
I said : You are a Surgeon, so when you enter the surgery room you make a little cleaning for 5 minutes
Tomorrow, don’t wash your hands , don’t wear any gloves and start the surgery directly
Tell me Why are you obliged to wear gloves every time and you may get allergy
He said : I can’t
I said : Why
He said : They’ll expel me from my job
I said : But they are obliging you to wear gloves and come at 7 O’clock so they are restricting your freedom
I said : why do you insist on working with them ? for your salary
I said : you agree that they restrict your freedom, making you come to work at 7 AM while you might have slept late the previous night. And every surgery you are obliged to wash your hands and wear gloves, however you are patient for your salary
As for us, we are patient and content because at the end we'll go to Paradise
Your freedom is restricted when it conflicts with others' freedom
when you come to the surgery you wear gloves to protect others from infection
and you arrive on time so that you are not late for patients
Thus Islam gave us freedom but without conflicting others' freedom
We are free in looking at our women – wives, daughters, sisters, aunts, etc. - but not others' women
We are free in drinking anything, but not a harmful drink like alcohol which does not protect us even from ourselves
what you drink should protect you even from your self
But what about the freedom of non-believers? I do not believe in Allah, I do not believe in Jesus, I do not believe in any god. What about my rights?
there were people killed over that stupid Youtube video.
Morsi, et. al. are saying there should be an international law against
insulting prophets.
What about when people burn the American flag? This is insulting to me,
this is humiliating to Americans. If there is a law against insulting
prophets, shouldn't there also be a law against burning the American flag
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