Debate about Christian false dogma with the Russian priest Emmanuel

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Emmanuel Said

Hey Habeeb

Wednesday is my busy day and could not sit to respond as I promised. forgive me for that please. I hope to get sometimes tomorrow to write my answer back. please bear with me in this ... I will get to you with an answer
P. Emmanuel

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Habeeb Abd-ElMalek Said

Hey Emmanuel

Waiting for your reply, Point by point, take your time .. Get wisdom get understanding

The bible says .. "Get wisdom get understanding" Proverbs 4:5 NIV

and says .. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding" Proverbs 9:10 NIV

Paul says .. "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent" 1 Corinthians 1:19 NKJV

[احمد العربى]

Many thanks to you my dear brother, Dr. Habeeb for this more than wonderful and important work ,for that, The topic has been fixed now.
With all my cordially greetings,
Your brother in the Islam/Ahmed Alarabi.

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Emmanuel Said

Hello Here I am this morning with the first part of my answer.

Jesus has God

It is really clear that you can not make a doctrine or understand it on one verse. You can read a book with a mind of openness or sckeptically try to undermind it. This is true. But as you say that DO NOT BE ARROGANT(what I really do not understand, what you mean by arrogant?) I am fine with that.

First the mission of Jesus Christ to mankind consist of redemption and salvation of men. He is in this as you read the gospels presented as: SON OF GOD, SON OF MAN, SERVANT AND GOD. John 1: 1-14. John 5:25-27. John 8:25 and 58. (chek this with Genesis 3:14-15) Even more is this John 14:1-10 Colossians 2:14-17. 1st John 5:20.

Jesus is a Prophet of God

To be followed... I have to go now...

Best Regards

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Habeeb Abd-ElMalek Said

Hey Emmanuel

a- It is will known from the Bible that the WORD of God is not God, read
"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth
" Isaia 55:11 NKJV

"Hear the word which the LORD speaks to you" Jeremiah 10:1 New King James Version


b- If John 1:1 "the Word was God" and John 1:14 "The Word became flesh" are true
Then we can say The Word = God and The word = is Flesh then God = Flesh

c- John himself says in his gospel by the tongue of Jesus "God is Spirit" .. He didn't say God is flesh

d- The flesh died on the cross "Christ died" Romans 5:8 (KJV)

e- GOD has everlasting life "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see" 1 Timothy 6:16 KJV
"He alone has everlasting life" 1 Timothy 6:16 Worldwide English New Testament

f- The proof that John didn't say that Jesus is God his saying in John 20:31
"Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" .. he didn't say jesus is GodPaul confirmed that we have only one God THE FATHER not the son
for us we have only on God THE FATHER"

g- The translation of John 1: 1 is not correct and we will see by the provesfrom the Greek versions

This is John 1:1 from the Greek version Westcott-hort new testament
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος

A- The Word = ο λογος
means inspiration of God and it is mentioned in John 10:35
If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the scri ure cannot be broken) John 10:35 (NKJV)

ει εκεινους ειπεν θεους προς ους ο λογος του θεον εγενετο και ου δυναται λυθηναι η γραφη

B- You can see here also the word
θεους = plural of θεος = gods
It was given to the childern of Israel by Jesus so you can consider them as God because they are given the the same word given to Jesus in John 1:1
C- Also you can see the word
θεος
to be given to the belly - abdomen by Paul in Philippians 3:19.. so you can consider the belly - abdomen as God because it is given the the same word given to Jesus in John 1:1

θεος = god
"whose god is their belly" Philippians 3:19
ων το τελος απωλεια ων ο θεος η κοιλια και η δοξα εν τη αισχυνη αυτων οι τα επιγεια φρονουντες
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...:19&version=68

D- Also you can see the word
θεος
to be given to the Golden calf by the writer of the book of Acts .. so you can consider the calf as God because they are given the the same word given to Jesus in John 1:1
"Make us gods to go before us" Acts 7:40

"τουτον ο θεος ηγειρεν τη τριτη ημερα και εδωκεν αυτον εμφανη γενεσθαι" ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΠΟΣΤΟΛΩΝ 7:40 1881 Westcott-Hort New Testament
So

Jesus is θεος
The Calf is θεος

So Jesus = Calf

and If Jesus is God so Calf is God

To be Continued

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Habeeb Abd-Elmalek Said

Hey Emmanuel

Let us know who is Jesus from the Bible

a- Jesus said he is the prophet like Moses "If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me" John 5:46 NIV

b- The true Prphet like Moses will not be killed "The LORD said to me: "What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death"

c- God said I am against the prophets who wag their own tongues and yet declare The LORD declares" Jeremiah 23:31 NIV If Jesus was killed so he must be a false prophet.

d- Jesus said he has the right to be the follower king of David because he is David's descendant and this was not true

Was Joseph the true father of Jesus
A- If no, then Jesus has no right to take David's chair and he was a false prophet, so he was killed for that
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B- If yes, Joseph is the true father of Jesus, so Jesus is bastard the bible says "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD" Deuteronomy 23 KJV
, So Jesus was a false prophet and he died for that

e- The family tree of Jesus in Mathew is completely different from that in Luke? Why? Sure it is Faked family tree

f- Joseph in Mathew is the son of Jacob "Matthan begat Jacob; And Jacob begat Joseph" .. of While he is the son of Heli in Luke "Joseph, which was the son of Heli, Which was the son of Matthat"

To be continued

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Habeeb Abd-ElMalek Said

Hey Emmanuel

Read the following with full understanding

a- The Bible says "Jesus said to him, Let the dead bury their own dead" .. Luke 9:60

Jesus here in the previous verse means that there are some guys interested only in this life
he said that these guys are dead not alive because they are only making for life

b- So Jesus means that the guys insisting in doing the sins are dead, but when they hear Jesus then they
will obey God's law and orders .. and God's advice is giving life .. again he is confirming that in John 5:24 .. I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life

Now let's see what is the meaning of John 5:25-27

A- I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live John 5:25-27

The meaning

Son of God a title was given to David, Jacob, Solomon, Ephriam, Adam and to the all of the childeren of Israel
and the remaining was explained before

For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself

The meaning

Who granted life to the other .. Father granted life to Jesus .. So The Father is greater than Jesus .. For us we have only one God, the Father .. as Paul said

And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man

The meaning

God the Father gave Jesus the authority of Judge .. So, who is donner .. Who is the original owner of the authorithy .. Who is stronger .. also this verse is contradicting Matthew 20:23 .. to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared
by my Father

Thank you

To be continued