Debate about Christian false dogma with the Russian priest Emmanuel

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Emmanuel said

Mr Habeeb

Thank you for your remarquable quotation of bible verses and your comments(understanding) of them. I want really to answer to your questions or points. I hope that you really want to know the truth to be set free... By the time type these lines it is 1.30 a.m. in Moscow. I will tomorrow during the day answer your message point by point. I do respect your interest (if you are interested) and will like to give you a full and through explaination of the verses and conclusions you made on them. I am thinking of giving you more verses to be red by you and please undestand that I will do this with reseves as you may think(as many do) that the Bible has contradictions in Itself. There is no doubt that the one who is in the house can tell yu what he sees with occuracy, unless he instead wants to lie you. So thanks and expect my answer tomorrow

Best regards

P. Emmanuel Mukendi

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Habeeb Abd-Elmalek Said

Hey Emmaneul
How are you now

I'm waiting for you reply point by point .. as you promised to disscuss with each other

I hope you will not be an arrogant. You have to know that I'm great scholar in the bible

Please you have to use you supporting ********s from the Bible

Please use your brain, understanding and your wisdom:
Blessed is the man who finds wisdom, the man who gains understanding
Proverbs 3:13 NIV

By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in placeProverbs 3:19 New International Version

Discretion will protect you, and understanding will guard you
Proverbs 2:11 NIV

Don't ignore the previous sayings as Paul ordered you saying

I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate
1Corinthians 1:19 NIV

I will destroy the wisdom of the wise And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent
1Corinthians 1:19 NKJV


Waiting for your reply .. O.K. point by point as you said

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Emmanuel Said

Hey Habeeb

Wednesday is my busy day and could not sit to respond as I promised. forgive me for that please. I hope to get sometimes tomorrow to write my answer back. please bear with me in this ... I will get to you with an answer
P. Emmanuel

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Habeeb Abd-ElMalek Said

Hey Emmanuel

Waiting for your reply, Point by point, take your time .. Get wisdom get understanding

The bible says .. "Get wisdom get understanding" Proverbs 4:5 NIV

and says .. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding" Proverbs 9:10 NIV

Paul says .. "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent" 1 Corinthians 1:19 NKJV

[احمد العربى]

Many thanks to you my dear brother, Dr. Habeeb for this more than wonderful and important work ,for that, The topic has been fixed now.
With all my cordially greetings,
Your brother in the Islam/Ahmed Alarabi.

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Emmanuel Said

Hello Here I am this morning with the first part of my answer.

Jesus has God

It is really clear that you can not make a doctrine or understand it on one verse. You can read a book with a mind of openness or sckeptically try to undermind it. This is true. But as you say that DO NOT BE ARROGANT(what I really do not understand, what you mean by arrogant?) I am fine with that.

First the mission of Jesus Christ to mankind consist of redemption and salvation of men. He is in this as you read the gospels presented as: SON OF GOD, SON OF MAN, SERVANT AND GOD. John 1: 1-14. John 5:25-27. John 8:25 and 58. (chek this with Genesis 3:14-15) Even more is this John 14:1-10 Colossians 2:14-17. 1st John 5:20.

Jesus is a Prophet of God

To be followed... I have to go now...

Best Regards

[Habeebabdelmalek]

Habeeb Abd-ElMalek Said

Hey Emmanuel

a- It is will known from the Bible that the WORD of God is not God, read
"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth
" Isaia 55:11 NKJV

"Hear the word which the LORD speaks to you" Jeremiah 10:1 New King James Version


b- If John 1:1 "the Word was God" and John 1:14 "The Word became flesh" are true
Then we can say The Word = God and The word = is Flesh then God = Flesh

c- John himself says in his gospel by the tongue of Jesus "God is Spirit" .. He didn't say God is flesh

d- The flesh died on the cross "Christ died" Romans 5:8 (KJV)

e- GOD has everlasting life "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see" 1 Timothy 6:16 KJV
"He alone has everlasting life" 1 Timothy 6:16 Worldwide English New Testament

f- The proof that John didn't say that Jesus is God his saying in John 20:31
"Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" .. he didn't say jesus is GodPaul confirmed that we have only one God THE FATHER not the son
for us we have only on God THE FATHER"

g- The translation of John 1: 1 is not correct and we will see by the provesfrom the Greek versions

This is John 1:1 from the Greek version Westcott-hort new testament
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος

A- The Word = ο λογος
means inspiration of God and it is mentioned in John 10:35
If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the scri ure cannot be broken) John 10:35 (NKJV)

ει εκεινους ειπεν θεους προς ους ο λογος του θεον εγενετο και ου δυναται λυθηναι η γραφη

B- You can see here also the word
θεους = plural of θεος = gods
It was given to the childern of Israel by Jesus so you can consider them as God because they are given the the same word given to Jesus in John 1:1
C- Also you can see the word
θεος
to be given to the belly - abdomen by Paul in Philippians 3:19.. so you can consider the belly - abdomen as God because it is given the the same word given to Jesus in John 1:1

θεος = god
"whose god is their belly" Philippians 3:19
ων το τελος απωλεια ων ο θεος η κοιλια και η δοξα εν τη αισχυνη αυτων οι τα επιγεια φρονουντες
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...:19&version=68

D- Also you can see the word
θεος
to be given to the Golden calf by the writer of the book of Acts .. so you can consider the calf as God because they are given the the same word given to Jesus in John 1:1
"Make us gods to go before us" Acts 7:40

"τουτον ο θεος ηγειρεν τη τριτη ημερα και εδωκεν αυτον εμφανη γενεσθαι" ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΠΟΣΤΟΛΩΝ 7:40 1881 Westcott-Hort New Testament
So

Jesus is θεος
The Calf is θεος

So Jesus = Calf

and If Jesus is God so Calf is God

To be Continued