[QUOTE=huria;601031]yes there is... Out of Gods mercy the penalty for my sin has been paid, so I can be made righteous in order to humble myself before God and be repentant. You will bear the penalty of your sin..
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wishy washytalk as always, answer direct what is the point of your savior dying on the cross for the sin?? What sin is he dying for??
wishy washy talk!!! Indeed. I tried to make it simple for you.. The Bible teaches that every human being has sinned. To sin is anything that is against Gods Holy Character. We all deserve judgement.. And because God is just He cannot allow sin to go unpunished, as God is eternal then also any sin against Him is also eternal.. Which follows a deserving punishment must be eternal. That punishment is eternal death. That is why we accept Jesus as our Saviour..because as Gods will His perfect sacrifice in His eternal word made flesh... Jesus. Thus we do not suffer eternal death and separation from God. You really should not mock what you do not understand. I am trying to explain why a Christian accepts Jesus as Saviour. You feel you don't need a saviour.. Where's the problem?

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We say it is Adam original sin?? They say no we do not inherit sin
So tell me Pandora are babies born sinless in your believe ? please answer direct once
Yes babies are sinless. As they have committed no sin.
Well, for sure it makes no sense to me. You are asking me to believe that God created Satan as evil so as to be destined to hell.. I believe that God is holy and pure and all that is good, it is not possible for God to be the author of evil. Evil exists by nature of free choice. Satan authored his own destiny to Hell through his disobedience to God.

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Why do you enjoy twisting the words, where did I say God made him this way??
I said he chose that way, he has free will he worshiped God, then he refused to obey God, so you think God has to reward him???
maybe the fault is mine that I possibly misunderstood your reply.. Maybe you are not as clear as you think you are.. And assume a level of knowledge about Islam in me that you have yourself. Which obviously is not the case. I have read the Quran.. In fact I have checked a few things today... However.. I am not a Muslim and do not have an army of Islamic scholars at my call to assist me the better. If I misunderstand something I read in the Quran then by all means correct me. I am trying to do the same with your misconceptions about Christianity. But... You are not interested in any points I make except to ridicule or attempt to prove in error... From your perspective. Then I see no point in dialogue because neither of us will gain anything useful.

Do not twist my words... I did not say he was created good.. I quoted what you said .. He was created a great servant. I asked why... For what purpose? Which you did not answer. But gave me a pocket account of what you believe about jin.. As the Bible does not mention Jin.. I don't know what they are, what is their purpose and why God created another strata of beings apart from angels and men.. This is your belief and it does not overly concern me. I just said I find the Bibles account more believable and gives us a better understanding of the nature of sin and it's effect.
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I do not twist your words, that is your job. Good or great, same thing he is just God creation, he chose to be good for certain time but after Adam’s creation he disobeyed God. Jinn like human have free will, and are accountable before God. So God did not chose his path he did it himself, been good before does not guarantee you eternal life forever.
we obviously have widely different views on angels and Satan.. Which is odd if we are to accept that out respective scriptures are from the same God. Why was jinn not mentioned in the Bible? Every part of Gods glorious creation is recorded but no mention of jinn.. That's why I don't know anything about jinn or understand their purpose, you could have taken the time to constructively explain this..

differing of beliefs on this matter is immaterial. However, the Bible states angels did sin and for that they were cast from the heavens.. Difference being their sin is eternal with no chance of redemption.. Unlike mankind.

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We do not believe that, why would angel’s sin be worse?? or no chance of redemption? Please think that through, so they have free will just like us, and God would forgive us but not them!!! Is that just?
i know you don't believe that! As I believe in the Bible then I do and it makes sense why if you understand how angels are portrayed in the Bible. The angels elect stayed with God and continue to do His will, the fallen reside with Satan and do his will. Consider that God created angels higher than man and therefore angels have a greater understanding of God than we do. Therefore.. For them to disobey God has a greater implication. They had choice they chose satan over God.. They condemned themselves.

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As I said Islam teaches that Iblis was from Jinn who have free well, and difference between his sin and of Adam’s that Adam (pbuh) after committing a mistake (Eating the forbidden fruit), repented.

They said, "Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers." [Surat Al-'A`rf 7:23]

And Allah accepts his repentence.

Qur'an 2:37 :Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.

And Indeed, If Iblees had repented after committing the mistake, Allah would have forgiven him.

Qur'an 5:39 :But whoever repents after his wrongdoing and reforms, indeed, Allah will turn to him in forgiveness. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
That's why I looked up the Quran today because this what you say of Iblis being a jinn and not an angel... I remembered something and it puzzled me, you can I expect explain.. This sura.. 2:34

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And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.
Sorry about the tiny font I copied and pasted... From http://quran.com/2/34

my understanding here is God telling the ANGELS to prostrate before Adam.. Yet Iblees refused.. Does that not seem to include Iblees as part of the Angels? Why does it not say the angels and Iblees? Thereby implying Iblees was different from the angels.

And what on earth do you mean by "mistake" !!! The sin of disobedience against a Holy God can hardly be classed as a mere mistake. Do you view some sins as mistakes!!

lol... Like time span has that much importance. Or even the number of Adams progeny.. So by your hypothesis Adam was still not much good as a prophet.. Seeing the rise of pagan religions.. Did his own family fail to listen to him? For sure his sons did not as brother killed brother.
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Lol indeed, you see the difference between us and Christians, we believe what the Quran tell us. For you might just think it is another bible story, so you can’t gasp that 1000 years, and I did not say people started pagan worship, but he lived nearly 1000 years, and he was guidance to his children. The Quran does not tell us what happened in 1000 years but we can see what happen to people, that why they need a messenger after a messenger. After Jesus followers died, a new religion emerged and claimed to be from Jesus peace be upon him.
Sorry but this rather flippant reply does nothing to further understanding. Unlike the Quran the Bible does tell us what happened in the intervening years.. Are you referring to Islam as the new religion.. Because for sure it has nothing of the teachings if Jesus? And it is as different from the previous revelation as could be.. You do not mention how long after the "followers" died this occurred. By followers I take it to mean disciples.. What of the thousands of followers that followed them? Did they all just disappear????

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We are the son of Adam all of us, and if one of us is in the wrong path, it has nothing to do with him that what he was sent to teach people, as I wrote in summary the difference between us in this story

The whole story of Adam and Eve in the Quran clearly teaches us the that humans have freedom of will, responsibility for their choice of action and the consequent accountability before God. God says in the Quran: “And no bearer of burdens shall bear another’s burden.” (Quran 35:18)

the Bible also teaches we have freedom of will, and are responsible for our choices. Where it differs is the importance it places on sin and it's eternal consequences for us, the chasm that sin creates between us and God is far wider and deeper than we can breach alone and for that we were given a Saviour. God has to be just as He is merciful and above all God is love.

Peace unto you...

don't know why the font has changed to tiny.