Adam and Eve in the Bible and the Quran

[pandora]

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Jazak Allah khair brother Muhmmad, I think your reply to the verses of so called

"prophecy of Crucifixion" deserve a new thread.

Huria, I would go as far as to say the brothers reply is deserving of a new thread. However, if it is felt a new thread would better serve the topic then go ahead and make one.

In regards to the brothers replies, which I do have some issues with.. in order to give them worthy consideration I will reply when I have given it more time, as on first reading it seems rather disjointed and I want to be sure I understand what the brother is saying here. I find his shouting... (Constant use of upper case letters) off putting.. Sorry it has to be said.

Peace unto you

[محمد سني 1989]

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Huria, I would go as far as to say the brothers reply is deserving of a new thread. However, if it is felt a new thread would better serve the topic then go ahead and make one.

In regards to the brothers replies, which I do have some issues with.. in order to give them worthy consideration I will reply when I have given it more time, as on first reading it seems rather disjointed and I want to be sure I understand what the brother is saying here. I find his shouting... (Constant use of upper case letters) off putting.. Sorry it has to be said.

Peace unto you

With respect to big letters I have already explained the reason and purpose of that in a different subject. As for my answer being disjointed, I think you should reconsider such a statement since your previous response of prophecies shows huge mistakes and evidence of copying and pasting from christian websites. I am trying to be polite here but the fact is that you obviously have not read the old testament especially genesis nor have you read the context and history of the book of Isiaih or you would not have included such misunderstanding and mistakes in your previous response

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[pandora]

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With respect to big letters I have already explained the reason and purpose of that in a different subject. As for my answer being disjointed, I think you should reconsider such a statement since your previous response of prophecies shows huge mistakes and evidence of copying and pasting from christian websites. I am trying to be polite here but the fact is that you obviously have not read the old testament especially genesis nor have you read the context and history of the book of Isiaih or you would not have included such misunderstanding and mistakes in your previous response

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Apologies I missed that explanation. It does seem disjointed and that's why I need to read it carefully. As I don't have the facility to post directly on this forum or even edit my posts for errors as other muslims members have, I have to wait till my post appears on the forum, there have been many times it is not as I had wished but am at that point unable to effect any change. I see in my post the bits I copied there was a table of facts which did not copy successfully.. This could be to do with the device I use an iPad rather than PC.. Some functionality is lost.

I will ignore your last comment.. In regards to my lack of knowledge on the OT. You make a great many mistakes yourself, so I don't think it polite or useful in pointing out the imperfections of others. I try my best to explain to the best of my ability and with honesty. I am not a theologian but an ordinary Christian woman. If that's not good enough for you then we have no further need to converse and I hope you find someone who's intellect matches your own.

Peace unto you.

[محمد سني 1989]

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Apologies I missed that explanation. It does seem disjointed and that's why I need to read it carefully. As I don't have the facility to post directly on this forum or even edit my posts for errors as other muslims members have, I have to wait till my post appears on the forum, there have been many times it is not as I had wished but am at that point unable to effect any change. I see in my post the bits I copied there was a table of facts which did not copy successfully.. This could be to do with the device I use an iPad rather than PC.. Some functionality is lost.

I will ignore your last comment.. In regards to my lack of knowledge on the OT. You make a great many mistakes yourself, so I don't think it polite or useful in pointing out the imperfections of others. I try my best to explain to the best of my ability and with honesty. I am not a theologian but an ordinary Christian woman. If that's not good enough for you then we have no further need to converse and I hope you find someone who's intellect matches your own.

Peace unto you.

It is up to you if you want to ignore my comments, and as for my mistakes then you are welcome to point them out if they are there , I am not being rude I am explaining the situation as it is . It is important before you suggest a claim or copy and paste something to make sure if it is right or not , like you claimed that the moses law always required blood to repent but in fact that is not the case as I have showed you from the book of jonah, you also claimed that christianity never claimed that those before jesus peace be upon him were not in sin but in sin nature where in the new testament paul contradicts this claim and affirms that those before jesus were in actual inheritted sin. Also you have not answered the fact that the context of genessis puts the blaim on eve where in satan seduced eve and eve seduced adam and when asked adam put the blame on eve and god replied to her why have you done this eve a clear statement in the bible showing that eve is more to blme than adam and thats what paul also taught as I have quoted from the new testament. My point is simple if you are going to make a claim about something please make sure it is actually true or as you say within your bible

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[pandora]

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It is up to you if you want to ignore my comments, and as for my mistakes then you are welcome to point them out if they are there , I am not being rude I am explaining the situation as it is . It is important before you suggest a claim or copy and paste something to make sure if it is right or not , like you claimed that the moses law always required blood to repent but in fact that is not the case as I have showed you from the book of jonah, you also claimed that christianity never claimed that those before jesus peace be upon him were not in sin but in sin nature where in the new testament paul contradicts this claim and affirms that those before jesus were in actual inheritted sin. Also you have not answered the fact that the context of genessis puts the blaim on eve where in satan seduced eve and eve seduced adam and when asked adam put the blame on eve and god replied to her why have you done this eve a clear statement in the bible showing that eve is more to blme than adam and thats what paul also taught as I have quoted from the new testament. My point is simple if you are going to make a claim about something please make sure it is actually true or as you say within your bible

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Please could you repost what you feel you have proved from the Book of Jonah? Can you restrict it to the point in hand so it does not get lost in a sea of other facts. I can see you are very keen to refute every single aspect you can in regards to biblical scripture. However, I find the points you make get lost..

Could be my fault... What with my knowledge of my faith being so woefully inadequate... As you like to imply ;) :) keep it simple. I will try my best within my ability to answer.

Peace unto you.

[محمد سني 1989]

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Please could you repost what you feel you have proved from the Book of Jonah? Can you restrict it to the point in hand so it does not get lost in a sea of other facts. I can see you are very keen to refute every single aspect you can in regards to biblical scripture. However, I find the points you make get lost..

Could be my fault... What with my knowledge of my faith being so woefully inadequate... As you like to imply ;) :) keep it simple. I will try my best within my ability to answer.

Peace unto you.

Here you go two examples of repentance without blood :

9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Jonah 3: 9-10

the repentence of David

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O Lord, open my lips, That my mouth may declare Your praise.

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For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it; You are not pleased with burnt offering.

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The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise

Psalms 51: 15-17