Can God Become A Man

[pandora]

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As a Muslim i 'can ' t deny that the Torah is the Word of God [ Allah ]
i also think that this book was falsified by human hands
This fact is attested by the Torah itself !



Jeremiah 8 : 8
“‘How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the Lord,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?

You are once again misunderstanding the meaning of Jeremiah 8:8.. Which if you had read it in contest you would have possibly conclude that it does not mean that the Torah is in any way corrupted. I replied to this point some time ago ... I repeat it again and maybe you will see what it actually means and stop ripping Bible verses out of contest and hoping they will proof some erroneous point you make. This is never going to work and you are wasting your time if you think this kind of hatchet job by yourself is going to be taken seriously. You are right to believe the Torah is from God you are wrong to believe it has been falsified by human hands.. A claim.. (At the risk of boring myself at the repetitiveness of it all) you have no proof.


Jeremiah 8:8: Is the Bible corrupted?


Many Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and some refer to the following verse:


"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? (Jeremiah 8:8)


1. Wise men who are not so wise
"We are wise” is connected with educated people, the learned elite, who made their own explanation of the written Law of Moses instead of following the written Law of Moses in the book Deuteronomy. The wise people who are not so wise had therefore a false possession of their interpretation of the Law of Moses [1]. Jeremiah is addressing the priests and false prophets. He accused them many times that they were destroying the country with their actions (Jeremiah 2:8, 26; Jeremiah 4:9; Jeremiah 5:31; Jeremiah 8:10).


2. False interpretation of the Scriptures
"The lying pen of the scribes" refers to the writers who tried to describe the Law of Moses in international acceptable wisdom. In fact the scribes tried to change the faith in the Most High into a human tradition [2]. “Scribes” is in Hebrew Soferim, it are all those who practiced the art of writing. They are therefore, if not all, of the priests and false prophets of whom Jeremiah speaks. The interpreters of the Scriptures called scribes have, by their false comments and inferences, made the Scriptures, including the Law of Moses into a lie, so that it has ceased to represent the divine will and teaching [3].
Next verse, Jeremiah 8:9 shows that the wise men will be very ashamed.
The contrast is between the written and oral Law of Moses. The oral explanation of the Law of Moses was done by scribes and educated and intelligent men, who changed the written Law of Moses according to the book Deuteronomy. Jeremiah attacks the false wisdom [4].


3. Conclusion
After a review of the Gospel verse the conclusion can be drawn that Jeremiah 8:8 does not say that the Bible was corrupted, but that false written commentaries were distributed about the Scriptures. The prophet Jeremiah warned not to follow false teachings.


http://www.ibnzura.com/answer.php?la...ble_corrupted?

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a problem ????
not at all !
I'm not embarrassed to say :
Yes, there are Some non-arabic words in the holy Qur'an .
These words were introduced to the Arabic language before Islam and become a purely arabic one.
the proof is the presence of some non-Arabic words in the Pre-Islamic Poetry .
I think now the view is clear .

Amazing.. :) :) here you are putting words in my mouth.. Read my post.. I replied to a subject you yourself introduced by misinterpreting my post... That of non Arabic words in the Quran, I said " ****.This may be an issue for some.. ****" it is NOT an issue for me. So you don't need to clarify something I did not ask about. My post was to do with words not having English equivalents therefore a different word with the same meaning being used.. Which does not effect the message any. This is not just so of Arabic but many languages.

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and the problem is ????
maybe you don't know that it is not permissible to pray with the holy Qur'an's Translations !

No problem for me.. I did not know it's not permissible to pray with translations. That surely must put non Arabic speaking muslims at a disadvantage when it comes to Allah hearing their prayers. How can they pray in a language they do not understand? Maybe it is possible to learn prayers parrot fashion but without full understanding of the worshipper.. Does that make sense? Why would Allah restrict prayers to Arabic language?

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first, You can not deny the fact that the Bible is a real message from God .
God tells you through the Torah ' s text you must do this and You must avoid this !
Even if you told me that Jesus him self is the message i'll respond you :
the presumed message Jesus him self was changed !

what are you saying here???? The Word of God is changed!!!!! May God forgive you. :(

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Yahweh changed his name to Jesus although the presumed message said in Malachi 3 : 6

For I am the Lord, I change not.

Sorry.. I don't understand your point here? YHWH is YHWH... Unchanging.

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Are you sure ????
Mount Ebal & Mount Gerizim are different paleces in Deut 11:29
but in Deut 27 : 4 they are the same !

here is the samaritan Eng translation :



below the NIV translation :

How so? Again, sorry I do not see your point.

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the original writings (autographs) were lost .
they are not in the possession of any person or organization !

What proof do you have the originals were lost rather than decayed with age and being exposed to the elements? You are missing the point.. The copies had to made from the original autographs at some point.. Therefore at that point they were NOT lost.

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the manuscripts do not agree with each other.
here is the problem !

This is starting to get repetitive.. It's only your problem. Because evidence shows that any minor differences there may be between manuscripts DO NOT in any way change the message.

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may be you don't know that the holy Qur'an is Protected & preserved in hearts not in paper or something similar !
the holy book was transferred to us through narration chains -Attawator- .
i think we will not find any chirstian person who memorize the bible from Genesis to Revelation !

Maybe you do not know that God wrote His law and preserved it upon our hearts before Islam came into being.. We have a covenant promise of this fact..

I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jeremiah 31:33-34

lol... Have you any idea of the sheer scale and size of the Bible compared with the Quran? The Quran is smaller than the New Testament! There are Christians who memorise large parts of the Bible.. My grandmother was one such, however this was not a requirement of faith but something that happened as she read it so much and was blessed with an amazing memory... It gave her great peace and pleasure to do so. Besides memorising something is no proof of its divine nature.. If an actor memorises the works of Shakespeare does that imply Shakespeare's work is in any way divine? No of course not. So memorising something has little value as proof of anything much except that the person doing the memorising is blessed with a good memory.

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really , i don't know why -Sometimes - Christians deny the OT ???



peace with you .

What a statement ... :) what part of the Old Testament do you think we deny? How can we deny something we accept as a work of God?

Peace with you also