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Dear Sir, what makes you believe Adam was simply forgiven? The Bible tells us the "wages of sin is death" .. That means this the first and awful sin of disobedience against God, the consequence of sin upon mankind is death. Do you deny people die? That we are allotted a life span on earth then we die? The other punishments against Adam and Eve are also still applicable to mankind today. If Adam was forgiven as you say why did God not allow Adam and Eve back into the garden where they were always meant to be? Why were they banished to live a life of hardship and toil on earth?

Also so you need to understand that the term death.. More importantly spiritual death, which my friend is far more serious than any physical death on earth we suffer. Spiritual death is separation from God for eternity, this is worse than all the punishments that may await you in Hell.

Also so you need to understand that we do NOT inherit sin.. Our sins are our own and made by our choices and only we can answer for those sins we commit in our lifetime. We inherit a sin nature, that is the ability to commit sin.. The proof of this is if it were not so we would all be perfect and sin would not exist in man at all.

Do you believe we think Jesus was punished for our sins? This is not so at all.. The punishment we deserve will be upon our shoulders. Jesus was the ordained sacrifice for us so we could be made pure before a Holy God. Without the atoning work of Jesus you cannot stand before a Holy God and be repentant.

IMHO.. Your simplistic view of sin puts muslims at a disadvantage. You have chosen to believe that your good deeds will count for something at the end of days, I ask you what need has Allah for your good deeds? How are you sure your deeds can ever be enough?

Peace to you.
Ok Mrs. Pandora, what makes me believe Adam was forgiven: i was say Allah is forgiving.For why Allah removed Adam from paradise: because Allah was say to Adam he shouldn't eat from that tree (you know), so if he remain in paradise forever probably demon tempt him to eat again from that tree, and also: from Allah forgiven to Adam Allah removed he from paradise, and also: Allah said before he created Adam to Angels: "I'll make successor in the ground", so Allah created Adam to live he and his sons and wife in the ground, so Allah would to Adam do that sin.
In the contrary, why Allah created the ground?!
For death: we Muslims believe that, and we don't fear from it but if we relationship with Allah is bad, so we do good works then we believe we will enter paradise.
For spiritual death, it was just as not-Muslims, because Muslims just believe to Allah, but others call to he and to others, for example: christians call to Allah and to Jesus, and jews call to Allah and to moses, worshipers call to Allah and to them idols, but all those is really false, because if there was another god, so they will fighting to what they will doing, then creatures will spoil!
For the hell, are you thought Muslims will enter the hell?! give me reason!
Now: you was said to me: "Also so you need to understand that we do NOT inherit sin", this agrees my say! i was say to you: How Adam's sin was inherit to his sons? it's impossible!
You said: "Do you believe we think Jesus was punished for our sins?", this reverse other christians say.
Ok, if your said is true, so what i'll do for Allah forgive my sin? or Allah really will punish me for that sin?! this is impossible!
For your question: "what need has Allah for your good deeds?"; Allah is not need we deeds never, if we did bad thing, we will not hurt Allah in any thing, if we did good thing, we will not profit Allah in anything, but we deeds are for us, if we good deeds more than bad deeds, we will enter paradise, on the contrary, we will enter the hell.
For your questions: "How are you sure your deeds can ever be enough?", i don't sure my deeds can ever be enough, but i do good works too much to Allah to forgive my sins, and Allah don't forget my good works, so he will enter us into paradise by his mercy, because he love Muslims more than they love to him.
For: "Peace to you", you are first christian i saw use it, but Muslims use "peace to you" Always, so Muslims loves each other more than christians!