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Quote Originally Posted by شمائل View Post
You seem to read about Islam, from Christian sources

You said that some monks distorted the Bible, and that the originals are missing

So you prove that the Koran is true accuse Jews and Christians distortive







Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, ** among the Jews.. Implying that only some but not all Jews were guilty of distorting words from there proper usage** "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. ** they listen to the words.. So the true account is still available.. But they twist the words to their own agenda .. With their TONGUES.. Which is important I think because it would appear then that they change the words by speech as opposed to what is written and by doing so defame their religion..** And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand],". ** we hear and obey... They KNOW the written word and the believe it.. But they wish to understand it and interpret it in their own way..** it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few. ** it would have been better for them to be true to the written word.. And God knows their deed and is angry about it.. But not angry with ALL.. Angry with those who spoke the words differently to how it was written. **



As I read these words literally I see a different meaning than you seem to. You see to take these words as a proof that the whole of the Torah was corrupted on the basis of this. Or at least wide scale corruption enough to invalidate it as a means for interpreting Gods message.. Thus giving the need for the Quran. To clarify things. Although I'm not sure what in fact the Quran clarifies from the Torah. Maybe you could point them out. Allow me please to insert what I see in these words above.. Between the lines as it were. I have marked my words between ** ** I would have liked to change font colour but that is not so easy on the device I use. I hope you can make sense of where I have inserted my comments and understand why I do not arrive at the same meaning you do on this verse.

Peace.