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I 'll concede that Islam states the Bible is corrupted even though it has no proof when, where, how and who benefited from such an untruth.
Again , this is a different subject . I stated our belief in Islam .
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If it is corrupted, then so is the Quran especially when Islam says Allah's word is unalterable;
It doesn't say it this way in Islam . You seem to have a misconception here - no surprise really ! - about altering the word of Allah . There is a tablet called "Allaoh Al-Mahfuz" , everything is recorded in it about everything that happens until the judgement day . THAT is the one which doesn't change or is altered . But people CAN misinterpret or alter the message they get . We see it all the time . I saw missionaries inventing signs from the top of their heads to support their agendas . Does that mean the word of Allah was altered in the meaning you address ? No . Allah knew that they will make this attempt and it's recorded . Nothing changed about the knowledge of Allah . When it comes to the Jews and Christians and any other people , their books were revealed for them and their time only - an Islamic belief - and thus they were entrusted to preserve them and they failed . Quran however is for all people and time , and thus Allah said he will preserve it . That's our belief in Islam . It is non of your concern .
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I see Islam as a religion that is a reaction to its misconceptions of Christianity, and it begins with your god and his slave who tells us not to say three, but he doesn't know who the three are that we are not to say from what can be inferred logically from the Quran.
Once again , you are enforced by your DNA to spam slanders after slanders . That's indeed a serious disease . as for this new one about the worship of Mary peace upon her , did the sign address you ? Did it say that Catholic , Protestant , or any other group in Christianity is the one that worshiped her ? It states that there are ones who did . And unless you prove that there aren't , you should remain silent . Then again , here's a topic about the subject , most of it is Arabic but there are sources in English :
http://www.elforkan.com/7ewar/showth...AD%D9%88%D9%84
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No Christian on this forum has coward and you know it.
Well YOU are the coward I'm talking about . You clearly ignore every source I provide and go on with your allegations .
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I looked at your source. Can you tell me why Uthman didn't use memory to recompile the Quran, and why was the support text (Hafsah's copy) he used destroyed, and please while you're at it tell me who gave the non prophet Uthman the divine mandate to put the Quran to writing much less edit it; IOW, how does one get write out of say or recite???
"Sigh"
I'll make it short since you're so desperate . Uthman may Allah be pleased of him saw some people differing in reading Quran after many numbers of non Arabians embraced Islam . And some people would write their own explanations as foot notes and such in the scriptures and papers they write Quran on . That , along with other things made him take the move of stopping a problem from rising . He wrote Quran in one piece wiht the approval of all the memorizers and companions which are the exact and same as the ones written during the time of the prophet peace upon him . Then he burnt the different writings which were not the original in the first place to avoid any differing from the original scripture . After that , he made copies of it and sent it to different places around the Islamic world . And thus , he united Muslims on one reading and avoided mistakes . That's your first lie . And the second is the one of claiming he "edited" it . And so far , you failed each single time to bring ONE source of your ignorant claims .
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Tell me, who made it appear that Jesus died?
Tell me who made a religion of it without ANY revelation of Allah . I rest my case .
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Why would Christians go around bearing witness to a lie at the peril of their lives and why would Allah wait hundreds of years later to set the record straight with the Quran if it were contrived? Logic and reason fails here, but you are willing to believe it. I cannot.
Since I'm not so sure , I'll ask the people of the knowledge . But it's hilarious how you answer it yourself in the NEXT quote !
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God let him win to accomplish His will and purposes.
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Again , this is a different subject . I stated our belief in Islam .!
It is all on the same topic. I am praying that God gives me wisdom to speak the truth in love without being unnecessarily offensive in Jesus name. I admit that Christianity or the gospel is an offensive message to many. Jesus is a stumbling block first to the Jew and many others. Jesus said, "You will die in your sin unless you believe I am He... and no one comes to the father except through me" I believe Jesus is the I am as He states He is; therefore, I will not die in my sin. I want the same for others, and I will live or die trying to reach people with this message has did those who went before me. If you think me a coward, you are entitled to your opinion. Let God judge between us.
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It doesn't say it this way in Islam . You seem to have a misconception here - no surprise really ! - about altering the word of Allah . !
It doesn't say it to you, but it does to me.
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Once again , you are enforced by your DNA to spam slanders after slanders . That's indeed a serious disease . as for this new one about the worship of Mary peace upon her , did the sign address you ? Did it say that Catholic , Protestant , or any other group in Christianity is the one that worshiped her ? It states that there are ones who did . And unless you prove that there aren't , you should remain silent . Then again , here's a topic about the subject , most of it is Arabic but there are sources in English :!
This comment of yours wasn't necessary. It shows me you are grasping at straws. I wasn't talking about some remote group of people who worshipped Mary. Don't twist the topic in your desperation. It is about those who called Mary God? Not even the Catholics called her God. If someone believes in the trinity, and they call Mary God, I child can infer she must be part of the three that Allah said to desist from saying; therefore, you are, IMHO, stuck with this blatant discrepancy to explain. Why don't you admit the truth? You cannot hide being obtuse about it.
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"Sigh"
I'll make it short since you're so desperate . Uthman may Allah be pleased of him saw some people differing in reading Quran after many numbers of non Arabians embraced Islam . And some people would write their own explanations as foot notes and such in the scriptures and papers they write Quran on . That , along with other things made him take the move of stopping a problem from rising . He wrote Quran in one piece wiht the approval of all the memorizers and companions which are the exact and same as the ones written during the time of the prophet peace upon him . Then he burnt the different writings which were not the original in the first place to avoid any differing from the original scripture . After that , he made copies of it and sent it to different places around the Islamic world . And thus , he united Muslims on one reading and avoided mistakes . That's your first lie . And the second is the one of claiming he "edited" it . And so far , you failed each single time to bring ONE source of your ignorant claims .!
Can you prove that what Uthman did to the Quran passed the approval of those who memorized it? I thought those that memorized the Quran were killed in the battle of Yamane? Why was Hafsh's copy destroyed since Uthman used it and not memory to recompile what Muslims claim is "Perfectly preserved?" I notice you give knee jerk responses to my comments, and you don't answer most of my questions.
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Tell me who made a religion of it without ANY revelation of Allah . I rest my case .!
My God and our Creator did. I rest my case!
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Since I'm not so sure , I'll ask the people of the knowledge . But it's hilarious how you answer it yourself in the NEXT quote !
If I answered it for you, you don't need to ask the people of knowledge. What's hilarious about it? That sounds like a nervous laugh to me.
Blessing and peace be unto you brother of humanity and may you come to the knowledge of truth.
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