Why don't Muslsims believe Jesus is the only way to God?

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If that is the case, my apologies for not understanding forum policy, and members should be told the policy and not be kept in the dark, IMO.

Fair enough .

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Then let me speak with someone with knowledge, LOL.

Go ahead . It's not a shame to admit one isn't knowledgable . True shame is in acting like you're one while you're far from it .

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Maybe so, but not as bad as your misconceptions are about Christians and Christianity.

And do you see me telling you "Christianity doesn't mean Christ died for your sins" ?! Do you see now why it's frustrating .

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I said nothing of this sought. I said if Allah couldn't or wouldn't preserve the Scripture that came before, why would he do it with the Scripture that came after?

For the gazillion time , because Allah said he will . But since you don't know the slightest about Quran , here :

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15:9 Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian.

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Is man's power to corrupt God's message greater than God's power to preserve it?

Now that's a sneaky way to say it which isn't the single bit close to the teachings of Islam . If you say things this way , you should also say "Is man's power to do evil deeds greater than God's power to stop it ?" . Allah tested the people of the book and they failed . That doesn't mean in any way that Allah - exalted he is - couldn't preserve his books .

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If Allah's word is unalterable as stated in Islam, how is it possible someone could alter his true word that came before the Quran?

Another sneaky way to say it . Do you have an idea what the preserved tablet is ? All the events of the universe are written in it and nothing changes of them . That includes the knowledge of Allah that the Jews and Christians will corrput their books .

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Yes, I am ignorant of Arabic, but I can make inferences; besides, the verse you quoted is not the one I am referring to from the Quran. It is the verse were the unbelievers were scheming, plotting, and planning which implies they are using deception; then it states but Allah is the best of what they were doing which was deceiving. How is it you are not able to make this simple connection?

Which is why I keep saying you lack most basic knowledge of what you hate so much . These are all the signs about planning :

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27:50 And they planned a plan, and We planned a plan, while they perceived not.
3:54 And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.
7:99 Then did they feel secure from the plan of Allah ? But no one feels secure from the plan of Allah except the losing people.
8:30 And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.
13:42 And those before them had plotted, but to Allah belongs the plan entirely. He knows what every soul earns, and the disbelievers will know for whom is the final home.
14:46 And they had planned their plan, but with Allah is [recorded] their plan, even if their plan had been [sufficient] to do away with the mountains.

And your objection is ? You did say you don't understand a thing in Arabic so simply put , shut up . I'm telling something as simple as 1,2,3 ! Planning can be for good or bad when it comes to people . But Allah only plans for the good . On the other hand - and I just googled the numbers - what you falsely allegate to Islam exists times more in your Bible !

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Ezk14:9 If the prophet be deceived and speak a word, I, Yahweh, have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand on him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
2Thes2:11 Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie;

And other ones !

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Besides, why would Abu Bakr say: I wouldn't trust the "Makr" of Allah if I had one foot in paradise and one on earth" if it is a good thing as you say?

You seriously don't know the difference between your elbow and metatarsus ! This narration doesn't exist . And I just found this out with a quick Google search ! You on the other hand take slanders and lies and absorb them like a sponge !

http://fatwa.islamweb.net/fatwa/inde...waId&Id=205093

Still , if true , the meaning is to not be so sure about your belief and act like "I will never go astray" . That's arrogance . One should always ask Allah to keep him on the true path .

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I didn't say Islam today doesn't say the Bible is corrupted; I said Muhammad never criticized the text; he criticized people and the same with his god. Only modern day Muslim have the audacity to say the Scripture that came before is corrupted,

I honestly did what I'm obliged to do and answered your allegations , so I won't keep going with this madness !

Here's an advice : Drop this massive arrogance of yours and learn about Islam from its scholars and not your church or whatever the source of your ridiculous misconceptions is ! You don't have the slightest idea about the doctrine of Muslims in probably anything ! Everytime you write something , you show serious ignorance !

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and what I said is not spamming slander after slander as you are attempting to do to Christians on the forum.

Yes it is ! The subject was "Does Islam say the Bible is corrupted ?" and you spammed slanders about "How was it corrupted ?" , about Allah , about Quran , and so on ! What does all that have with the current discussion ?!

Well honestly , that's it . I won't waste hours trying to prove to someone that blue is blue and red is red !

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Go ahead . It's not a shame to admit one isn't knowledgable . True shame is in acting like you're one while you're far from it .

Go ahead? go ahead and what? I never said its a shame to be ignorant. Ignorance has a cure, but willful ignorance is another matter.

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And do you see me telling you "Christianity doesn't mean Christ died for your sins" ?! Do you see now why it's frustrating .

No, but I see you not showing respect for the most important part of our faith and yet you expect us to show respect for yours. I don't understand what you mean by frustrating regarding the death of Christ and my believing it. I know Muslims believe Muhammad is a slave messenger of Allah and a prophet of Islam, and I respect that they believe that. I don't see, however, how he is a messenger when he didn't hear directly from God once, but that is another issue, but I respect you believe it, and I don't take or try to take it from you.

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For the gazillion time , because Allah said he will . But since you don't know the slightest about Quran , here :

?Because we will be its guardians?" This, I can't tell you how contrived that sounds. Where is the spiritual sense to this or the prove for it? Uthman burning the original Qurans and using the help of text from Hafsah's copy and then destroying her copy fails to show me guardianship. Sorry, I fail to see it, and I call it the way I do see it, especially when the message he guards is against God's previous message or Scripture.

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Now that's a sneaky way to say it which isn't the single bit close to the teachings of Islam . If you say things this way , you should also say "Is man's power to do evil deeds greater than God's power to stop it ?" . Allah tested the people of the book and they failed . That doesn't mean in any way that Allah - exalted he is - couldn't preserve his books .

You are being sneaky. I never said it is the teaching of Islam. I am asking a question is all. God said before Muhammad was born that His word is established forever and you expect me to believe that only part of his guarded word is in the Quran. You have to be joking right? Your analogy fails. God allows us free will in His sovereignty,and yes, He can and will put an end to the evil deeds of men in His time. What man does and what God does are as high as the heavens are from the earth and His thoughts from our thoughts. Your example fails miserably here.

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Another sneaky way to say it . Do you have an idea what the preserved tablet is ? All the events of the universe are written in it and nothing changes of them . That includes the knowledge of Allah that the Jews and Christians will corrput their books .

Where is the prove they will corrupt their books? This is a sneaky and misleading thing to say and sounds contrived to support the Quran. When you have to cut down that God's previous Scriptures were corrupted by man to support Islam or the Quran red flags go up all over a true Christians mind and heart. Apparently, we guard our hearts, better that the god of Islam guards his word in the torah and gospel. But my Creator guards the central gospel message that Allah's "Planning" brought about. For instance, Allah's making something to appear to be true that wasn't caused this chasm between Islam, Judaism and Christianity and you prefer to call that Allah's planning; okay, call it planning instead of deception. I am fine with it.

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Which is why I keep saying you lack most basic knowledge of what you hate so much . These are all the signs about planning :

Planning can be evil too. That makes planning deception friend. Yes, God sends a strong delusion to those who refuse the knowledge of truth, but he doesn't lead people who want the truth to believe Jesus died and put someone else on the cross to save Him. Imagine that, instead of Jesus dying for our sin to save us like the Scriptures say someone dies to save Jesus. That is a joke that you are willing to believe but not me.

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And your objection is ? You did say you don't understand a thing in Arabic so simply put , shut up . I'm telling something as simple as 1,2,3 ! Planning can be for good or bad when it comes to people . But Allah only plans for the good . On the other hand - and I just googled the numbers - what you falsely allegate to Islam exists times more in your Bible !

Shut up? That's rude to say. One of your greatest apologist Deedat didn't know Arabic and someone cut him down for it, but Deedat shut him up good. A Muslim posted that video on this forum. You don't have to know a language to know what is true. Since when do I have to know how to read or write Arabic to understand Islam; not even your prophet could do it and you tell me to shut up??? pfft.

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You seriously don't know the difference between your elbow and metatarsus ! This narration doesn't exist . And I just found this out with a quick Google search ! You on the other hand take slanders and lies and absorb them like a sponge !

This is another necessary rude comment. If Abu Bakr didn't say he didn't trust the Makr of Allah as you say, I will check my sources. I am not interested in knowing what is not true about Islam. I have better things to do with my time.

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Still , if true , the meaning is to not be so sure about your belief and act like "I will never go astray" . That's arrogance . One should always ask Allah to keep him on the true path .

There is no arrogance in faith. It is written, the just shall live by faith. My boast in being sure is not ignorance, because it is not boasting in me; it is me boasting in Christ!

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I honestly did what I'm obliged to do and answered your allegations , so I won't keep going with this madness !

Yes, you did answer with madness, and please feel free not to continue the madness as you suit yourself.

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Here's an advice : Drop this massive arrogance of yours and learn about Islam from its scholars and not your church or whatever the source of your ridiculous misconceptions is ! You don't have the slightest idea about the doctrine of Muslims in probably anything ! Everytime you write something , you show serious ignorance !

I am learning about Islam from Muslims. Your post here comes across as rude and condescending. You can tell more about a person from what he says about others than what others say about him. I recommend you take a social skills course. My spiritual advice to you is get wisdom and knowledge that comes from God ask Him for it, but call out to the God of Abraham to reveal himself to you. I don't believe you are praying to your Creator as you are dong now.

Peace be unto you


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Yes it is ! The subject was "Does Islam say the Bible is corrupted ?" and you spammed slanders about "How was it corrupted ?" , about Allah , about Quran , and so on ! What does all that have with the current discussion ?!

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Well honestly , that's it . I won't waste hours trying to prove to someone that blue is blue and red is red !