I'm not offended, you are entitled to your opinion as I am to disagree with it. :) just as you are entitled to believe the current Bible is not the same in content as the Bible that was available in Mohammed's day. Even though you cannot offer conclusive proof of such claims. Remember your proof has to be to the standard of those who hold to the Bibles truth.. Not what passes as proof for reassurance of your fellow muslims.... No offence. I was told there was real proof to be seen.. But as yet no one has seen fit to produce it.. It's not enough to say on the basis of a few ambiguous suras from the Quran that this corruption on such a massive scale ever happened. My questions were... (In case you're the one with the answers) who corrupted the scriptures? When did this happen? And why it was thought necessary to corrupt them at all?QuoteOriginally Posted by نصير الدين
None of the Suras above are an indictment on all, but "some". In fact.. the context seems to be dealing with those who live near Mohammad and who he came into contact with. So, their misinterpretation or reinterpretation of the scriptures caused them to create lies and make deceit for a price.. Maybe for their own agenda. This couldn't happen if they didn't have the uncorrupted text by which to misinterpret or reinterpret in the first place.. There is nothing to suppose that the original uncorrupted text is still in the hands of the Jews who valued and protected it as the word of God. Seeing as the words of God cannot be changed why would you make the charge against God that God in fact cannot protect His word and would allow it to be changed by His creation? If you cannot trust that God could keep His word safe in the Bible then how can you trust God will keep His word for the Quran. IMHO this does not support a charge of whole scale corruption. If Mohammed judged by the Torah to the Jews of his time.. Why would he have done this if he knew the Torah was corrupted. Because if one believes that just one small part is corrupted... And without definitive proof what exactly was changed then there is no option other than to discard the whole work. Without proof you cannot know what was changed by whom and for why.Quote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3:71 O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?
3:187 And [mention, O Muhammad], when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture, [saying], "You must make it clear to the people and not conceal it." But they threw it away behind their backs and exchanged it for a small price. And wretched is that which they purchased.
2:79 So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
Bukhari , Book of witnesses , Chapter: Al-Mushrikun should not be asked to give witness :
Ibn `Abbas said, "O Muslims? How do you ask the people of the Scriptures, though your Book (i.e. the Qur'an) which was revealed to His Prophet is the most recent information from Allah and you recite it, the Book that has not been distorted? Allah has revealed to you that the people of the scriptures have changed with their own hands what was revealed to them and they have said (as regards their changed Scriptures): This is from Allah, in order to get some worldly benefit thereby." Ibn `Abbas added: "Isn't the knowledge revealed to you sufficient to prevent you from asking them? By Allah I have never seen any one of them asking (Muslims) about what has been revealed to you."
I don't believe your prophet Mohammed ever did believe in the wide scale biblical corruption that muslims today make such a big deal about. I can see why you have to attempt to prove the Bible to be in error.. But can't say I approve of such underhanded efforts. Luckily my approval counts for naught.. And I'm happy in the knowledge that all judgement comes from on high and at that time we all answer for our actions.
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http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t199326.html
Well.. You assume I can't read Arabic ;) however, such articles are hardly proof except as validation for yourselves. There are errors and contradictions in the Quran if it claims to follow from the previous scriptures..BUT it does not bother me any.. It is your book which you hold in the same esteem as I do the Bible. I have no wish to cast aspersions upon it. My aim is simply to dispel myths, misconceptions and misunderstanding that exist about the Bible, Jesus and Christianity. When I see the Gospel of Jesus badly dealt with it's beholden on myself to attempt to set the record straight. It does not impact upon my person any weather you choose to see my point of view or ignore it. :)QuoteAnd if you could read Arabic , you'd find out that the forum is full of those articles ! Also , when I believe through evidence that Quran is the word of Allah which was not altered , I believe in whatever it says afterword because it can't be wrong or contradicting . And no , if you bring a number of slanders they will eithr be outright lies or misconceptions .
No, go I have no issues with communication... Do you? Just for your information.. The Bible is not the true word of Allah it is the inspired word of YHWH.. God of the Bible and all the Prophets... And Jesus is the Truth, the Way and the Life.QuoteSeriously , do you have issues with communication ? For the 49064059 time , we DON'T believe what your Bible says . You want to force us to take it for given that it is the true word of Allah not altered in any way . And when we say it's not , it goes through an ear and out of the other !
May God bless and guide you.
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