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This is how deep your deception appears to be. I see you deceiving yourself and Allah using deception and admitting he is the best of deceivers and proving he is by making something appear to be true that was not true. What kind of plan do you call that? Making things appear to be what they are is not the work of my God and Savior; it is the work of my adversary who goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he might devour.
First of all, read this
http://www.answering-christianity.co..._deceivers.htm
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1- What does the Glorious Quran Say?Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:
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[TD="width: 39%, bgcolor: #EAF4FF"]Pickthall:[008:030] And when those who disbelieve plot against thee (O Muhammad) to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah (also) plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters.
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8:30 واذ يمكر بك الذين كفروا ليثبتوك او يقتلوك او يخرجوك ويمكرون ويمكر الله والله خير الماكرين[/TD]
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There are few important points to notice here:
1- The disbelievers and the evil ones plotted against Islam.
2- Allah Almighty plotted on the disbelievers' plots, and turned their plots on their heads.
3- Allah Almighty is the best of plotters.
So does this mean that Allah Almighty is the Best or Greatest of all deceivers? The answer is a qualified yes. Allah Almighty does not plot against Good. Allah Almighty plots only against evil. Therefore, Allah Almighty plots against and deceives the enemies of Allah Almighty. This is further supported in the following Noble Verses:
"We have always sent messengers who were proficient in the language of their people, so they could explain the matter clearly. Allah guides or leads astray whomever He pleases. He is the most Powerful, the Wisest! (The Noble Quran, 14:4)"
"Had Allah wished, He would have created you all as a single nation. But He guides or leads astray whomever He pleases. And you would very definitely be interrogated regarding everything you used to do! (The Noble Quran, 16:93)"
So the statement that the Islam haters usually utter, "the GOD of Islam is the greatest of all deceivers", is false, because Allah Almighty doesn't deceive the Good Believers. Allah Almighty only deceives the enemies of Allah Almighty:
If Allah Almighty also plots against good, then the Islam haters' statement would be true.
But since Allah Almighty does not plot against Good, then the Islam haters' general statement is false. It is only true on them, and not on what is Good.
So yes indeed. Allah Almighty is the Best one to deceive and misguide the doomed-to-Hell disbelievers.
This is similar to describing God as Jealous in both the Bible and Islam
Deutronomy 6:15
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for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.
Describing someone as jealous may be a bad description, but when we describe God as jealous, this description if understood in the proper way is not a bad description
Regarding the crucifiction of Jesus Pbuh, yes we believe that God deceived those who wanted to crucify him
The jews want to kill one of the messengers and prophets of God, one of his followers deceived him and told the jews and romans about his place
What a lot of muslims believe - and this may be true however we are not sure that this is 100% true - is that God made Judah look like Jesus Pbuh and the romans took him and crucified him and in this way Jesus Pbuh was saved
What's the problem in this?
Judah betrayed Jesus Pbuh and tried to help his enemies crucify him, God saved his messenger Jesus Pbuh and caused the one who betrayed him to be crucified
what's your objection ?
Last edited by 3abd Arahman; 05-06-2014 at 09:04 AM.
( يا أيها الناس اتقوا ربكم الذي خلقكم من نفس واحدة )
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