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What do you want to tell me by this? Do you want to tell me that Matthew was just trying to find any sentence in the OT and consider it a prophecy about Jesus Pbuh? Yes, I know this and I surely agree with you.
Do you want to tell me that Matthew was not inspired by God while writing his gospel and that he was doing errors while writing it ? I agree with you.
Do you want to tell me that Matthew's gospel is a man-made book like many other books in the Bible? I agree.
I am trying to tell you that the only place the virgin birth story of Jesus is found hundreds of years before Muhammad"s birth and the birth of his Quran is in the NT Bible. I am trying to say that what you think about Matthew is true of Muhammad and not the first book of the NT Bible.


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The point is that the virgin birth of Jesus Pbuh is a true story. Luke said in the beginning of his gospel that he has been making effort to know the true things about the story of the Christ to write them to Theophilus. One of the things that he's been able to know is the virgin birth story, because it is a true story. The same story has been told to us by God in the holy Quran.
I know that it is a true story but I didn't need Muhammad to tell me what was already in print before his time nor did I need him to tell me what the Jews and Christians already know about God being one. What did Muhammad bring new or that we Christians need; it certainly appears that he has been bringing to Christianity but taking from it and adding things to the story.
Since you like quoting Luke why don't you believe the reason for Jesus virgin birth that seems to be missing from the Quran. Muslims say Jesus only came for the Jews but look at this prophecy over His birth in Luke 2: for my eyes have seen your salvation 31. that you have prepared in the presence of all peoples, 32. a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
and for glory to your people Israel.”
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Islam, Prophet Muhammad Pbuh and the holy Quran have nothing to do with the prophecy in Isaiah which occured at the time of king Ahaz and which the writer of Matthew's gospel claimed that it is a prophecy about the Christ.
It doesn't matter whether he learned the story from Matthew or Luke the point is the story came from the NT Bible which Muslims consider corrupted. When someone is working on their Master's doing their thesis, and I are confronted with plagiarizing, because the idea and work in their paper was in print and published before they turned it in as their own work, will the school faculty accept that and let the student graduate? I think not. Yet you tell me I am ridiculous and look not to your own rationale.

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Anyway, if you insist that just because the story of virgin birth is mentioned in the gospel, this means that prophet Muhammad Pbuh must have taken it from the Bible, which I see is a completely ridiculous and wrong conclusion, but if you insist on this, then what about the virgin birth stories before christianity?
Read about them here
We are speaking about the virgin birth of Jesus and no one else. It appears you are grasping at straws bringing irrelevant information to the topic of our discussion. I see Muhammad's Quran as contrived. It states if you doubt the Quran produce a surah like it; well, had Muhammad documented a verse in the Quran like this "To the unbelievers we have made it appear that Isa was virgin born, but surely he was born out of wedlock; nevertheless, we made him a prophet to the adulterous house of Israel" he would have gotten a lot more mileage, because if Jesus wasn't born of a virgin, then his death and resurrection would be insignificant. His virgin birth made it so he didn't inherit a sinful nature from Adam. If there is No virgin birth, there is no Christianity, IMHO, Muhammad contrived a convoluted story where he states in his Quran that Allah made it appear that Jesus died and let someone substitute in Jesus place. Think of that, hmmm, instead, of Jesus being the one to die in our place someone died for Jesus. This is so messy; had Muhammad said no virgin birth and Matthew was a liar; he would have put a bigger hurting on Christianity; but instead, he borrowed from Christianity.

Islam borrowed from us is what I want you to say and admit it, but you give me the impression that you'll say anything no matter how ridiculous or untrue to get me to see Islam is true. That, however, wouldn't surprise me since your god does the same by making things not true appear to be true. No matter how you twist or turn this it is all deception, but you won't call a spade a spade will you? Please don't call this emotion only. truth can be spoken with emotion. I am an emotional guy when it comes to Jesus Christ and spiritual life and death.

Peace an Blessing to you